In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Suggest you stop (incorrectly) calling it the China Virus then.  Unless you are happy for us all to call the 1918 flu epidemic the American Virus.

 

PH

Names are what they are. Why are you only concerned about it being called the "Chinese virus"? It seems many leftists are very sensitive to any criticism of China and the CCP. Many people find that interesting at the very least.

[Crazy Alex]

2 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So is Schumer the Head of the Federal Government now?  Good to know!

 

PH

No, I didn't say it and don't believe it. Not only that, there doesn't seem to be a rational basis for you to make such a claim. Anyone can stand on the sideline and yell "fire!" That doesn't make them any sort of leader. Now, if you'd like to portray Schumer or other Democrats as leaders, show us all their alternative plans for handling the virus as events unfolded. THAT would be leadership.

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

But you keep claiming that Trump stopped travel from China.  Now you say he restricted it. 

 

If you can show me where I have ever said that Trump "stopped travel from china" Ill never post on here again. 

 

4 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Suggest you stop (incorrectly) calling it the China Virus then.

 

It literally is the China Virus. It originated in China, it was spread in China, the Chinese attempted to cover it up, and exported the Chinese Virus all over the planet, stacking bodies in every western nation. 

So im sure you know where you can stick your "suggestion" 

 

6 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Unless you are happy for us all to call the 1918 flu epidemic the American Virus.

 

You can call it whatever you like, but it wouldn't be true, and you'd be denying science and history. 

[ChouDoufu]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

It appears the reverse is true. Schumer babbled about a National emergency and Trump actually did something. It would like if there were a fire, you cried fire and I went to put the fire out. You figure you deserve all the credit.

the point is people are arguing semantics.

 

schumer notices a lot of smoke and cinders blowing across town.  he calls for the boss to send the fire brigade.

 

a week later, the boss finally gets around to sending help.

 

six weeks later, some people point out that had the boss sent the fire brigade in time, half of one city district would not have burned down.

 

in response, defenders of the boss point out that the fire department was belatedly sent.

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You wanna play word game semantics... Schumer was addressing the coming CV crisis while Trump was ignoring it and claiming nothing was going to happen. Heading toward 100,000 dead Americans proves just how deadly wrong Trump was about that.'

 

The federal declaration Schumer was seeking at the time would have freed up additional federal funds to prepare for what at the time was the approaching CV pandemic. Trump did nothing, no declaration was made at the federal level until mid March, and time and opportunity was wasted.

 

 

Wow, a declaration. I hereby declare coronavirus is very serious! OK, now what? You're still stuck with Schumer and others sitting on the sidelines doing nothing but whining while Trump took action. Now... if you have evidence of Schumer and/or other Democrats calling for specific actions to occur as events unfolded, let's see it. Standing at the sideline whining doesn't count for SQUAT.

[Crazy Alex]

3 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

the point is people are arguing semantics.

 

schumer notices a lot of smoke and cinders blowing across town.  he calls for the boss to send the fire brigade.

 

a week later, the boss finally gets around to sending help.

 

six weeks later, some people point out that had the boss sent the fire brigade in time, half of one city district would not have burned down.

 

in response, defenders of the boss point out that the fire department was belatedly sent.

What should Trump have acted on? Schumer doing his usual, inane whining or actual health experts?

[Phulublub]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Names are what they are. Why are you only concerned about it being called the "Chinese virus"? It seems many leftists are very sensitive to any criticism of China and the CCP. Many people find that interesting at the very least.

I am not concerned at all about calling it the China Virusas long as we are all consistent.  The "Spanish Flu" orginated (most likely) in the USA.  That's it.

 

And, just FYI, I am not particularly "leftist".  Never Trumper, sure.  Leftist?  Not really.

 

PH

[Mama Noodle]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

It seems many leftists are very sensitive to any criticism of China and the CCP. Many people find that interesting at the very least.

 

I find it utterly fascinating at times and infuriating at other times. There are people out there (bunch on this board) who will defend China and cover for China if it means they can get political points out of it. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The NPR article quoted above has a summary introduction paragraph that helps cut to the core of the discussion (though others can argue that China measure alone wasn't especially effective):

 

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Although Trump's partial ban on travelers from China is seen by many as having bought time for the U.S. to prepare, coronavirus testing failures obscured the severity of the outbreak here and hampered efforts to contain its spread. By the time the deadly scope of the virus came into focus, it was too late for containment, and mitigation shutdowns brought a heavy economic toll.

