Beer may lose its fizz as CO2 supplies go flat during pandemic

[Thujone]

5 hours ago, transam said:

Aaaaaaaaaah, fond memories of Real Ale from the pump.................????

I could savour a pint of hand-drawn cask conditioned Theakston Old Peculiar in these peculiar times...

[Monomial]

Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide.

 

Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process?

 

[moogradod]

I am German and my ancestors invented the thing. Google "Weihenstephan". And real beer - especially Pils - has CO2 and is served cold. It is an art. No discussion. At least since the invention of refridgerators. Everything else is just a curiosity such as pineapple on a pizza.

Edited April 19, 2020 by moogradod

[Forethat]

20 minutes ago, moogradod said:

I am German and my ancestors invented the thing. Google "Weihenstephan". And real beer - especially Pils - has CO2 and is served cold. It is an art. No discussion. At least since the invention of refridgerators. Everything else is just a curiosity such as pineapple on a pizza.

You're from the Middle East? 

[Almer]

6 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

If one takes the fizz out of US beer what is left?

Just beer

[Almer]

41 minutes ago, Monomial said:

Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide.

 

Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process?

 

So that the bottle when opened goes pssst

[Monomial]

9 minutes ago, Forethat said:

You're from the Middle East? 

Is Egypt considered the Middle East?

 

I thought it was Africa.

 

https://www.ancient.eu/article/1033/beer-in-ancient-egypt/

 

[Monomial]

Just now, Almer said:

So that the bottle when opened goes pssst

 

Still don't understand. The CO2 is dissolved in the beer will pressurize the bottle automatically. Why is additional CO2 needed?

 

[Almer]

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Good. Proper beer should be flat, warm and very hoppy. 

Warm beer, arggggh

[Forethat]

11 minutes ago, Monomial said:

Is Egypt considered the Middle East?

 

I thought it was Africa.

 

https://www.ancient.eu/article/1033/beer-in-ancient-egypt/

 

Could be. I thought it was Mesopotamia. At least that's what I've been told. But Egyptians or Sumerians could be right.

 

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In Mesopotamia (ancient Iraq), early evidence of beer is a 3,900-year-old Sumerian poem honoring Ninkasi, the patron goddess of brewing, which contains the oldest surviving beer recipe, describing the production of beer from barley via bread.[18] Approximately 5,000 years ago, workers in the city of Uruk were paid by their employers in beer.[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer

 

I know I read somewhere of a brewer who tried to reproduce that four thousand year old beer recipé. Apparently it was awful.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Forethat

[Almer]

9 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

Still don't understand. The CO2 is dissolved in the beer will pressurize the bottle automatically. Why is additional CO2 needed?

 

We need a qualified brewer to answer.

Calling all brewers please.

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, Almer said:

We need a qualified brewer to answer.

Calling all brewers please.

Make sure you get the Belgians.

[moogradod]

20 minutes ago, Forethat said:

You're from the Middle East? 

No, but I am no historian either. I guess we are talking "modern"  beer, not "met" or anything prähistoric - if modern is appr. 1000 years back. The beer produced at Weihenstephan at this time in history is more or less the stuff you are drinking today. I believe therefore it is justifiable to say that the Germans "invented" it in the form it is still available today. Prost !

[brokenbone]

5 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

Can't they just put their beer into their Soda Stream - and make new bubbles?

 

 

not sure if you are joking, the soda stream is powered by bottled co2

[Solinvictus]

The beer in BKK will be sold on the 20th again! Tomorrow!

[VocalNeal]

2 hours ago, Monomial said:

Wait...I'm confused. I thought it was the yeast digesting the mash that created the carbon dioxide, and that beer production actually generated carbon dioxide. That is why all the beer produces also make soda water....presumably because they have an excess of carbon dioxide.

 

Can someone explain why additional CO2 is needed in the industrial beer production process?

 

Can't explain why but i have commissioned beer carbonation systems in breweries.

 

As has been said breweries do not make their own CO2. I've also commissioned O2 plants

so understand why breweries don't have CO2 systems. O2 and N2 plants separate out the gasses from ambient air.  There is not enough CO2 in the atmosphere to make it viable for separation. 

 

As for beers there is a difference between top and bottom fermentation. I'm not a brewer but i know one.????

 

Forward on 'till tomorrow.

Edited April 19, 2020 by VocalNeal

[Damrongsak]

9 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Would be fun if they started using He instead of CO2.

Light beer?  I could belch in a higher pitch.

[Inn Between]

I won't have that problem as I'm in Canada these days making my own beer with lots of carbonation in it after a couple of weeks of sitting on the shelf. I find that about 200 grams of dextrose in a 23-liter batch when bottling gives me plenty of fizz. Any breweries making "bottle conditioned" beer won't have a problem, but all that factory stuff is flat and pasteurized with no live yeast in it, so it has to be charged with CO2 as it's bottled and canned.

 

What's even cooler about making one's own beer here is that all the ingredient are completely tax-free as they're all considered basic food item. With the VERY heavy taxation on booze here, it means I pay about 25% of the price of a standard beer, and if I can leave it aging long enough, I get a much superior one. 

[chickenslegs]

9 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

Would be fun if they started using He instead of CO2.

 

8 hours ago, Forethat said:

They can't, as it's impossible.

 

How about NO then?

Sorry, this is no laughing matter.

[Maybole]

Real ale makes its own CO2

[heina]

This is good sign for all the peoples who loves good beer.

Let beer carbonate in  bottles. Much better.

[Forethat]

16 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

 

 

How about NO then?

Sorry, this is no laughing matter.

As long as you inhale it, you'll be fine. At least your mates will have a good laugh watching you try. ????