5 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Ummmm. It came from their lab not from a seafood market. Biological economic warfare is what it ends up as.

Oh please that has been debunked many times by many people. Even the American department of defense said it was nonsense. 

6 hours ago, Ventenio said:

To even ask this question is very strange........IF the OP doesn't think it's China, what are his/her thoughts on where the virus came from?  

 

China will be spending billions for the internet to find:

 

Wuhan virus originated in NYC and sent via rocket ship (see pictures)

China had different virus, other viruses from America

Lab in America was found to have 10978 strains of exact virus

China has only 3 cases, and Italy has confessed to lab outbreak

Spanish doctor admits to have started virus in basement

Japanese man found to be patient zero

 

it will go on and on and on and on....

 

might as well start threads, "Is the Earth flat?  Has anyone gone to the moon?"

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I am not calling for people to be made responsible for the virus.

What I do want is for China to clamp down on these markets selling animals like bats that us humans really should not be eating.

This is not the first pandemic to arise in China because of their eating habits. But given how mobile the world population is these days things are no longer a local issue and soon become widespread.

I didn't think you were, I think you will notice that my post was partly tongue in cheek. I got a good reply complaining about the damage Hannibal's elephants had done rampaging over the Alps! 

I couldn't agree with you more about the wet markets. My brother - a Chinese speaker, and former teacher in Kunming  - tells me that he was always upset by how the horrible Han, treated their minorities. They appear to suffer from the same racial superiority complex that so many Aryan TV posters do here. 

20 minutes ago, KC 71 said:

 

Not flat with all those curves....

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-officials-raised-alarm-about-wuhan-lab-researching-bat-coronaviruses-in-2018-military-investigating

It is conceivable the research in bats that was done their in the BSL-4 lab leaked out. The bats were not from the Hubei province at all, they brought there by Dr Shi.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3049397/bat-ladys-cave-exploits-offer-hope-beat-virus-sneakier-sars

If there was a leak, was it on purpose in an evil commie masterplan to get their own infected and recovered first, so that they could then gobble up the rest of the world for pennies? Would sound exactly what commies have done since the bolsheviks. People are just cannon fodder on their quest for party supremacy.  

It's strange people balk at fascist nazies, but their even more evil cousin, the commies, are just cuddly toy bears. Communism must be eradicated.

Thanks for the links - will keep them - much appreciated.

 

You are very correct - socialism/communism has killed far more people than Hitler/Germany ever did. Stalin's Govt is estimated to have killed 30 million while he was in power - and all up the estimates are 100 million to 150 million since 1900 have been killed by communism.  People seem to forget/ignore that communist China has killed far more people that Nazi Germany did. Would people be happy to get cheap stuff made in Nazi Germany? The media is to blame a lot for this - Chinese money has bought them influence and that has given them 'cover' - but look under the covers and there they are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

 

And who/what is the biggest killers of them all?

Hitler? Stalin?

No - it is Mao and his Govt is still in power in China - people need to realise who and what China is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

I guarantee you that 90+% of the western world have no idea how things really are in Thailand - we know.

I also guarantee you that 90+% of the western world have no idea how bad China really is.

Imagine living in a country that since 1950s has killed so many people, and has made the western world et al, think they are just fine? You think the Thais keep quiet about what is happening - the Chinese even more so. 

 

IMO (no evidence - balance of probabilities) what happened is that the virus leaked and the local authorities tried to cover it up. When 'HQ CCP' found out, they too tried to cover it up.  Would there have been some inside CCP HQ thinking there may be a benefit if this is spread around the world? Maybe.  But a pre-meditated plan to do it? Unlikely.  But either way China is really responsible for the worldwide pandemic.  And WHO is culpable - Taiwan tried to tell them in late December or early January and WHO ignored them because CCP made them ignore them (One China policy) - and that is why WHO is so defensive.

https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/03/25/2003733321

1 hour ago, BeltAndRoad said:

Let's start with a little "shock and awe" quickly followed up with some mustard gas, napalm and white phosphorus and for the "pièce de résistance" a mushroom cloud followed by a nuclear winter that would even make Stalin envious. 

That'd really be something.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

42 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Oh please that has been debunked many times by many people. Even the American department of defense said it was nonsense. 

Sorry but it is true as has been coming out this week that it is indeed from the lab. Please wake up or fully go back to sleep.

1 minute ago, DrTuner said:

That'd really be something.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

Cockroaches will be the only inhabitants, maybe someone in china has already worked out a DNA injection to shield their people and become ChiComRoaches, CCR instead of CCP

1 minute ago, holy cow cm said:

Sorry but it is true as has been coming out this week that it is indeed from the lab. 

The thing that sways me towards that direction is that the SARS bat cave is in Yunnan, not Hubei. The bats were imported and I don't think they'd bother to do that for fine dining.

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

 

But like after SARS, if there isn't a societal shift away from the practices of slaughtering wild animals, especially Bats, in unsanitary conditions this will all happen again.

They believe the virus originally came from horseshoe bats in Yunnan province which is 1800 km away from Wuhan.

 

People with no association to the market were ill before the market outbreak, this is part of the current lie.

Edited April 18, 20206 yr by ukrules

Whenever there is a crash in an airplane, the FAA and NTSB do an extensive investigation to understand what happened and find who is at fault.  Most of the time, what they come back with is "pilot error", with a long litany of "mitigating factors".  Basically, they are saying that if the pilot had acted perfectly, he could have coped in theory with the airplane failing all around him, but humans are imperfect people so a crash resulted.

