China lab rejects COVID-19 conspiracy claims, but virus origins still a mystery

[tifino]

their newest alibi attempt, will be to scapegoat the Chewing Gum

[Isaan sailor]

I like the Chinese people.  It’s the CCP I abhor. 

[ChouDoufu]

some of the 55 other nationalities are quite small, and isolated from the main population.  populations in the hundreds of thousands or a few million, small villages in the mountains, only access being dirt/mud roads or plank suspension bridges over streams.  little infrastructure, no running water, one electric outlet per mud hut, communal outhouse that dumps into the lake beside the village.  tiny poorly-supplied clinic in larger villages, kids walk (climb) many kilometers to attend school if not working in the fields.

 

many have no contact with the outside world, some families send one member to weekly or monthly market days in nearby towns.  central government offers scholarships and guaranteed slots in university for those willing to study.  some of the menfolk head to the eastern metropoliseses to work in foxconn factories, where they can make in a year what they'd be able to save in two lifetimes in their home village.

 

many of the villages don't appear on maps, and don't appear to have names.  i've asked some (riding dirt roads thru the mountains on a bicycle) for directions, often got "no speak chinese", or if they did well enough to understand, they'd never been outside their home county, and didn't know the way past the fields they worked.

 

perhaps this could be a virus reservoir within the human population in china with only limited contact with the rest of the country.  if so, how many next generation viruses are waiting to be unleashed?  i'll have to research it, but wonder if any of the villages near batcaves collect batpoop to sell as fertilizer?  or use it themselves if not enough nightsoil?

 

here's a government-installed sign in one of the larger villages, chinese characters on the left, local language script in the center, pinyin pronunciation that the locals use (not the same as standard mandarin pinyin) on the right.

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[rabas]

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

i was, however, considering the non-yet peer-reviewed study from cambridge.  if they are correct, and the virus outbreak started in guangdong in september, then the wuhan lab is irrelevant.  unless some guy on youtube says he heard than an intern from the lab went to visit his granny in guangzhou and took her some delicious bat soup for mid-autumn festival, before keeling over and letting his cellphone subscription lapse.

 

a secondary finding from the paper was that the virus may have been circulating in the human population much longer in a less virulent form, for years or even decades. 

Do you have any reference for this paper? Or anything related supporting its "secondary findings". It doesn't seem to exist, even a legitimate announcement.

 

I only see his first paper here, but its conclusions do not support to yours.

 

There are propaganda articles appearing on the world's conspiracy sites that use his first paper to draw false conclusions but I can't reference them here.

[ChouDoufu]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Do you have any reference for this paper? Or anything related supporting its "secondary findings". It doesn't seem to exist, even a legitimate announcement.

 

I only see his first paper here, but its conclusions do not support to yours.

 

There are propaganda articles appearing on the world's conspiracy sites that use his first paper to draw false conclusions but I can't reference them here.

there certainly are a lot of papers out there, and reporters reporting about them.  i must have gotten the secondary finding from one of those articles, unfortunately i don't have a link to that specific one.  i'll keep looking.

 

i did find this on the us national institute of health site, referencing another paper (not by forster).

 

"The second scenario is that the new coronavirus crossed from animals into humans before it became capable of causing human disease. Then, as a result of gradual evolutionary changes over years or perhaps decades, the virus eventually gained the ability to spread from human-to-human and cause serious, often life-threatening disease."

 

https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2020/03/26/genomic-research-points-to-natural-origin-of-covid-19/

 

that's not a published paper of course, but some nih doctor's take on other published work.  i believe he is referencing this:

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

 

that paper does discuss mutation/adaptation in humans after transfer, indicating some "period" of time necessary, but not defining any specific length.  (2. Natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer)  dr collins may have inferred the decades required before the variation appeared as early as september in guangdong (according to forster), or the variation that appeared in wuhan in december.

 

 

there is a news-ish video on "fake news" cnn with an interview "Has Covid-19 been in humans for years?"

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/04/04/uk-coronavirus-evolution-walsh-pkg-vpx.cnn

 

also found an interview with dr forster on youtube, but it's on the chinese cgtn channel.  you can google it if interested.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2020 by ChouDoufu

[Relocated]

Declare the COVID as WMD and send George Bush with sward and shield to Wuhan and let the rest of the soldiers watch the news.

[Xi Tha Virus]

On 4/28/2020 at 5:44 PM, Mavideol said:

 

this is like a ping pong game .....  it's not me it's you

It is called for CCP Virus

[Xi Tha Virus]

Only Chinese made product that has hold longer than a month. 

[gargamon]

Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/politics/trump-administration-intelligence-coronavirus-china.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

WASHINGTON — Senior Trump administration officials have pushed American spy agencies to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory that a government laboratory in Wuhan, China, was the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, according to current and former American officials. The effort comes as President Trump escalates a public campaign to blame China for the pandemic.

Some intelligence analysts are concerned that the pressure from administration officials will distort assessments about the virus and that they could be used as a political weapon in an intensifying battle with China over a disease that has infected more than three million people across the globe.

Most intelligence agencies remain skeptical that conclusive evidence of a link to a lab can be found, and scientists who have studied the genetics of the coronavirus say that the overwhelming probability is that it leapt from animal to human in a nonlaboratory setting, as was the case with H.I.V., Ebola and SARS.

[ChouDoufu]

14 hours ago, gargamon said:

Trump Officials Are Said to Press Spies to Link Virus and Wuhan Labs

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/politics/trump-administration-intelligence-coronavirus-china.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

 

WASHINGTON — Senior Trump administration officials have pushed American spy agencies to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory that a government laboratory in Wuhan, China, was the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, according to current and former American officials. The effort comes as President Trump escalates a public campaign to blame China for the pandemic.

Some intelligence analysts are concerned that the pressure from administration officials will distort assessments about the virus and that they could be used as a political weapon in an intensifying battle with China over a disease that has infected more than three million people across the globe.

Most intelligence agencies remain skeptical that conclusive evidence of a link to a lab can be found, and scientists who have studied the genetics of the coronavirus say that the overwhelming probability is that it leapt from animal to human in a nonlaboratory setting, as was the case with H.I.V., Ebola and SARS.

 

that's just never-trumper drama queen moaning.

 

with the dedication to truth and transparency of the current regime, there's no chance the intelligence could be twisted to fit the narrative. 

 

that would be...........bigly distracting.

[DirtyHarry55]

Some links I found to the subject for reading

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.

https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins?from=singlemessage&isappinstalled=0&fbclid=IwAR3AKzYws57U-EuYgsYUzbh8AuxIvxk4NamHNCdvYrWHKhePP_oXJ3OxP6Y

COVID-19: genetic network analysis provides ‘snapshot’ of pandemic origins

https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-officials-raised-alarm-about-wuhan-lab-researching-bat-coronaviruses-in-2018-military-investigating

U.S. Officials Raised Alarm About Wuhan Lab Researching Bat Coronaviruses In 2018; Military Investigating

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/11/china-clamping-down-on-coronavirus-research-deleted-pages-suggest

China clamping down on coronavirus research, deleted pages suggest

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

How China’s ‘Bat Woman’ Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

[DirtyHarry55]

22 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

I like the Chinese people.  It’s the CCP I abhor. 

And their 10c Trolls