Thai PM admits government can only afford single 5,000 baht subsidy payment

[ujayujay]

5000THB Scheme works exactly for one Month ...Shame on you. The expected disaster.  Big words without substance.  Who is responsible for this nonsense.  Where is a plan to help people who can no longer live from hand to mouth now?

Edited April 16, 2020 by ujayujay

[RichardColeman]

5 hours ago, z42 said:

The people won't forget this, no amount of hollow apologies and propaganda will quell this going forward.

No amount of complaining by the poor can win the next rigged election again either

[trainman34014]

What's the scrap value of an Aircraft Carrier; that might help ?

[Assurancetourix]

21 minutes ago, The Barmbeker said:

She is over at another thread, kissing the feet of her beloved Chinese!

POTY 2019 is making a lot of friends;
No other POTY previously had achieved this feat.  

[Almer]

8 hours ago, AlexRich said:

How would Thailand defend itself without the submarines?

If they let the Virus get hold that will be all the defence needed to deter would be invaders.

[brokenbone]

the problem is it is woefully insufficient data on every persons ability

to cope with a drop in income.

you seem to think the state can just conjure up wealth and distribute

to whomever ask for it, but that is not the case

[transam]

3 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

the problem is it is woefully insufficient data on every persons ability

to cope with a drop in income.

you seem to think the state can just conjure up wealth and distribute

to whomever ask for it, but that is not the case

No social security....?

[DrTuner]

And there's also the reason for not testing, which happens to be a prerequisite to controlled reopening. 

 

Usurpers have plundered the coffers.

[monkfish]

6 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

the problem is it is woefully insufficient data on every persons ability

to cope with a drop in income.

you seem to think the state can just conjure up wealth and distribute

to whomever ask for it, but that is not the case

and yet

Cash gifts okayed for government officials fighting Covid-19
http://www.nationthailand.com/news/30386099

and lets not forget

[brokenbone]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

No social security....?

it takes a nosy state many decades to catalog each and every persons income, wealth,

and tax it, part of the reason to tax is to get info in citizens.

this info can in times like this be used to reverse the cashflow to citizens,

and importantly target those in dire straits.

this is the nanny states back home that so many here denigrate,

but thailand have a very long way to go to apply fair taxes and nail everyone that doesnt

document their income / wealth, they are not up to snuff

to give fair support because they are not up to snuff taxing everyone fairly.

like it or not but bureaucracy is vital for cases like this

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by brokenbone

[transam]

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

it takes a nosy state many decades to catalog each and every persons income, wealth,

and tax it, part of the reason to tax is to get info in citizens.

this info can in times like this be used to reverse the cashflow to citizens,

and importantly target those in dire straits.

this is the nanny states back home that so many here denigrate,

but thailand have a very long way to go to apply fair taxes and nail everyone that doesnt

document their income / wealth, they are not up to snuff

to give fair support because they are not up to snuff taxing everyone fairly

 

They can spend cash on fast Chinese trains, or submarines etc, so what about backup for the populace....?

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, transam said:

They can spend cash on fast Chinese trains, or submarines etc, so what about backup for the populace....?

fast trains = infrastructure, and if there is one thing that developing nations should allocate

money for, it is infrastructure, it should be encouraged.

defense is a primal force, it invariably take no.1 priority for all species and civilizations,

live with it, and glance at US military spending in proportion for context

[The Barmbeker]

1 minute ago, brokenbone said:

fast trains = infrastructure, and if there is one thing that developing nations should allocate

money for, it is infrastructure, it should be encouraged.

defense is a primal force, it invariably take no.1 priority for all species and civilizations,

live with it, and glance at US military spending in proportion for context

I guess, the starving people should eat concrete and bullets then...right?!

 

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, The Barmbeker said:

I guess, the starving people should eat concrete and bullets then...right?!

 

or bats carrying viruses, right ?

[transam]

10 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

fast trains = infrastructure, and if there is one thing that developing nations should allocate

money for, it is infrastructure, it should be encouraged.

defense is a primal force, it invariably take no.1 priority for all species and civilizations,

live with it, and glance at US military spending in proportion for context

Who's going to use it.....? Most of LOS are poor folk..????

[monkfish]

13 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

fast trains = infrastructure, and if there is one thing that developing nations should allocate

money for, it is infrastructure, it should be encouraged.

defense is a primal force, it invariably take no.1 priority for all species and civilizations,

live with it, and glance at US military spending in proportion for context

There have to be priorities and at the moment Fast Trains and Submarines shouldn't be priority helping those without income should take priority.

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Who's going to use it.....? Most of LOS are poor folk..????

trains arent my favorite means by transportation either,

but they got the basic strategy right.

other areas are electric grid, and a better water system, sanitized,

better roads and drains for flood, well, lots of things goes into infrastructure

[transam]

2 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

trains arent my favorite means by transportation either,

but they got the basic strategy right.

other areas are electric grid, and a better water system, sanitized,

better roads and drains for flood, well, lots of things goes into infrastructure

Except in LOS taking care of those who need it....

