Malaria drug touted by Trump for coronavirus fails another test

[Mick501]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

"supported by fact".  Please provide that fact and its source.

A few facts about President Trump which are evidence of a high IQ, which you may not know:

 

1.  President Trump is the President 

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

21 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

A few facts about President Trump which are evidence of a high IQ, which you may not know:

 

1.  President Trump is the President 

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Is not evidence of a high IQ

2. Isn’t even true.

 

The IQ debate could be settled by sight of Trump’s college grades, but he’s gone to great lengths to keep those secret.

[Lacessit]

44 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

A few facts about President Trump which are evidence of a high IQ, which you may not know:

 

1.  President Trump is the President 

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

 

 

 

 

Trump has had six corporate bankruptcies, hardly evidence of ridiculous business success. His success lay more in dudding people who invested with him or worked for him.

I have no doubt his IQ is more than average, it's an attribute of high functioning sociopaths. What I can't understand, with this intelligence advantage, is why he manages to say such stupid things.

[TeaMonkey]

I don’t think this drug should be dismissed. It seems important that it is combined with zinc. 
 

“Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.“
 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

 

[Saint Nick]

1 hour ago, Mick501 said:

 

A few facts about President Trump which are evidence of a high IQ, which you may not know:

 

1.  President Trump is the President 

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

 

 

1.  President Trump is the President ...nothing to do with his IQ, but the missing IQ of the people, who voted for him!

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

(Fixed that one for you! You are welcome!)

[Rimmer]

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[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Mick501 said:

A few facts about President Trump which are evidence of a high IQ, which you may not know:

 

1.  President Trump is the President 

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

1.  Trump is a talented self-promoter and con-man.  However that only requires he be a little more intelligent than his marks.

2.  Trump was born rich, bankrupted many businesses, got back on his feet with the help of a notorious money-laundering bank, and is secretive about his finances.  I'll believe he's rich when he releases his tax returns and other financial information.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, TeaMonkey said:

I don’t think this drug should be dismissed. It seems important that it is combined with zinc. 
 

“Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.“
 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

 

You found one pre-print, non-peer reviewed study that is incredibly scant on details (where was this study conducted?  How many patients were involved?  Was there a control group?).  I'm not convinced.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

4 hours ago, Mick501 said:

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

 

 

 

 

 

How can that be verified when the guy still cant seem to get it together enough to release his taxes (the great 5 year audit that never ends)...although he did seem to have enough coin to pay Stormy Daniels' price for short time and hush time, I guess that could be considered one of those "multiple fields". (I am a Chanel Preston fan myself)

[Mick501]

1 hour ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

How can that be verified when the guy still cant seem to get it together enough to release his taxes (the great 5 year audit that never ends)...although he did seem to have enough coin to pay Stormy Daniels' price for short time and hush time, I guess that could be considered one of those "multiple fields". (I am a Chanel Preston fan myself)

Please advise when we can all collect our free New York penthouses?

[Mick501]

4 hours ago, Saint Nick said:

 

1.  President Trump is the President ...nothing to do with his IQ, but the missing IQ of the people, who voted for him!

2.  President Trump is a ridiculously successful business person who has succeeded in multiple fields 

(Fixed that one for you! You are welcome!)

Maybe you should have fixed the "ly" on ridiculous too.  Otherwise like a 200b hooker, the job won't be properly finished.

 

in all seriousness though, you really don't consider owning corporations and becoming president to be successful?  You sure must have had one seriously impressive career!

[Mick501]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump has had six corporate bankruptcies, hardly evidence of ridiculous business success. His success lay more in dudding people who invested with him or worked for him.

I have no doubt his IQ is more than average, it's an attribute of high functioning sociopaths. What I can't understand, with this intelligence advantage, is why he manages to say such stupid things.

I defer to you as an expert on saying stupid things.

[Mick501]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

1.  Trump is a talented self-promoter and con-man.  However that only requires he be a little more intelligent than his marks.

2.  Trump was born rich, bankrupted many businesses, got back on his feet with the help of a notorious money-laundering bank, and is secretive about his finances.  I'll believe he's rich when he releases his tax returns and other financial information.

