Diabetes

[rott]

I am curious about the different blood sugar measurement methods. 

 

In Thailand, normal is 70 - 110 mg%, 110 to 130 is pre-diabetes, above 130 is diabetes 2.

 

I am told that in the UK above 7.8 is diabetes, but I have also heard 140 mentioned. Same for USA. 

 

An Irish man I know insists that over 100 is diabetes. 100 what he cannot say. 

 

What different measurements are being used? 

 

 

 

 

[4MyEgo]

This may assist ?

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/diabetes/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20371451

[simple1]

OP: two different measurement standards, below should provide relevant comparisons. Here in oz is based upon mmol/l, my GP states an average reading over 7.0 requires some form of intervention, normally starting off with changing diet and exercise, if ineffective introduce medication taking into consideration any preexisting conditions. When i was first diagnosed with Diabetes type 11, my reading was 24, GP was surprised I was still alive!

 

A level from 100 to 125 mg/dL (5.6 to 6.9 mmol/L) is considered prediabetes. If your fasting blood sugar is 126 mg/dL (7 mmol/L) or higher on two separate tests, you have diabetes.

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabetes/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351199

Edited April 27, 2020 by simple1

[gargamon]

Simple answer: to convert from one system to the other, divide or multiply by 18 to get the number to the system you understand.

[bendejo]

If you have been diagnosed with type II diabetes, and you get your fasting blood glucose below 100 to prediabetes level, it means you have it "under control."  There is no legit cure for diabetes.

If I have this wrong please correct me, but don't turn this into a promotion of a jackleg diabetes cure scam.

 

 

[BKKrichard]

36 minutes ago, bendejo said:

If you have been diagnosed with type II diabetes, and you get your fasting blood glucose below 100 to prediabetes level, it means you have it "under control."  There is no legit cure for diabetes.

If I have this wrong please correct me, but don't turn this into a promotion of a jackleg diabetes cure scam.

 

 

Not sure if you can call it a cure, but 100% sure you can keep diabetes "under control" following the correct human diet.
 

[bendejo]

30 minutes ago, BKKrichard said:

Not sure if you can call it a cure, but 100% sure you can keep diabetes "under control" following the correct human diet.
 

Just like it says in #3.

Diet, exercise, and medication, check.  Living it.

But not cured -- eat a donut or an order of french fries, or double up on your portion of rice and you'll find out.  Occasional transgressions can be achieved with a little planning.

 

 

[Sheryl]

Post #3 is correct. Cut offs have changed over the years.

[rott]

Many thanks to all for your help. 

 

Just to clarify is 100 mg% the same as 100 mg/dL.? Going for a blood test tomorrow, for a few years I have been between 99 mg% and 110 mg% but recently have been very thirsty and drinking and urinating frequently (although it has abated of late) and think I may have slipped over the line. 

[rott]

Well there you go, wrong again. 

Blood sugar 90. Can't remember it being that low before, 95 yes but nothing lower. 

 

A couple of bits that may explain the thirst etc., check those again in a few months. In the meantime I can look forward to having a few beers again when sanity prevails. 

[rott]

On 4/27/2020 at 10:08 AM, bendejo said:

If you have been diagnosed with type II diabetes, and you get your fasting blood glucose below 100 to prediabetes level, it means you have it "under control."  There is no legit cure for diabetes.

If I have this wrong please correct me, but don't turn this into a promotion of a jackleg diabetes cure scam.

 

 

Incidentally I have never turned anything into a scam and had/have no intention of doing so here. I am not sure I care for your hectoring manner at the end of your post. 

[donnacha]

On 4/27/2020 at 4:08 AM, bendejo said:

There is no legit cure for diabetes.

It is now generally accepted that type 2 diabetes can be reversed through diet changes and weight loss.

Up until a few years ago, that was not generally believed to be possible. Research around bariatric surgery provided unexpected proof that it was possible in about 2/3 of cases.

The length of time you have been diabetic seems to be the main determinant in whether major diet changes or bariatric surgery will enable you to reverse your diabetes. It is best to make changes as soon as you know you have a problem. Extreme changes to diet, such as all-liquid vegetable diets, should be done under medical supervision.

