BeltAndRoad Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sujo said: That is also my experience from prosecuting in qld. marijuana, very small crime, not worth mentioning. cocaine, again very small crime until on the way down then hope they are not driving. Users tend to have money so dont do crimes against others to feed the addiction. heroin, lots of break and enter, stealing, robbery to feed the addiction. Lots of crimes to get money to pay for it. ice, meth, all bets off, they go nuts and will do whatever it takes for a hit. Once they have that hit you dont want to be near them. Its the real crazy drug. Where were you a prosecutor? Your statement (Once they have that hit you don't want to be near them. Its the real crazy drug) sounds like a statement my Grandmother would make i.e. a statement of little knowledge or experience concerning this subject. Edited May 2, 2020 by BeltAndRoad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katatonic Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, dddave said: The US has spent billions of dollars in it's various wars on drugs yet the problem is worse than ever. Enforcement of restrictive drug laws have proven to work no better on drugs than the restrictive alcohol laws enacted at Prohibition worked reducing alcohol abuse. It's time to accept the obvious, that eliminating the hugely profitable illicit drug trade by legalizing the sale of drugs is the only answer. People who want to take drugs can, just as they do now. The only difference is they won't have to steal and murder to support it. It does seem that just buying the entire world supply of drugs and selling it to those with a licence would be a lot easier than trying to eradicate it, not to mention a lot cheaper. It would also reduce gang violence, corruption and the whole underground drug scene massively. Must be a good reason not to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 hours ago, simtemple said: If he is found guilty, the death penalty would seem appropriate. RIP Thai Lady It would be interesting to know how many people confess to a crime and then later found not guilty, I guess he could change his plea in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Captain Monday said: The addicts wouldn't have to steal and murder if they could get hard drugs legally in a public health setting. Many would be happy to sit in front of TV and dope to death.Others sold and Taxed. Like Cannabis in US. All drugs should be legalized. Deal with it as a public health issue. It is called harm reduction I'm in two minds on this. I completely get your argument. But at the same time I think legalising something is effectively saying it's ok to try it. Or that's how kids might interpret it anyway. As a teenage school kid I was keen to try cigarettes and alcohol (legal), but I never wanted to try heroin. And besides, I don't think this guy murdered the girl just because yaba was illegal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Huckenfell said: Rubbish ! they will get a conviction if they want, guilty or not. Look what happened to the two innocent Myanmar boys., in the Death Island case. Blimey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 12 hours ago, ChipButty said: He has got no friends, well not now Does any expat, have freiends ?. I can count on one hand ,555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeltAndRoad Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, shy coconut said: Blimey Strewth 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, GinBoy2 said: So in terms of the awfulness of this. My wife's cousin, who until recently was a lady of the night in Pattaya, was on a vidchat with my wife. She actually knew the guy and had he had been a 'customer'. She recognized him from the media reports, and said she had the three times felt scared. He paid well, but he always wanted her to take YaBa and at the end was aggressive. She always refused to go with him after that Sounds like a nasty piece of work. So sad that it took the loss of a life to get him off the streets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upnotover Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Walter Travolta said: What beats me about the headline is if his friends havent made themselves known yet, how do they know they exist, and if they do, that they are in shock? Journalistic license. It's one "friend", Khun Ping, who apparently claims to be shocked. I have news for Khun Ping, its not necessary to have lots of money to have lots of women in Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shy coconut Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, katatonic said: First drug ban in history apparently. Would that be before opium was banned in London in the 1860's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relocated Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Steve Vincent said: What’s wrong with tattoos ? I’m covered in them and I’ve never killed anybody nor do I want too unless it’s necessary ! A local volunteer who has full of tattoo on his body was removing graffiti in the park. It seems a classic oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rott Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, elliss said: Does any expat, have freiends ?. I can count on one hand ,555 I still have genuine friends from my early days here