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, monkfish said:

There have to be priorities and at the moment Fast Trains and Submarines shouldn't be priority helping those without income should take priority.

yes, and i dont expect any contracts to be signed for hardware until this crisis is well and duly over with. i also dont expect governments to break already signed agreements,

it reflect poorly on people and states backing out of a done deal,

not to mention there is clauses that will deal punishment for such a treasonous act

[brokenbone]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Except in LOS taking care of those who need it....

the absence of a true nanny state cataloging and taxing of its citizens

makes this very difficult for the thai bureaucracy to carry out,

there just isnt sufficient data, and to make things worse,

its also so corrupt that rich people can bribe state representatives

trying to measure up how much people can be taxed,

i know a rich thai personally that just told the officials to sod off

with tax request

Edited April 16, 2020 by brokenbone

[Trip Hop]

8 hours ago, Monomial said:

How about selling a submarine to pay for it then?

 

Everyone else in Thailand is being forced to sell assets to meet their obligations. You aren't special.

According to the G/F yesterday, he can’t sell the subs as he’s going to need them to take himself and the family to Europe when all this kicks off! ????????????

[Ramdas]

It’s quite sad really, lots of people need help right now,  surely they could at least help their own people for  another couple of months considering how rich this country is ! In the meantime, while this virus dwells in the country and beyond he is in Germany enjoying himself surrounded by his harem of babes, who’s better than him ?! Clearly can’t care less of his own people, how sad to say the least ☹️

[transam]

4 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

the absence of a true nanny state cataloging and taxing of its citizens

makes this very difficult for the thai bureaucracy to carry out,

there just isnt sufficient data

Ask Yinn, sure to know....????

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, Ramdas said:

It’s quite sad really, lots of people need help right now,  surely they could at least help their own people for  another couple of months considering how rich this country is ! In the meantime, while this virus dwells in the country and beyond he is in Germany enjoying himself surrounded by his harem of babes, who’s better than him ?! Clearly can’t care less of his own people, how sad to say the least ☹️

any 'help' to a person now that doesnt fill requirements is going to a deficit card

that everyone has to pay off later, this and /or following generations

[monkfish]

7 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

yes, and i dont expect any contracts to be signed for hardware until this crisis is well and duly over with. i also dont expect governments to break already signed agreements,

it reflect poorly on people and states backing out of a done deal,

not to mention there is clauses that will deal punishment for such a treasonous act

They can be put on hold delayed if need be considering the situation.
They havn't had problems in the past breaking agreements.

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, monkfish said:

They can be put on hold delayed if need be considering the situation.
They havn't had problems in the past breaking agreements.

it has a cascading effect, if thai government dont pay up as they signed a deal to do,

the producers dont have the cash they expected to pay their sub contractors,

and the sub contractors dont have the cash to pay their sub contractors etc etc etc

[Trip Hop]

47 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

the problem is it is woefully insufficient data on every persons ability

to cope with a drop in income.

you seem to think the state can just conjure up wealth and distribute

to whomever ask for it, but that is not the case

The UK has so far allocated the equivalent of approximately $50Bn over the next 3 months to pay for people that cannot work. Admittedly its economy is approximately 5.5x that of Thailand but this still results in it spending approximately 6.6x what Thailand reckons it can only afford? Especially when you take into account the vast reserves that Thailand allegedly has and how strong the baht has been against Western currencies?

[monkfish]

7 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

it has a cascading effect, if thai government dont pay up as they signed a deal to do,

the producers dont have the cash they expected to pay their sub contractors,

and the sub contractors dont have the cash to pay their sub contractors etc etc etc

Yea COVID19 is going to have a cascading effect on the World's Economy so get ready.

Edited April 16, 2020 by monkfish

[garrya]

10 hours ago, torturedsole said:

So the obvious question is:  where's all the money gone, Prayut?

What money? Thailand hasn't got much left.

Edited April 16, 2020 by garrya

[brokenbone]

1 minute ago, Trip Hop said:

The UK has so far allocated the equivalent of approximately $50Bn over the next 3 months to pay for people that cannot work. Admittedly its economy is approximately 5.5x that of Thailand but this still results in it spending approximately 6.6x what Thailand reckons it can only afford? Especially when you take into account the vast reserves that Thailand allegedly has and how strong the baht has been against Western currencies?

uk is one of those nanny states that has been taxing all its citizens for a very

long time and know much better each persons ability to carry on

or in need of subsidies, thailand wont be there until corruption is stomped out

and every person from the bar girl to the bar owner is taxed in accordance with

their capacity