Do you believe he is President?

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Do you believe he is President?

Yes, just as George Bush Jr was President.  Do you think Bush's inherited wealth and electoral college win makes him a high IQ individual?  Do you think Trump would agree?

[Crazy Alex]

On 5/10/2020 at 8:32 AM, Tie Dye Samurai said:

The "LIberal" is not the freaking POTUS on a world stage with an entire nation looking to him for guidance...your boy is up there "riffing" about injecting Mr Clean and shining high powered light through the skin "or some other means". 

 

Stop defending this, he screwed up and you are screwing up by trying to defend it. Think about your own credibility before you go any further defending that nonsense. 

Your post is extremely dishonest. No one is talking about injecting Mr. Clean.

[The Barmbeker]

15 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Maybe you should have fixed the "ly" on ridiculous too.  Otherwise like a 200b hooker, the job won't be properly finished.

 

in all seriousness though, you really don't consider owning corporations and becoming president to be successful?  You sure must have had one seriously impressive career!

He inherited most (if not all) of his wealth and he ruined several of his endevours!

Casinos, and airline, a vodka- brand etc.

Nope...not impressed!

And to become the head of a nation of dotards, through a voting system that is flawed beyond believe AND with a program of demonstrable lies - not as in :politicians lie,,,but as in "Jesus, you actually believed that BS!?"...nah...also not impressed!

[rabas]

20 hours ago, TeaMonkey said:

I don’t think this drug should be dismissed. It seems important that it is combined with zinc. 
 

“Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.“
 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1

It's been researched and known for 10 years that Zn⁺⁺  (zinc) kills SARS like corona viruses in human cells. Zinc however can't get into cells and chloroquine is able to transport the zinc into cells. Proved by numerous experiments. 

 

The zinc kills the virus. It does so by inhibiting the virus from unpacking genes it needs for replication.  All this was known 10 years before Trump. The few trials prior to Trump were also successful.

 

The day after Trump the entire main stream media completely destroyed chloroquine. 

 

So the question is, why is zinc no used in current trials, knowing that most people have a significant zinc shortage?

 

https://chriswoollamshealthwatch.com/your-illness/general-health/potential-covid-19-treatment-chloroquine/

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

It's been researched and known for 10 years that Zn⁺⁺  (zinc) kills SARS like corona viruses in human cells. Zinc however can't get into cells and chloroquine is able to transport the zinc into cells. Proved by numerous experiments. 

 

The zinc kills the virus. It does so by inhibiting the virus from unpacking genes it needs for replication.  All this was known 10 years before Trump. The few trials prior to Trump were also successful.

 

The day after Trump the entire main stream media completely destroyed chloroquine. 

 

So the question is, why is zinc no used in current trials, knowing that most people have a significant zinc shortage?

 

https://chriswoollamshealthwatch.com/your-illness/general-health/potential-covid-19-treatment-chloroquine/

Strange question in a post about zinc being used in a trial.

[Mick501]

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yes, just as George Bush Jr was President.  Do you think Bush's inherited wealth and electoral college win makes him a high IQ individual?  Do you think Trump would agree?

Can't say I ever met the guy, so can't comment on what he may think.  But Bush has been estimated with an IQ of 125 (top 5 %) by a credible study of estimates of all US presidents, which was done during the Bush administration.   He was near the bottom from memory.   Google IQ of US presidents.

 

think you'd be hard pressed to make a case that Bush is smarter than Trump.

 

Oh, and Trump did outwit and outmanoeuvre Hilary and the Dems even with their support from the overwhelming media majority.   If you think he's dumb, what does that say about the Dems?

[heybruce]

6 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Can't say I ever met the guy, so can't comment on what he may think.  But Bush has been estimated with an IQ of 125 (top 5 %) by a credible study of estimates of all US presidents, which was done during the Bush administration.   He was near the bottom from memory.   Google IQ of US presidents.

 

think you'd be hard pressed to make a case that Bush is smarter than Trump.