over twenty years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 8 hours ago, Baerboxer said: Drugs affect different people differently. Some drugs are far more addictive than others and some far more harmful to health and well being. Again, people's tolerance and reaction times will be different. Personality changes, due to the affects on inhibitions, judgement and reasoning are common. Some may become more jovial, behave strange but harmless, etc. Others can become depressed, anti-social and downright violent. Those changes aren't always predictable nor are they consistent. Someone can have no issues with a drug and then one day something happens. Seen that a lot with big alcohol consumers. A lot depends on the personality, state of mind, natural tendencies and mental state of the individual. Some people would always self harm, other would harm other people, in extreme situations. Drugs usually reduce an individuals ability to control and prevent extreme situations and reactions. If you worked in nightclubs, or visited and don't drink, you can observe the physical changes in people's appearances and their behavior changes as more alcohol, and possibly other drugs are consumed. You also get used to spotting which ones are likely to be trouble. We don't know how much alcohol and/or yaba this man consumed; or what his personality and tendency to violence was. Some people are violent, have violent tempers, and don't need any drug to stoke it. totally agree, i experimented with drugs in my youth, never went more than recreational use, but saw many times that drugs effect different people in different ways and there's no predicting what will happen. i always took with friends, never with strangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katatonic Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 40 minutes ago, shy coconut said: Would that be before opium was banned in London in the 1860's? Ah, ok.. Did say something to that effect in the doc, maybe just in Germany then. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katatonic Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, BeltAndRoad said: It's not because they are taking meth, it's because they don't have enough money to buy more meth. Give out meth in exchange for labor and these crack heads become workaholics. True up to a point - I had some experience with a company in HK that gave out free meth to the workers - long time ago. One guy, an electrician, didn't clock out for a month. Never stopped working. Scary on more than one level. Have to add though that it wouldn't take too long to kill someone at that rate. Edited May 2, 2020 by katatonic Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nsp64 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Been to patts. . . . The expat community is the most sad, pathetic bunch of individuals I've ever seen. They are so proud if how little they pay the girls and know where all the best happy hours are. Sad bunch of losers. This guy is a classic example, picking up girls in the street and taking drugs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadilo Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, Nsp64 said: Been to patts. . . . The expat community is the most sad, pathetic bunch of individuals I've ever seen. They are so proud if how little they pay the girls and know where all the best happy hours are. Sad bunch of losers. This guy is a classic example, picking up girls in the street and taking drugs. Wow you must of met so many on your trip to make such a sweeping statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bander Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said: Lots of money and nice house many girls and then doing something crazy like this . Life's over for him now and the police or whoever have some money and property to devide . You believe a brown envelope with signed house documents and X million bath will give him one way ticket back to England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bander Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, Nsp64 said: Been to patts. . . . The expat community is the most sad, pathetic bunch of individuals I've ever seen. They are so proud if how little they pay the girls and know where all the best happy hours are. Sad bunch of losers. This guy is a classic example, picking up girls in the street and taking drugs. You must really know "The expat community" well, maybe from the cheap Charley bars you hang out to get info where you can get cheap beer and prostitutes. Get a life man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Monday Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Walter Travolta said: They would need to be in an institution though. You couldnt have them getting zonked in a safe setting all afternoon then kick them onto the streets at 7pm. Probably cost too much though for the authorities to be bothered about How much is spent on jails, police forces, and drug enforcement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyPlatt Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, bander said: You must really know "The expat community" well, maybe from the cheap Charley bars you hang out to get info where you can get cheap beer and prostitutes. Get a life man. Unlike the real high end bars and restaurants where the high rollers go. Maybe i missed them