Watching my father struggle with type 2 diabetes, I have seen how nasty it gets later on, including a never-ending battle against fungal infections around the feet and balls. I would urge anyone even at the pre-diabetic stage to re-evaluate their diet, drinking, exercise, and sleep habits. I have come to the conclusion that most people need to consciously take control of their bodies by the time they hit 40.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by donnacha

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, rott said:

On 4/26/2020 at 8:08 PM, bendejo said:

If I have this wrong please correct me, but don't turn this into a promotion of a jackleg diabetes cure scam.

Incidentally I have never turned anything into a scam and had/have no intention of doing so here. I am not sure I care for your hectoring manner at the end of your post. 

 

You shouldn't take it personally as it was not intended for you.

There is so much bs on the net regarding this subject it is sickening, and I was trying to ward off that sort of thing being posted here.  In chat rooms and on public forums when this topic comes up suddenly jokers appear and steer you to paywall websites (not on tvf though).   Even a former candidate for US president (a Republican, of course) is hawking a miracle diabetes cure.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by bendejo

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, donnacha said:

It is now generally accepted that type 2 diabetes can be reversed through diet changes and weight loss.
[...]

Thanks for the post.  I was diagnosed 3 years ago and no one has yet mentioned the surgery option.

I weigh the same as I did 20+ years ago, but I have shrunk app 3 inches so now I am classed as obese.

 

 

[Sheryl]

Diabetes cannot be "reversed".

 

It is often possible to fully control Type II diabetes  with diet and exercise. That is not the same thing as a "reversal".  if you revert to low activity and bad diet you will again have readings in diabetic range.

[donnacha]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Diabetes cannot be "reversed".

 

It is often possible to fully control Type II diabetes  with diet and exercise. That is not the same thing as a "reversal".  if you revert to low activity and bad diet you will again have readings in diabetic range.

 

If you reverse a car, but then drive it forward again, you can, of course, end up back in the same place.

 

The reason it is referred to, by doctors, as a reversal is because it is more than just suppressing the signs of diabetes through weight and diet management. In these cases, the pancreatic islets of Langerhans are visibly repaired, something that was not previously thought to be possible.

 

Think of it as driving off a cliff, smashing onto the rocks below, and then somehow reversing back up the cliff while magically repairing your car's smashed body.

 

It is one of life's rare second chances. Yes, if you drive the car back over the cliff it will get smashed up again, but you also, magically, have the option to drive away from the cliff intact.

 

The science is solid, it is mainstream medicine, but a relatively recent change in understanding. Worth looking into if you are not yet caught up on this.

 

 

[donnacha]

5 hours ago, bendejo said:

I was diagnosed 3 years ago and no one has yet mentioned the surgery option.

 

Sorry you developed it, rotten luck.

 

I came across some papers that discussed situations in which diabetes is considered a justification for bariatric surgery at low levels of obesity that, alone, would not usually justify surgery.

 

Obviously, all surgery carries risk. The gist of these papers was that those risks are outweighed by the long-term risks of diabetes itself.

 

I have no idea whether that perspective is considered mainstream yet but it is probably worth looking into. The relatively recent emergence of your diabetes may mean that your chance of a successful outcome is higher than most.

 

Again, while I am certain about the general reversal phenomenon, I have only looked briefly into the idea of bariatric surgery as a treatment for diabetes, but it does strike me as being one way to achieve the extreme diet change necessary.

 

A possibly less risky path would be to adopt a vegetable juice diet under supervision, but that would require time and will-power that most people do not have. If one could afford it, some sort of one-month residential course could provide the camaraderie, emotional support, and expert advice to make it easier.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by donnacha

[bendejo]

13 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Diabetes cannot be "reversed".

 

It is often possible to fully control Type II diabetes  with diet and exercise. That is not the same thing as a "reversal".  if you revert to low activity and bad diet you will again have readings in diabetic range.

Yes.  To me a reversal or cure would mean being able to eat with impunity again. 

Ok, maybe not to the extent of putting away a half a pizza at one sitting...