59 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

No he did not. Now be a smart man, go look up what Flynn was charged with precisely, and what the judge said, ludicrous as it was. Then look up what the FBI said and did in this case. Flynn committed NO crime. Is a patriot. I hope he has a job waiting in the administration after Trump wins re-election, if not before.

Wanting to work for and or with DJT shows a distinct lack of not only ambition, but also ethics.

 

4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

If there ever was a time to bring up the whole pot and kettle thing.......

Go ahead tell me that the reality isn't a Democrat Party unraveling in lies being opened up on a daily basis.

 

It's like the party is a patient on an operating table having their guts pulled out in a slow agonizing death. In a room full of cheering clowns of their own leaders. It's a horror story aint it?

 

And if that aint bad enough their saviour is Joe Biden. Wonder what will drop out as the Democrat convention takes place? And the indictments are yet to drop, the rest of the Ukraine story AND the China story on Biden and Son also yet to drop. It's the END wait until they all start copping pleas!

 

Oh wait a minute....this isnt really happening right? 

 

The President really works for Russia right?

 

A firing squad wouldn't be good enough. Slow agonizing prison terms will have to do for these seditionists!

 

Or do you believe Adam Schiff? Collusion is in plain sight?

 

The pot calling the kettle black? No man, it's an attempt to remove an elected President by would be totalitarians. It's one sided and obvious criminality.

 

 

Edited May 11, 20206 yr by WalkingOrders
Clarity

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

this being a diversion to move attention away from the real problems at the WH and the low ratings as well.... as soon as this one is over he will start another one and this time will be the pardon of Roger Stones, he needs to create diversion until November

The real problems? A diversion? No man, this is real. The Democrats are done! Cooked! Everyone can see. But you evidently.

 

The entire Russian Hoax a lie. The Mueller probe all part of the scam! All predicated on a fake story dreamed up by scumbags paid 50/50 by DNC and Clinton campaign.

 

And everyday more of the dirty truth comes out.... go ahead make a joke about Trump being in Putin's pocket. It's all any of you got left is insults! God Bless America! 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pure projection.

I projected the Trump Victory.

I predicted the failure of Mueller report to result in impeachment, I predicted the failure of Impeachment to remove Trump. 3 for 3....on a roll!

From what I read and heard on the news, ( all kind) ,it is evident that Flynn was set up. There was nothing wrong about his conversation with the Russian ambassador. Anyway, his phone was tapped, so there is a transcript of the conversation. So ,the people who made a trap for Flynn knew he didn't do anything wrong. They were after Trump . Coup d'etat against duly elected president. Flynn's lie was that he didn't mention to the agents that question about sanctions against Russia was discussed in the conversation with Russian ambassador. So what. And now it is known who is behind the variety of plots designed to remove Trump. As to msm media, how it is called,it has spread incorrect news purposefully , keeping people in the dark . I can see here ,thaivisa forum, quite a few persons constantly giving their uninformed opinion, they must have been following   the wrong source of news. 

18 minutes ago, looking on the bright side said:

From what I read and heard on the news, ( all kind) ,it is evident that Flynn was set up. There was nothing wrong about his conversation with the Russian ambassador. Anyway, his phone was tapped, so there is a transcript of the conversation. So ,the people who made a trap for Flynn knew he didn't do anything wrong. They were after Trump . Coup d'etat against duly elected president. Flynn's lie was that he didn't mention to the agents that question about sanctions against Russia was discussed in the conversation with Russian ambassador. So what. And now it is known who is behind the variety of plots designed to remove Trump. As to msm media, how it is called,it has spread incorrect news purposefully , keeping people in the dark . I can see here ,thaivisa forum, quite a few persons constantly giving their uninformed opinion, they must have been following   the wrong source of news. 

The most intriguing issue is why did Flynn lie? He is an experienced intelligence and army officer. He lied to the FBI, knowing a Russian ambassador is likely to be tapped, he lied to the WH, knowing they would likely be informed about it, and he also lied to the media. Is he that naive?

15 hours ago, Sir Swagman said:

Did the judge handling this case not say it was an outright case of treason on the part of Flynn? Interesting if he ignores the completely unbiased and apolitical Justice Dept here. Sure he should go and work for an indicted coconspirator, hell, soon you could just put walls and bars around the White House.

The judge apologized for the treason rant:

 

https://lawandcrime.com/awkward/judge-quickly-backtracks-apologizes-after-floating-crazy-idea-michael-flynn-committed-treason/

 

And who is unbiased????

