U.S. coronavirus deaths surpass Vietnam War toll as Florida governor meets Trump

[Tounge Thaied]

6 minutes ago, jm91 said:

Yes I know people who have died of Covid 19. For your post to be true there must be a vast media, political conspiracy to create a false crisis. Sorry, I don't believe you.  My brother and sister in law are both physicians and they are being slammed with work and coworkers dying. 

You are wrong because your story depends on some vast conspiracy - which does not exist. 

Where do they work? What hospitals, what clinics, seriously would like to know. 

[Tounge Thaied]

10 minutes ago, jm91 said:

The number of people infected with Covid 19 is much lower than the numbers infected with influenza because of the precautions implemented by governments around the world. 

Come on man, listen to what you are saying. You're are arguing that all of the contact precautions have been selectively reducing covid virus but excluding the influenza virus. You are saying all of the covid measures to reduce the virus only work for covid. You can't really be serious with this assertion?

[kingdong]

On 4/29/2020 at 2:35 AM, bluesofa said:

Am I reading too much into this - is there some underlying point being made here: By comparing it to the Vietnam War, they are saying it's more lives lost due to the Chinese again?

It would appear so.

[ChouDoufu]

On 4/29/2020 at 4:09 PM, rudi49jr said:

Didn’t Trump say just last week there would be a total of 60,000 deaths, maybe 65,000 tops? 

unless i'm misteaken about the timing, that was just after he said there would be millions infected and up to 100k dead.  he'll just keep jiggling the numbers, so that with "only" 50k deaths, oopsie!, 60k deaths, he can claim he singlehandedly whipped the kaiser-19.

[jm91]

50 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Come on man, listen to what you are saying. You're are arguing that all of the contact precautions have been selectively reducing covid virus but excluding the influenza virus. You are saying all of the covid measures to reduce the virus only work for covid. You can't really be serious with this assertion?

You create a strawman argument. The us Cdc has not released2019 2020  flu season  deaths. If they are lower then lockdown is working. Please try and think things through. 

[jm91]

1 hour ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Where do they work? What hospitals, what clinics, seriously would like to know. 

For your story to be true there would be a vast conspiracy of lies. Sorry. Your story is bull snot.

[jm91]

1 hour ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Come on man, listen to what you are saying. You're are arguing that all of the contact precautions have been selectively reducing covid virus but excluding the influenza virus. You are saying all of the covid measures to reduce the virus only work for covid. You can't really be serious with this assertion?

I just checked the USA CDC website. The USA is experiencing a low flu season with lower deaths. The lockdown is working. Up next I predict another false assertion based on faulty reasoning backed by fox entertainment facts. Or some other suspect source. 

[Tug]

47 minutes ago, jm91 said:

For your story to be true there would be a vast conspiracy of lies. Sorry. Your story is bull snot.

You are to kind

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tounge Thaied said:

Come on man, listen to what you are saying. You're are arguing that all of the contact precautions have been selectively reducing covid virus but excluding the influenza virus. You are saying all of the covid measures to reduce the virus only work for covid. You can't really be serious with this assertion?

Most of the flu season occurred before the coronavirus outburst,  and it was over around the end of March.  Therefore, the contact precautions introduced during this month could only have little effect on the total number of flu infections and deaths. 

[metisdead]

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[simple1]

On 4/29/2020 at 11:35 AM, bluesofa said:

Am I reading too much into this - is there some underlying point being made here: By comparing it to the Vietnam War, they are saying it's more lives lost due to the Chinese again?

The point being made is the current Covid-19 number of deaths in the US now exceed the total from the Vietnam War in a matter of months, not ten years of war. Both the Chinese and Russians at some time supported and equipped the N. Vietnamese. Many are claiming the large number of deaths for Covid-19 is due to very poor leadership / misinformation / denial from a President. We now know the same background scenario applies to Presidents during the course of the Vietnam War so there are a number pf parallels. 

Edited May 1, 2020 by simple1

[3NUMBAS]

Experts in the United States have warned that the coronavirus pandemic could last as long as two years in a worst-case scenario.

The paper, published on Thursday, said the spread of Covid-19 had created “the worst global public health crisis in over 100 years” as it warned that the pandemic could continue beyond current forecasts.

Citing how the virus can spread from people who do not present symptoms – or are asymptomatic – the study warns that coronavirus will be harder to control in comparison to past pandemics.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota, who published the report on Thursday, said Americans should expect the pandemic to continue until about two-thirds of the world’s population is immune.

The report’s lead author, CIDRAP director Michael Osterholm, told MSNBC News on Thursday that the US would see “many more infections” before a possible second wave hits.

“There’s no question we’re going to see many many more infections,” said Osterholm. “Today probably five to fifteen per cent of the United States – depending on where you’re at – have been infected by this virus, and that’s not very many considering what we’ve been through”.

Echoing the report’s conclusions, the CIDRAP director said that transmission of the virus between Americans would not stop until almost 70 per cent of the population had contracted the disease.

Osterholm, who made reference to the contested concept of “herd-immunity”, added on Thursday that it was not clear not clear how the US would get to that point.

As governments around the world assess how to end lockdown measures in the coming weeks and months, two scenarios presented in the CIDRAP study suggested that social distancing would need to continue.

Two possible scenarios based on past pandemics suggest that Covid-19 will continue to spread in either a series of small waves of infection, or one larger wave later this year that would likely overwhelm health services.https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-us-could-battle-pandemic-142114773.html

[geriatrickid]

On 4/28/2020 at 10:02 PM, sucit said:

Vietnam 18-20 year olds were dying. 

 

Not everyone will like to admit this, but deaths are not all equal. 

BUT, just as in Vietnam, in the USA, afro Americans, and the poor are over represented in the  deaths, i.e. their death rates are significantly greater than those who are not afro American and who are relatively wealthy.

Edited May 1, 2020 by geriatrickid

[nattaya09]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

“There’s no question we’re going to see many many more infections,” said Osterholm. “Today probably five to fifteen per cent of the United States – depending on where you’re at – have been infected by this virus, and that’s not very many considering what we’ve been through”.

 

5 -15% = 16.5M-49.5M people. Drives the mortality rate down from 6% to about 3 in every 1000 infections.