 

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The NPR article quoted above has a summary introduction paragraph that helps cut to the core of the discussion (though others can argue that China measure alone wasn't especially effective):

 

 

Woulda shoulda coulda. So why didn't any Democrats call for more testing back then to prevent this failure?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So is Schumer the Head of the Federal Government now?  Good to know!

 

PH

 

And in charge of HHS, CDC, CBP too!!!  How does he ever find time to be a Senator!

 

[Phulublub]

7 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

14 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Unless you are happy for us all to call the 1918 flu epidemic the American Virus.

 

You can call it whatever you like, but it wouldn't be true, and you'd be denying science and history. 

Suggest you go and look at some history books.

 

PH

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

Woulda shoulda coulda. So why didn't any Democrats call for more testing back then to prevent this failure?

 they did and have been pretty much all along...with the administration making a lot of promises of ramping up that they never quite achieved.

 

[Phulublub]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

13 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So is Schumer the Head of the Federal Government now?  Good to know!

 

PH

 

And in charge of HHS, CDC, CBP too!!!  How does he ever find time to be a Senator!

Probably overloaded, which is why the PPE cupboard was bare for the last three and a half years....

[Sujo]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Woulda shoulda coulda. So why didn't any Democrats call for more testing back then to prevent this failure?

Perhaps you should ask why trump didnt.

[WalkingOrders]

50 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I stand corrected... thank you.... So Trump finally did act a week after Schumer on the 26th had called for a public health emergency.

 

But Trump still didn't declare a national emergency until mid March after many weeks of denying the CV was going to become any major problem for the U.S.

 

Time wasted and opportunity lost. 

 

 

And then didn't do anything for the rest of the world's countries until he finally got around to declaring the European restrictions, long after many travelers from there had had the opportunity to import the virus to the East Coast.

I think the NYC problem can be down to one thing alone. Extremely crowded trains with non-masked people - they took it all over NYC and also back to NJ on the trains. The air is not well circulated, the trains halt often, no masks. And away it went. Anyone who has ever lived in NYC would see this plain as day. Should I blame the local authorities? Perhaps. Did the Federal Govt get it wrong? Perhaps, but that does not clear the local mayor and Governor of blame. Nor does it clear the USA in general in allowing themselves to not have masks enough for the general public in case of such an event. I am not happy with CDC or the Surgeon general or the mayor of NYC or the Gov of NY far more then I cast blame on Trump. 

I hurt for the people of the USA and prior to moving to Thailand lived at 103rd and Broadway in Manhattan for 2 years. It's tragic but there is plenty of blame to go around. I will add that for all those that take blame there are things that they also did right. I am not playing any politics on this. Left or Right and I am a Conservative Trump supporter. 

 

We also still do not know all the mechanisms involved in the spread of this.  Do all humans stand the same risk? (aside from known risk groups) How does weather impact? Mutations? etc. I am sick of all the finger pointing, and using this for political gain. Its a National Emergency. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, WalkingOrders said:

Its a National Emergency. 

 

But our fearful leader told the the U.S. it was going to magically go away!!!!

 

Guess his crystal ball is pretty much shattered right about now.

 

[Crazy Alex]

5 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Probably overloaded, which is why the PPE cupboard was bare for the last three and a half years....

The PPE cupboard has been depleted for much longer than that.

[TommyBlue]

Where are all the negative stories about Obama and Biden ??  Why is TV full of negative stories about Trump? Yesterday the highest trending hashtag on FB and Twitter in US was #Obamagate.  Flynn has been exonerated and released, and the corruption and lies has been exposed and charges are about to be laid against the people involved - and some people even claim that Obama was directly involved.  Meanwhile, Rose McGowan and many other female Dem supporters, have quit their support for the Democrat Party over their refusal to even acknowledge the 'Biden problem'.  Rose has publicly abused the Dems the media and the women's groups like the #metoo movement, for refusing to even discuss Tara Read's sexual harassment charges against Biden, even though they have far more validity than the claims against Kavanagh or even Trump.  I have said it before and I am saying it again - I have better things to do than provide the owners of TV with my presence, for their business, by arguing with Trump haters.  I will check back again in a few days - please TV if you want my 'business' for your advertisers then at least give some balance to your media stories.  

[WalkingOrders]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

But our fearful leader told the the U.S. it was going to magically go away!!!!

 

Guess his crystal ball is pretty much shattered right about now.

 

I think you are unconcerned about the American people and more interested in being a guy who thinks he can do a better job. It's you who are looking for a magic fix. 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Its a National Emergency. 

Blame State leadership, dismiss the absence of a ‘National’ Federal response and give the National President a free pass on his dismissal of the threat and failure to act to protect the nation or provide the nation with the testing, medical PPE or medically equipment it needs. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

The PPE cupboard has been depleted for much longer than that.