37 minutes ago, candide said:

The most intriguing issue is why did Flynn lie? He is an experienced intelligence and army officer. He lied to the FBI, knowing a Russian ambassador is likely to be tapped, he lied to the WH, knowing they would likely be informed about it, and he also lied to the media. Is he that naive?

Yes, he was that naive to think that the FBI wouldn't set up people and intentionally trick them into process crimes out of political desperation.

Hi Candide, I said Flynn's lie was he DIDN'T MENTION he discussed the sanctions with the Russian ambassador to the agents. I guess you don't know that the same agents just asked Flynn to give them a report about the talk, they never told him he was under an investigation, because there wasn't any investigation. Later , he was threatened and blackmailed into admitting that he lied . Just because he didn't mention that part of his conversation in an unofficial questioning. 

Is it your name Candide borrowed from Voltaire's title? Read more of Voltaire , the great man's wit will give you a guide to enlightment

6 hours ago, looking on the bright side said:

From what I read and heard on the news, ( all kind) ,it is evident that Flynn was set up. There was nothing wrong about his conversation with the Russian ambassador. Anyway, his phone was tapped, so there is a transcript of the conversation. So ,the people who made a trap for Flynn knew he didn't do anything wrong. They were after Trump . Coup d'etat against duly elected president. Flynn's lie was that he didn't mention to the agents that question about sanctions against Russia was discussed in the conversation with Russian ambassador. So what. And now it is known who is behind the variety of plots designed to remove Trump. As to msm media, how it is called,it has spread incorrect news purposefully , keeping people in the dark . I can see here ,thaivisa forum, quite a few persons constantly giving their uninformed opinion, they must have been following   the wrong source of news. 

And at the same time they were investigating Clinton and by releasing information on that investigation possibly handed Trump the election, for sure assisted him with his win. So why the hatred now for FBI etc, when they were investigating both sides of the aisle? IMO totally unjustified.

One more fact - coming from the news source which has shown truly correct and unbiased attitude as to what is going on in this 'Remove Trump from WH saga - It was Flynn's phone that was tapped, so all his conversation with Trump have been under surveillance. This is bigger than Watergate scandal.

I am not US citizen, don't want to often post my comments about the country which is not mine .But when I see what is going on there and to what length  the corrupted Dems. are prepared to go in their bid to remove the duly elected president , I wonder what is awaiting other countries in the future if the Dems. succeed. Hell , I guess

Hillary Clinton has never been truly investigated by FBI.  FBI never investigated Clinton's hacked email. It was Crowd Strike that conducted an investigation , and recently they came up with very inconclusive results. There is no proof that Clinton's emails were hacked, that is sure, how the emails reached Wikileaks, they can't say, or they don't want to say. I always check all the news.  

1 hour ago, looking on the bright side said:

Hi Candide, I said Flynn's lie was he DIDN'T MENTION he discussed the sanctions with the Russian ambassador to the agents. I guess you don't know that the same agents just asked Flynn to give them a report about the talk, they never told him he was under an investigation, because there wasn't any investigation. Later , he was threatened and blackmailed into admitting that he lied . Just because he didn't mention that part of his conversation in an unofficial questioning. 

Is it your name Candide borrowed from Voltaire's title? Read more of Voltaire , the great man's wit will give you a guide to enlightment

Blackmailed?  No, Flynn plead guilty to lying as part of a plea deal - in exchange for agreeing to cooperate with the Mueller investigation, he could avoid much more severe charges related to "Flynn Intel" for himself and his son.

 

Flynn sat in on classified national security briefings with then-candidate Trump at the same time that Flynn was working for foreign clients. He did not disclose he was working for foreign clients. He was paid  to serve as a consultant to a U.S.-Russian project to build 40 nuclear reactors across the Middle East. He was paid by Turkey to act as a consultant, and at the very least, sat in on discussions to help Turkey kidnap a US person on US soil while reporting none of this. 

 

These are all crimes that he can, and almost certainly, will be charged with in the future. He should have stuck with his original agreement.  But I'm not sure how bright he is.

 

 

11 minutes ago, looking on the bright side said:

Hillary Clinton has never been truly investigated by FBI.  FBI never investigated Clinton's hacked email. It was Crowd Strike that conducted an investigation , and recently they came up with very inconclusive results. There is no proof that Clinton's emails were hacked, that is sure, how the emails reached Wikileaks, they can't say, or they don't want to say. I always check all the news.  

"There is no proof that Clinton's emails were hacked".............how else. Did the MSM ask her nicely to hand over her private emails to them. Did Trump ask her to send them to Putin who passed them to Assange who "Leaked" them just when the "Grab them by the pussy" thing was damaging him.

Lying is rewarded and encouraged in the Trump Administration. So why would Pence's answer be any different. Everyone there looks to Trump as the master liar and he expects the same of those around him.

