Grusa Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I've always hated them both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, possum1931 said: If you are looking at musical, vocal harmonies and individual vocal ability, then The Byrds were far better than the Beatles and Stones put together. I saw Roger McGuinn in concert all by himself in a show in Glasgow. You could not pick any individual from the Beatles or Stones to perform alone like he did. The Byrds were copying the The Beatles, the Byrds would get a Dylan song which was in 3/4 time and turn it into a 4/4 time to make it more upbeat. But there is no doubt that Roger McGuinn was a superb guitarist, he was doing session work from a very early age. I saw him in Leeds at the Leeds City Variety Theatre where they used to record the Good Old Days, he was magnificent on his 12 string guitar. Edited April 16, 2020 by vogie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Grusa said: I've always hated them both. Hated one of the most influential and innovative bands of all time? Hmm, curious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkingOrders Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 A great band performs as a band and does so greatly. That is NOT the Beatles and never was. Great albums in studio with effects and orchestrations? Yes. Better songwriters? Perhaps. More imagination? Yes. Better band? Not a chance by any measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, WalkingOrders said: A great band performs as a band and does so greatly. That is NOT the Beatles and never was. Great albums in studio with effects and orchestrations? Yes. Better songwriters? Perhaps. More imagination? Yes. Better band? Not a chance by any measure. Better songwriters, perhaps? Don't think there's any perhaps about it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, giddyup said: Hated one of the most influential and innovative bands of all time? Hmm, curious. I thought it was two bands? Hitler was influential and innovative. Am I supposed to like him too? Edited April 16, 2020 by Grusa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, vogie said: The Byrds were copying the The Beatles, the Byrds would get a Dylan song which was in 3/4 time and turn it into a 4/4 time to make it more upbeat. But there is no doubt that Roger McGuinn was a superb guitarist, he was doing session work from a very early age. I saw him in Leeds at the Leeds City Variety Theatre where they used to record the Good Old Days, he was magnificent on his 12 string guitar. Excellent post, but I cannot see where the Byrds were copying The Beatles, their style and music was nothing like theirs, you may as well say that The Beatles were copying Buddy Holly and The Crickets. Although I liked Manfred Mann, The Byrds did Bob Dylan songs much better than they did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, giddyup said: Better songwriters, perhaps? Don't think there's any perhaps about it. Van Morrison Leonard Cohen much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Grusa said: I thought it was two bands? Hitler was influential and innovative. Am I supposed to like him too? AFAIK the Beatles or the Stones didn't commit genocide, so that a ridiculous comparison. It is two bands, but only one IMO were the great innovators. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, UbonThani said: Van Morrison Leonard Cohen much better Aren't we talking Stones and Beatles? Not to say that there aren't other great songwriters, but most of them have come after the Beatles and never had anything like the influence that the Beatles did on popular music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, giddyup said: Aren't we talking Stones and Beatles? Not to say that there aren't other great songwriters, but most of them have come after the Beatles and never had anything like the influence that the Beatles did on popular music. Blues came first. Beatles just catchy white folk junk really. Maybe 5 good songs and lots of junk. she loves me yeah etc what junk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, UbonThani said: Blues came first. Beatles just catchy white folk junk really. Maybe 5 good songs and lots of junk. she loves me yeah etc what junk Did they stop at those songs, or did they go on to make Sgt. Pepper, an album that sat the musical world on it's a*se? So 5 good songs? get real. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, giddyup said: AFAIK the Beatles or the Stones didn't commit genocide, so that a ridiculous comparison. It is two bands, but only one IMO were the great innovators. I felt like committing suicide when Ringo Starr sang. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, roo860 said: I felt like committing suicide when Ringo Starr sang. Up to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, giddyup said: Did they stop at those songs, or did they go on to make Sgt. Pepper, an album that sat the musical world on it's a*se? So 5 good songs? get real. Being real. Prefer blues and rock not poppy <deleted>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, UbonThani said: Being real. Prefer blues and rock not poppy <deleted>. You're talking preferences, not facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, UbonThani said: Being real. Prefer blues and rock not poppy <deleted>. You do realise this thread is not all about you, don't ya. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The Beatles icon John Lennon wrote some of the greatest songs in the history of music, but his ego definitely wasn’t too big to trash some of his best songs, and identify what he saw as his own shortcomings musically. Lennon sending huge money to a big name with a letter was revealed. He called “Good Morning, Good Morning” a “piece of garbage.” He said, “I never liked that sort of pop opera on the other side, I think it’s junk. It was just bits of song thrown together.” He called “Mean Mr. Mustard” a “piece of garbage” as well to Rolling Stone magazine. “None of the songs had anything to do with each other, no thread at all. Only the fact that we stuck them together.” He said he got the title for “Cry Baby Cry” from a commercial while watching television. “Another piece of rubbish,” John said shortly before his tragic death in 1980. http://www.alternativenation.net/john-lennon-called-the-beatles-hit-junk-death/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, vogie said: You do realise this thread is not all about you, don't ya. It's about opinions. You do realise that I hope. Even Lennon said they produced junk! 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, UbonThani said: It's about opinions. You do realise that I hope. Even Lennon said they produced junk! 555 No, he said that a few of of the songs were junk, and there's probably not a song writer alive who thinks that everything they wrote was gold. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, giddyup said: No, he said that a few of of the songs were junk, and there's probably not a song writer alive who thinks that everything they wrote was gold. He said a whole album was junk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giddyup Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, UbonThani said: He said a whole album was junk Well, I guess the rest of the world disagreed. You don't like them, I get that, music is an individual taste, like art in general, but the facts prove that they were one of the most influential and innovative bands of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 He hated 20 songs in another interview. More than a few! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UbonThani Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, giddyup said: Well, I guess the rest of the world disagreed. You don't like them, I get that, music is an individual taste, like art in general, but the facts prove that they were one of the most influential and innovative bands of all time. Yes along with 20 other bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys said that Paul M. reckoned ' Pet Sounds ' by The B Boys was the best album ever. Brian Wilson thought Sgt Peppers was the best album ever. One more band in to the mix. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, UbonThani said: He said a whole album was junk Have you got a link to that profound statement please? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phuketshrew Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, vogie said: whilst The Who knew how to kick a ball. People try to put us down, but we don't get fooled again ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Phuketshrew said: People try to put us down, but we don't get fooled again ???? Talking about my constipation, why don't you all f f f fade away.???????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, giddyup said: AFAIK the Beatles or the Stones didn't commit genocide, so that a ridiculous comparison. It is two bands, but only one IMO were the great innovators. Well they slaughtered a few good tunes........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneeyedJohn Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The stones music always got my juices flowing, especially in 1971 when Exile on Main street came out, i was doing crazy things in Amsterdam as a teenager, it was a wonderful time to be alive. 3 years later I managed to see them at Earls Court, London. Drugs, drink and beautiful girls watching the Rolling Stones can't get any better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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