And who has been the cupboard monitor these past three + years?

[ChouDoufu]

26 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

What should Trump have acted on? Schumer doing his usual, inane whining or actual health experts?

you could check schumer's press releases for a start.  is the complaint that schumer should have been running the executive branch?

 

Amid the unpredictable spread of the potentially fatal coronavirus, which has already been confirmed in three cases domestically, U.S. Senator Charles Schumer revealed today that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cannot access a special federal funding account known as the Infectious Disease Rapid Response Reserve Fund until the federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), led by Secretary Alex Azar, officially declares a “public health emergency” related to the coronavirus. Schumer, today, made the case to affirm this emergency declaration and further revealed that in the recent budget deal he just negotiated, he was able to increase the very account relevant to combatting the coronavirus from $50 million to $85 million.

 

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-reveals-cdc-cannot-access-rapid-response-dollars-that-can-help-stop-potentially-deadly-coronavirus-until-feds-declare-official-public-health-emergency-senator-urges-feds-to-make-the-declaration-now-so-cdc-can-unlock-tens-of-millions-in-the-proactive-war-to-beat-back-spread-

[Phulublub]

Good job we now have plenty of PPE masks...I hear that White House staff are now, suddenly, all wearing them.  Wonder why?  Thought they were supposed to be pointless...what's suddenly changed?

 

PH

Edited May 12, 2020 by Phulublub

[candide]

39 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Woulda shoulda coulda. So why didn't any Democrats call for more testing back then to prevent this failure?

When have they been informed there was only a very limited testing capability?

[Mama Noodle]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Im glad you dont check in too often as people get a bit tired of constantly correcting trump supporters to the facts.

 

Trump is president and keeps lying and his response to covid is chaos. Obama is not president though the majority wish he still was. Biden is not even the dem nominee yet. So trump tweeting nonsense 100 times a day is of course going to get more air time.

 

flynn was never exonerated, he admitted to lying. He was fired by trump for lying. Where was he released from?

 

Reade has indeed been interviewed and further asked to be interviewed but declined. Reade also never mentioned any sexual assault in her complaint until it looked like biden would run for pres. Let that investigation run its course.

 

Trump admitted to assaulting women and has 20 or so outstanding complaints, plus the small issue of paying off a porn star that he lied about.

 

so im glad you have better things to do. Maybe 4chan is waiting.

 

Line by line, this is verbatim the Democrat narrative on all the issues. Which is comical because the poster, smugness palatable, opens with how hes just so smart and knows all the answers. 

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

agree. This is my first activity for a few weeks because of all the hate Trump rubbish.  I think the problem is whoever it is that chooses the stories to post. I guess that person feels more responses will be obtained from negative stories about Trump, than negative stories about Obama or Biden.  Either way I have looked at TV and it is still the same stuff. I am not going to encourage it anymore by participating anymore.  Over and Out.

Two flounces in ten minutes.  Is it coincidence that (apparent) Trump supporters do this a day after DJT did much the same at a Press Conference?  The level some of his acolytes will go to ...

 

PH

[Sheryl]

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[teatime101]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

So why didn't any Democrats call for more testing back then to prevent this failure?

Democrats not being proactive enough hardly excuses the people supposedly running the country, who removed a number of programs designed to prepare the USA for a pandemic. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by teatime101

[Phulublub]

8 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

That the Spanish flu originated in the USA spread to Spain and then back to USA is pretty much considered as truth today. Or in other words common knowledge. I for one, have no problem if someone wants to call it the USA Flu. Everyone acknowledges that the name Spanish flu comes from that being the known source at the time.

 

The Chinese Bat CCP Corona laboratory virus, likewise is just that. As far as I cam concerned that is its name.

 

Truth is Truth. I am not afraid of it. Nor do I fear a totalitarian government that hides the truth from the world, spreads the virus around the world, and continues to hide needed information from the world on the origin of the virus. NOR do I shield them or write on their behalf. 

 

Close,but no cigar.  The only connection with Spain is that, during the War, Spanish press was not censored and so covered the initial outbreaks in detail.  That is pretty much the ONLY connection with Spain, and certainly why it was (and continues to be) called the Spanish Flu.

 

That Covid started in China is a good hypothesis and, very possibly true.  Whether it escaped from a lab is not proven.  At all.  What HAS pretty much been proven is that it is a naturally occuring mutation, not manufactured. 

 

I am also not afraid of truth.  And I do not shield any Government - be they totalitarian, dictatorship, or democracy when they try to create alternative "truths" to hide their own failings.

 

PH