also in all my many long trips to Pattaya. Care to share these hidden gems which you frequent in Pattaya? Just for the record my experience of Pattaya ex pats is a bunch of penny pinchers as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winky Wilson Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 This dude is Northern Irish alcoholic. Getting knifed in Northern ireland and Scotland is quite common with alcohol induced psychosys without the ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bander Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 hours ago, Kaopad999 said: There really needs to be better screening for people entering Thailand. literally anyone with a shady past, whether it be a peado, rapist, or a murderer can so easily just enter this country without any proper background checks. Sounds like you believe a big % of the murderers in Thailand are foreigners, have you got any clue how many Thais who kills their wife or friends, mostly during drug or alcohol intoxication? Thai news channels shows this scenario almost every day. Western foreigners committing murder in Thailand is not the biggest problem RTP has to deal with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharksy Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 12 hours ago, AndyAndyAndy said: Yaba is just a stronger coffee. Other article said they smoked ice. Which would be more consistent with what happened. Having sex all night, murdering someone, having accident on motorbike, screaming about murdering someone in delirium. Ya - Drug Ba - Crazy yaba is called crazy drug. I believe it is "Ice" mixed with caffeine to keep user awake even longer. Seems to be popular with long distance drivers, gogo dancers for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, sharksy said: Ya - Drug Ba - Crazy yaba is called crazy drug. I believe it is "Ice" mixed with caffeine to keep user awake even longer. Seems to be popular with long distance drivers, gogo dancers for example. The psychological effects of methamphetamine can include euphoria, dysphoria, changes in libido, alertness, apprehension and concentration, decreased sense of fatigue, insomnia or wakefulness, self-confidence, sociability, irritability, restlessness, grandiosity and repetitive and obsessive behaviors. Peculiar to methamphetamine and related stimulants is "punding", persistent non-goal-directed repetitive activity.[41] Methamphetamine use also has a high association with anxiety, depression, amphetamine psychosis, suicide, and violent behaviours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Andrew65 said: More likely that she asked him for the money owed & he refused. RIP to the lady. Yes, money likely motive, maybe she gave him some ya.ba, then wanted the money for the drug and the entertainment. He flipped, probably was a flipper anyway, she probably pressed his flip button, bad luck for her. Sad this is, Only demonstrats that lots of nutters still live in Childs Playground, Sorry to say that but that's it's nickname. If you spoke fluent Thai then you would not believe what they say about these sorts behind your back . These types unfortunately ruin all, of the good peoples reputation and fuel the enlightened one , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 So how was a 48 year old living in what looks to be a pretty nice house survive in Thailand? What was he doing for money? Too young to retired, and I know looks can be deceiving, but he doesn't look like the online tech wizard kinda guy. So how did he get an extension of stay? Many questions about this guy, apart from the fact that he brutally (allegedly) murdered a woman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 9 hours ago, pineapple01 said: Why so they say hes English when hes Irish.?. Apparently although Northern Ireland isn't in Great Britain, it's part of UK so a British Citizen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Andrew65 said: The psychological effects of methamphetamine can include euphoria, dysphoria, changes in libido, alertness, apprehension and concentration, decreased sense of fatigue, insomnia or wakefulness, self-confidence, sociability, irritability, restlessness, grandiosity and repetitive and obsessive behaviors. Peculiar to methamphetamine and related stimulants is "punding", persistent non-goal-directed repetitive activity.[41] Methamphetamine use also has a high association with anxiety, depression, amphetamine psychosis, suicide, and violent behaviours. I heard it's very addictive, does anyone know if everyone gets addicted or is it just certain people? i wonder because a falang got a girl i know onto yaba and I'm hoping there won't be a downward spiral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, sharksy said: Ya - Drug Ba - Crazy yaba is called crazy drug. I believe it is "Ice" mixed with caffeine to keep user awake even longer. Seems to be popular with long distance drivers, gogo dancers for example. Years back they had meth or some sort of amphetamine that was called "white horse". Favorite of truckers and others who drove all day, all night. Nothing new. I used to buy a few tablets of Valium before I got on an all-night bus from Loei to Bangkok on those 2 lane roads. Edited May 2, 2020 by Damrongsak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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