He lost it all

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Perhaps you should check my posts before you press the Submit button. I wrote within the past ten minutes that I have been with my current girlfriend for six years( or so she says ????  ). She lives in Thailand and is not Thai.

 

Still hasn't asked for money. Pays her own way, has her own apartment. Does want children and does want to get married.

 

I don't care if you don't believe me. What difference does that make to my life??

 

 

Six year is nothing. NOTHING. You're still in the honeymoon phase. Come back in another six years and tell us again how great the sex is, especially if you refuse to get married.

 

You see! She's no different from any other girl, she wants to get married! And you're so naive to think she will pay her own way? How naive are you? You do realise once you marry her you'll be paying for her the rest of your life?

 

So what will you do, bend over and get married? If you do, you're paying for the rest of life.

 

If you don't, she'll be gone.

 

Your girl is not special, you're not special, and she's like everyone else. You know nothing special and you're not with anyone special.

 

Best to try and understand that.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Logosone

[Eindhoven]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

You are the most naive person on this board if you seriously think women don't want your money and you're not paying for your woman.

 

But then your statement that "there are quality women out there" when you obviously consort with bar girls makes that clear already that you're a bit naive.

 

If you think in the long term you won't pay for any girl you're with, if you think the great sex will last until she's 40, dear oh dear, are you naive. There are guys who've gone the whole race. You have not. And you're being lied to by women and don't even realise it.

 

Dear friend. I have been reading the comments of people like yourself for more than twenty years.

I am not the one who is naive. I am not the one handing money over to prostitutes for sex.

 

I am clearly the naive one having normal relationships, wherein we pay for and take care of each other, with women from my own country and beyond.

 

Consorting with BG? Doesn't happen. I meet people and they tell me their stories. Example? Latest BG offered her services. I declined but gave her the money anyway. She tells me about her life. She tells me that I know more about her life than anyone else. My girlfriend has met her. 

Long term we share the burden. That's normal. It not about money but shared experiences.

 

 

 

[The Deerhunter]

On 4/22/2020 at 12:21 AM, xtof2 said:

The only surprising thing is that he did not die in her Cambodian village

Of drowning!!!!!  Seriously, now; there is something in a certain percentage of the human race that gets its feelings of self-worth in the world by believing they are able to save someone else from something.   

The siren cry of "But you are the only one who cares for me.  The only one who can help me"; is irresistible to these people.  And no shortage of those who wish to exploit it. 

 

The sensible ones become lifeguards, firemen or zebra-crossing-wardens and DON'T visit places like Thailand Cambodia or Vietnam, etc, where so many needy but sexually attractive and/or appealingly dependent people "lie?" waiting to meet them.

[Logosone]

22 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

No, you just had a single experience and you know nothing at all.

People are people and you just attempt to compartmentalise in order to make your life easier.

There are many variables in life.

 

 

Trust me I've not just had a "single" experience. I've had very many.

 

Your genius insight that people are people, I can't argue with that. You have a point there, people are indeed people.

 

There are many variables in life, but women not wanting your money is not one of them. That's not a variable, that's a given, a constant and it will never ever change. It's been like that for thousands of years. There are only very, very few exceptions and clearly you're not one  of them.

 

Women are way smarter than you will ever be. She is not stupid, she will not ask for money now, maybe not for another six years. But if you don't pony up and put that ring on the finger, ie pay for her for the rest of your life, she'll soon be sitting on top of somebody else.

 

Don't ever believe a woman is not after your resources, don't ever believe you're not going to end up paying for a woman. You always will, if they're worth anything.

 

I'm helping you here. 

 

 

[CharlieH]

Inflammatory/Troll remark removed.

[luckyluke]

12 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

I don't care if you don't believe me

 

I dare to write that most of us,

despite not knowing personally the others posting here about their experiences and opinions,

believe what they wrote.

 

Not that sure about your posts.

 

But whatever as you wrote =

 

"I don't care if you don't believe me. What difference does that make to my life?"

 

 

[Eindhoven]

3 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Trust me I've not just had a "single" experience. I've had very many.

 

Your genius insight that people are people, I can't argue with that. You have a point there, people are indeed people.