 

The same is likely true of China here.  China may in fact be the direct cause of the virus, but the reality of the responsibility is contained in all the "mitigating factors" that went into the crisis.

 

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

 

Opening for a brave new world explorer.

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

 

The only reason to go to Alaska.

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

 

Looks like they just widened the English Channel  .....  must be something to do with........ Brexit.????

37 minutes ago, Monomial said:

Whenever there is a crash in an airplane, the FAA and NTSB do an extensive investigation to understand what happened and find who is at fault.  Most of the time, what they come back with is "pilot error", with a long litany of "mitigating factors".  Basically, they are saying that if the pilot had acted perfectly, he could have coped in theory with the airplane failing all around him, but humans are imperfect people so a crash resulted.

 

The same is likely true of China here.  China may in fact be the direct cause of the virus, but the reality of the responsibility is contained in all the "mitigating factors" that went into the crisis.

 

That last bit seems like a very strange comment to me, I'm afraid.

1 hour ago, KC 71 said:

 

Trying to figure out on the map of all the places I have been.

I think I hit the sweet spot with my holidays in Malta ????

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

You are very correct - socialism/communism has killed far more people than Hitler/Germany ever did. Stalin's Govt is estimated to have killed 30 million while he was in power - and all up the estimates are 100 million to 150 million since 1900 have been killed by communism.  People seem to forget/ignore that communist China has killed far more people that Nazi Germany did.

Think you will find that people didn't forget/ignore these events, it's more that they were never informed or educated on them in the first place, people don't seem to question the fact that the Holocaust is constantly mentioned in the media, hollywood and school curriculum yet have never heard of the Holodomor.  The only logical explanation would be that the perpetrators of the Communist crimes hold great influence over the institutions mentioned. 

Edited April 18, 20206 yr by BeltAndRoad

28 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That last bit seems like a very strange comment to me, I'm afraid.

At the end of the day, you as the owner of your company are ultimately responsible for the actions of the people below you, therefore what he is trying to say is even though the big cheeses should take the fall they will find a low level person to take the blame for an accident that they have just now uncovered, and steps have been taken already to ensure it does not happen again....

11 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I think in many western countries there will be hate, disdain, and discrimination against Chinese like one has never seen.

 

I applied patent for t shirt and hat with phrase "INC" and I'm Not Chinese. 

It will be hot in all Chinese look alike countries. 

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

At the end of the day, you as the owner of your company are ultimately responsible for the actions of the people below you, therefore what he is trying to say is even though the big cheeses should take the fall they will find a low level person to take the blame for an accident that they have just now uncovered, and steps have been taken already to ensure it does not happen again....

I don't think so. I would imagine it would be more like: even though the big cheeses should take the fall, they will find persons and governments at all levels to share the blame for an accident that they uncovered months ago and are responsible for. No known steps have yet been taken to ensure that it does not happen again....

 

Signed

 

Chairman

13 hours ago, Thailand said:

The world is probably responsible man made or otherwise.

 

Just about every country has been developing biological agents for warfare in the guise of research for betterment for the people.It may have escaped from a lab in Wuhan, it may have morphed from some animal. It could easily have started in the US or any another country.

 

Maybe the world will learn something from this catastrophe, ideally helping countries to work together in the future instead of against one and other.

 

I doubt it though, man does not seem to have that foresight.

just about no nation are developing biological weapons

Removed a troll post (misleading name for a virus) and the replies to it.

9 hours ago, connda said:

The entire country of China was not locked down.

Not yet.

16 minutes ago, ukrules said:

Not yet.

China's always in lock down.  

14 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Not flat with all those curves....

...and crevices

15 hours ago, CGW said:

This wont fit most peoples view ????

https://medicalveritas.org/top-ten-most-damaging-coronavirus-lies/

I have never read such an absurd cocktail of pseudo science and conspiracy theory in my life. Page after page of utter bs. No wonder their work is censored, reading medicalveritas will rot your brain.The US doesn't have enough mental homes to cope with the victims.

Was China responsible is not the right question.

 

The right question is "Was China negligent in its response to the virus".

 

This question is already being determined in a court of law in the United States, where thousands of people have sued China:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233199/US-lawyers-sue-China-TRILLIONS-dollars-accuse-Beijing-coronavirus-negligence.html

1 minute ago, Carsten007 said:

At the same time about 50% is correct. This mix of facts and ideology put out in pseudo scientific language makes it so dangerous for the gullible.

Exactly. The bit that got me was those molecules wanting to offload their surplus ions, or some such garbled nonsense. I tried to restrict the derisory laughter, it was getting painful. Perfect stuff for those who slept through school though. 

 

Next up carrots cure cancer etc.

26 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Was China responsible is not the right question.

 

The right question is "Was China negligent in its response to the virus".

 

This question is already being determined in a court of law in the United States, where thousands of people have sued China:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233199/US-lawyers-sue-China-TRILLIONS-dollars-accuse-Beijing-coronavirus-negligence.html

I know this is the Daily Seig Heil we are talking about, but I fear it may actually be true. 

The US haven't even signed up for the INTERNATIONAL criminal court. 

What deluded idiocy makes them think that just because they are Americans anybody else gives a tinkers cuss what they decide in their absurd kangaroo courts. We are not talking about a contract agreement here. 

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I know this is the Daily Seig Heil we are talking about, but I fear it may actually be true. 

The US haven't even signed up for the INTERNATIONAL criminal court. 

What deluded idiocy makes them think that just because they are Americans anybody else gives a tinkers cuss what they decide in their absurd kangaroo courts. We are not talking about a contract agreement here. 

Lawsuits can be filed wherever you are they do not need to filed where the act occurred......