 

Oh, and Trump did outwit and outmanoeuvre Hilary and the Dems even with their support from the overwhelming media majority.   If you think he's dumb, what does that say about the Dems?

"credible study of estimates of all US presidents"?  Can you be more specific?

 

I don't know who is dumber, Bush or Trump.  However I definitely think Bush is less of a baby.

 

What measure did you use to arrive at "the overwhelming media majority"?  All the 24 hour news networks gave Trump priceless free publicity in their pursuit of ratings.  Fox, Breitbart, InfoWars, etc. became full time Trump propaganda channels after it became clear he would have the Republican nomination.  They still are his full time propaganda channels.

[rabas]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Strange question in a post about zinc being used in a trial.

Rather odd comment considering zinc was not used in the OP trial. Didn't read my post?

 

The study for your reading pleasure. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

Rather odd comment considering zinc was not used in the OP trial. Didn't read my post?

 

The study for your reading pleasure. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410

Zinc was used in the trial the post you replied to was about. A reply in which you asked why zinc was not used in trials.

Edited May 12, 2020 by stevenl

[rabas]

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Zinc was used in the trial the post you replied to was about. A reply in which you asked why zinc was not used in trials.

OK.

 

My statement was many current trials are not using zinc, which is true. It is seldom mentioned.

 

The article I posted discussed the need for zinc and a few trials that are using it. Basically to emphasize the need to consider zinc.

 

I could have been clearer!

[johnnybangkok]

17 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Do you believe he is President?

I think we are all fidning that really hard to believe.

[Mick501]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think we are all fidning that really hard to believe.

Living proof that the ability to cope with reality is not essential for life, let alone forum posts.   

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Living proof that the ability to cope with reality is not essential for life, let alone forum posts.   

The only proof here is that a play on words is well above your head.

Just for clarification since you seem to need it spelled out; we understand the reality he is POTUS. We just can't believe it (get it?)

[Crazy Alex]

9 hours ago, The Barmbeker said:

He inherited most (if not all) of his wealth and he ruined several of his endevours!

Casinos, and airline, a vodka- brand etc.

Nope...not impressed!

And to become the head of a nation of dotards, through a voting system that is flawed beyond believe AND with a program of demonstrable lies - not as in :politicians lie,,,but as in "Jesus, you actually believed that BS!?"...nah...also not impressed!

Factually incorrect. Fred Trump's estate was worth approximately $300 million.

 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/mar/07/did-donald-trump-inherit-100-million/

 

Assuming Trump got ALL of that, he still increased his net worth to $3.1 billion.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_of_Donald_Trump

 

Given most businesses fail and most lottery winners are broke within 7 years, obviously Trump has done well- to people who can think and observe facts.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Mick501]

29 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

What is it with Trump fans and their obsession with always reverting to the 'winning'. It's the kind of thing you did when you were a kid.  

And other famous 'wins' that didn't work out too well include;- electing the Nazi party, thinking Pol Pot was good for Cambodia, Idi Amin becoming President of Uganda, Pinochet and Chile etc, etc

'Winning' isn't always the be all and end all. But you just keep beating that drum 

If your campaign to change the constitution so that the team who throws the biggest tantrum wins, Dems will be unbeatable.

[Crazy Alex]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

What is it with Trump fans and their obsession with always reverting to the 'winning'. It's the kind of thing you did when you were a kid.  

And other famous 'wins' that didn't work out too well include;- electing the Nazi party, thinking Pol Pot was good for Cambodia, Idi Amin becoming President of Uganda, Pinochet and Chile etc, etc

'Winning' isn't always the be all and end all. But you just keep beating that drum 

Much of life is about winning or losing. That's the way it is. Not everyone buys into the "everyone gets a trophy!" mentality. So yes, it's often about winning- especially when it's about defeating liberalism.

[johnnybangkok]

18 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Much of life is about winning or losing. That's the way it is. Not everyone buys into the "everyone gets a trophy!" mentality. So yes, it's often about winning- especially when it's about defeating liberalism.

It must great to have everything so clearly black and white. Makes life easier and requires less thought.