 

There are many variables in life, but women not wanting your money is not one of them. That's not a variable, that's a given, a constant and it will never ever change. It's been like that for thousands of years. There are only very, very few exceptions and clearly you're not one  of them.

 

Women are way smarter than you will ever be. She is not stupid, she will not ask for money now, maybe not for another six years. But if you don't pony up and put that ring on the finger, ie pay for her for the rest of your life, she'll soon be sitting on top of somebody else.

 

Don't ever believe a woman is not after your resources, don't ever believe you're not going to end up paying for a woman. You always will, if they're worth anything.

 

I'm helping you here. 

 

 

 

 

Dear Logosone

 

Thank you for "trying to help me". But if she gets up and leaves after twelve years because I don't give her any money(which is nonsense), why would I care?

 

I would get rid of something not worth keeping and be free to find someone one.

 

What I would not have done is spent all my money on a BG, paying for her holidays, upkeep, family, buffaloes, boyfriend/husband etc

 

So thank you, but I prefer my way. I don't need to slag off the women of my kind in order to justify bankrolling a family in Issan.

[Eindhoven]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

I dare to write that most of us,

despite not knowing personally the others posting here about their experiences and opinions,

believe what they wrote.

 

Not that sure about your posts.

 

But whatever as you wrote =

 

"I don't care if you don't believe me. What difference does that make to my life?"

 

 

Huh?

Never mind....

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Six years nothing? Really? How much have you paid out to BGs over six years?

 

If you want to go on holiday with a BG, you pay.

 

 

If I decide to have children and tie myself to a particular woman, it will be will full knowledge that I am/we are responsible for the family unit. Where is the issue in that?

But paying for her solely? Of course not.

 

We go travelling all over the world, we share the costs. It's a different life and a different existence from having to pay for a BG. You pay for her holiday and you pay her for sex. Who is naive?

 

You think that you are battle hardened and full of experience. But the reality is that you are a "mark" who will do and say anything to justify your way of life.

 

 

Yes, six years is nothing. I've had relationships with women for 20 years, 12 years. Like I said, the dutch one of 12 years took 12 years to reveal her true face, not getting married was suddenly not the option it was before. 

 

I have not paid a single Baht to a Bargirl. I never go to bars for girls. But if I did go on holiday with a bar girl I'd pay a very modest 5000 or 10000 Baht. How much have you paid over six years? How much do you think you will pay over the course of the next 14 years if you stay with this girl?

 

Where is the issue in having children and a wife? You have to have had a wife and children, like I have had, to understand this. First issue, after she's had children her body will change in many, many ways, and not for the better. Number 2, children are a blessing and wonderful, but you can kiss your life goodby as you know it, all that wonderful travelling all over the world....gone! It's all about the needs of the children now, paying for university will not be cheap, best get to work rather than gallivant on holidays all over the world....and all that free time you now have for great sex....GONE!....oh and btw, if you decide to change your mind and divorce, half your assets gone, paying for her and the kids forever....so hmmmm, what's the issue in having children and a wife....quite a big <deleted> major number of issues actually....lol....

 

I'm afraid it's you who is trying to justify your life, and it's not going to be as great as you think it will be. Some guys have been down the road you think you're the only one about to go on. Trust me, she's not special, you're not special and you know nothing special.

 

I'm helping you here.

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

 

Dear Logosone

 

Thank you for "trying to help me". But if she gets up and leaves after twelve years because I don't give her any money(which is nonsense), why would I care?

 

I would get rid of something not worth keeping and be free to find someone one.

 

What I would not have done is spent all my money on a BG, paying for her holidays, upkeep, family, buffaloes, boyfriend/husband etc

 

So thank you, but I prefer my way. I don't need to slag off the women of my kind in order to justify bankrolling a family in Issan.

You're very welcome. 

 

Please understand though, if you don't marry her after twelve years she will leave (unless you're a film star and can offer a celebrity lifestyle), because she wants all your resources to herself. That's not nonsense, that's the way it is for billions of men and women, women are like that. And you're not special that way, nor is she.

 

Indeed once she leaves it's not a big loss, but please don't go around bragging how you don't pay for your woman, you have paid over six years, and if you haven't you will pay in a few years, either with all your assets or with her leaving. 

 

I've not spent all my money on a bar girl, but what is the difference if you pay for your girl's holidays or her children or if you pay for a bargirl's holiday or  buffalloes? The difference will be that bargirl is a lot cheaper. I'm not saying to go for bargirls, obviously they're prostitutes and it's even harder to have a good relationship with a prostitute than it is with "normal" woman.

 

But your way is not really that different to guys going with bar girls. Only they get it cheaper and with less risk.

Edited April 25, 2020 by Logosone

[Eindhoven]

46 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nothing empty about my existence back then. I worked to go to LOS and have a holiday on a nice beach with a nice women. Both of us got what we wanted. Then I'd go back and start over till the next holiday. Had I won Lotto I'd have stayed in LOS, but I didn't.

Sure beat hanging around in a grotty London bedsit on the dole waiting to die.

 

This is getting to the bickering stage so I'll stop now, unless something really outrageous is said.

 

Listen, I understand you and actually respect some of your opinions. Usually about the environment and sometimes about life.

There is no need for us to BS each other.

We choose our own path and have to live with it. 

Whilst in the context of this thread, you might think that I am judging. But I am not. 

My issue is with the people who sadly believe that their twisted view of life trumps everyone else's reality.

Live your life the way you want to live, without harming others. but don't try to tell me that my way is wrong and that your way is right...or we will disagree.

Live long and prosper. But take care of others along the way. That means wear a mask even if it conveniences you, because it protects others in the case of you being a symptom-less carrier. ????

[EVENKEEL]

On 4/23/2020 at 7:30 PM, possum1931 said:

It all depends on which way you look at it, but I repeat, no one should become rich through an accident of birth, please note, I am not talking about a few thousand here, more like half a million upwards, and watch who you are calling a troll.

 

Not a troll but certainly someone who is jealous of those with money. So you think when I die I shouldn't be able to give my kids multiple houses and land, savings and investments. Now I'm certainly a worker in every sense, you 1/2 million isn't <deleted> yet you want me to give it to the government. This is that creepy part of socialism.

[Logosone]

9 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

My issue is with the people who sadly believe that their twisted view of life trumps everyone else's reality.

Live your life the way you want to live, without harming others. but don't try to tell me that my way is wrong and that your way is right...or we will disagree.

 

That's what you are doing! You naively believe you've found some special way to deal with women, some special insights, some special life, but you have nothing of the sort. 

 

You are paying for your woman, if not now then later, whether you think you are or not. She's not special and she'll want to be married sooner or later, and then you'll really pay.

 

Women play a long strategic game. Men play the short term game. That's the difference. You just haven't grasped that yet because you haven't had any real long-term relationships.

 

You have not found the holy grail of dealing with women, you'll be paying like everyone else. And no doubt you've already paid like everyone else.

[maprao]

On 4/21/2020 at 3:02 PM, Bruce Aussie Chiang Mai said:

RIP. 

Problem is she was a Cambodian hooker, a Thai lady would never do that. 

????❤????????

Me thinks you are very experienced in the ways and mindset of a Thai???? you have been here too long! 

[Logosone]

6 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

Over six years, my girlfriend has cost me nothing. Maybe in six years time I will have moved on.

Who knows? Certainly not you.

 

I already told you that I don't pay for my girlfriend's holidays. She pays for herself. You really should read before replying.

 

As to the nonsense you wrote about risk and cheaper. The risk with a bar girl in the first instance is disease. Second, your self esteem and thirdly your money.

What is cheaper than nothing? My girlfriend costs me nothing on balance because we share everything.

No risk of venereal diseases or the thought of stirring another man's porridge.

 

You've already lost a lot more than money. Your moral compass has gotten lost along the way.

 

You can keep repeating that, it doesn't make it any more believable, your gf has certainly cost you money, you're just not honest enough to admit it. 

 

And even if she pays half the holiday cost, if she has the great idea to go on holiday in the Seychelles and you pay half, that has not cost you money then? It's ludicrous.

 

Even if you paid zero so far, you already admitted you're considering marrying her, so if you do that you will pay BIG TIME. It will be massively more expensive than any bar girl.

 

Your risk of losing your money is VASTLY greater being in a long term rel with a western woman than it is for any of the guys who go to bar girls.

 

Sure, you can have a blue-eyed belief that your girl will never cheat, but there's always a risk of that, like I said, you're a bit naive. It's kind of sweet and endearing, but you're way off man.

 

This is not a morality issue, morality is just good or bad, perspective. This is about the truth. You're saying you're not paying for your girl, but I am telling you are and if not you certainly will. There is no way around this. Unless you're a celebrity. Are you a celebrity?

[Logosone]

4 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

You are right in stating that it is my reality. Exactly so, in order to counter the 'reality' of those whose reality is that all women want is your money. That for me is sick and am am genuinely surprised that people think that way, as it most certainly has never been my experience.

Your attempt at insults only illustrates the paucity of your argument.

 

You jumped in with both feet because you didn't utilise enough intelligence in order to understand that it was never about my perfect life. But more to illustrate that there is another side to the bitterness exhibited here.

 

I described my relationships as demonstrations of fact. 

 

You cannot argue against facts. The best one can do, as Logosone has done, is to make up a fictitious scenario of my current girlfriend running off with my money in six years.

Talk about clutching at straws....

It has never been your experience because you have no real experience. You've never let a woman stick around long enough to show she really wants your money. She does. If you don't marry her and give her all your money she's gone. Count on it. 

 

They probably just left you quickly so far because you refused to pay for lunch! And this six year one is playing the long game, which you will lose either way, either you marry her and give her all your resources or you'll lose her. 

 

And it's not a fictious scenario, you yourself have admitted you're considering marrying and settling down, it is very much a likely scenario that a woman will want to get married. If you do get married then you will be paying, one way or the other.

 

Again, your relationships are not special, they are not different, and you are like anybody else. You've not found any holy grail in dealing with women. Don't try and convince yourself otherwise, and if you try it on any of us we will just shake our head in pity.

 

 

[Eindhoven]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

You can keep repeating that, it doesn't make it any more believable, your gf has certainly cost you money, you're just not honest enough to admit it. 

 

And even if she pays half the holiday cost, if she has the great idea to go on holiday in the Seychelles and you pay half, that has not cost you money then? It's ludicrous.

 

Even if you paid zero so far, you already admitted you're considering marrying her, so if you do that you will pay BIG TIME. It will be massively more expensive than any bar girl.

 

Your risk of losing your money is VASTLY greater being in a long term rel with a western woman than it is for any of the guys who go to bar girls.

 

Sure, you can have a blue-eyed belief that your girl will never cheat, but there's always a risk of that, like I said, you're a bit naive. It's kind of sweet and endearing, but you're way off man.

 

This is not a morality issue, morality is just good or bad, perspective. This is about the truth. You're saying you're not paying for your girl, but I am telling you are and if not you certainly will. There is no way around this. Unless you're a celebrity. Are you a celebrity?

 

Yes, we share costs. If she wants to go to the Seychelles and I don't, we don't go.

If she wants to go somewhere and I don't mind, what the problem with me paying for myself?

It actually costs me less than if I went alone, so I actually save money and add to my amazing experiences. Plus she drives, I don't. So I have a driver to boot.

 

It seems that you are desperately scraping around for a downside.

 

Where did I state that I considered marrying her?? You are either delusional or a Troll. This is the third time that you have posted fiction that you attribute to me.

 

You just sound like another bitter person trying to justify your current existence.

 

Why bother? I am only stating that no girl has ever asked nor expected money from me.

 

I read and seen the aftermath of relationships with BG, for over twenty years. So to suggest that I am some sort of naive child only speaks of your inability to judge someone's character.

I clearly know a lot more than you imagine.

 

 

 

[Andy from Kent]

On 4/21/2020 at 7:21 PM, xtof2 said:

The only surprising thing is that he did not die in her Cambodian village

 

Maybe there were no high balconies available?

[CharlieH]

The baiting bickering and trolling here  has evolved into an endless circle argument and will now be closed.

 

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