 

1 hour ago, looking on the bright side said:

Hi Candide, I said Flynn's lie was he DIDN'T MENTION he discussed the sanctions with the Russian ambassador to the agents. I guess you don't know that the same agents just asked Flynn to give them a report about the talk, they never told him he was under an investigation, because there wasn't any investigation. Later , he was threatened and blackmailed into admitting that he lied . Just because he didn't mention that part of his conversation in an unofficial questioning. 

Is it your name Candide borrowed from Voltaire's title? Read more of Voltaire , the great man's wit will give you a guide to enlightment

candide has been on the other Flynn thread in which I replicated much of the evidence that has come to light since Attorney General William Barr appointed an outside prosecutor, Jeffrey Jensen, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri from St. Louis to review the criminal case against former national security advisor Michael Flynn.

 

This includes Van Grack's crime of deliberately withholding Brady material . . . information which is exculpatory to the defendant and would prove his innocence . . . while at the same time swearing in court to Judge Sullivan that no such information exists.

 

This includes a full explanation of the Giglio violation, in which Van Grack illegally cut a side deal with Flynn's former attorneys from Covington Burling, the firm Eric Holder joined after his stint as U.S. AG under Obama, and hid it from Flynn and Judge Sullivan.

 

This includes detailed explanations of the way in which Flynn was set-up and why he was set up.  Flynn knew where all of the "bodies were buried" in the then fully corrupt intelligence agencies under Obama and the criminals knew that has the new Director of National Intelligence Flynn would have access to everything the Obama administration, FBI and CIA have done regarding the Russian collusion hoax.  He had to be taken out.  The set up is fully detailed.

 

This included pointing out in detail that the set-up included interviewing Flynn on a phone call with Kislyak for which they already had a transcript, for which the FBI had already determined that nothing untoward occurred on that phone call.  The interview itself had no relevancy to any investigation as the FBI already stated as they were ready to close the case on Flynn in late December/early January 2017.  That closing report stated factually that Flynn was no longer a person of interest and his case had no bearing under the umbrella of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

 

This included the fact that as to Flynn's lie regarding the phone call to Kislyak the government has to this day withheld the audio and the transcript of the call from Flynn's attorneys and Judge Sullivan.

 

This includes an explanation of why Flynn lied as they were threatening his son with bogus charges.  The government had already bankrupted Flynn and forced him into a plea by holding his son ransom.

 

On and on and on.

 

Candide was on that thread during the time I posted all of that information.  Ditto for some of the other liberal posters on this thread.  Yet despite being apprised of all of the facts above, for which they never once provided a valid counter argument against, for which they never once spoke out against the governments now proven criminal behaviour, here they today on another thread spewing the same misinformation about the case and feigning complete ignorance.

 

As I said in my first post on this thread, the entire OP is a complete sham of an article as none . . . none of the above information, which is absolutely critical in gaining a true understanding of the Flynn case, is presented within the argument.  The article instead is suggestive only of the narrative that the motive for the dropping of the Flynn case was purely political and a result of a corrupt U.S. Attorney General William Barr.  The entire article should be deleted.

Edited May 12, 20206 yr by Tippaporn

25 minutes ago, looking on the bright side said:

One more fact - coming from the news source which has shown truly correct and unbiased attitude as to what is going on in this 'Remove Trump from WH saga - It was Flynn's phone that was tapped, so all his conversation with Trump have been under surveillance. This is bigger than Watergate scandal.

I am not US citizen, don't want to often post my comments about the country which is not mine .But when I see what is going on there and to what length  the corrupted Dems. are prepared to go in their bid to remove the duly elected president , I wonder what is awaiting other countries in the future if the Dems. succeed. Hell , I guess

That is straight from Devin Nunes's insane and ignorant dross with equal contribution from you. It is shocking for Nunes as the chair of the House Intelligence Committee not to understand intelligence gathering. Phone calls are wire tappable by virtue of Congress's Communications Assistance to the Law Enforcement Act of 1994. Flynn was talking to a foreign agent in the form of Kislyak who was an agent of foreign power and was therefore targeted and subject to surveillance. Flynn violated the Logan Act that prohibit private individual to talk with a foreign government on foreign policy contrary to the interest of US. Lastly the wire tapped was done before Trump officially took office.  

As there was no Russian collusion to begin with the Flynn investigation proves to be a sham that should have never started.

The Washington Examiner - Richard Grenell delivers 'satchel' of documents to DOJ that shatter Schiff collusion claims: Report

 

After the House Intelligence Committee released dozens of witness transcripts from its investigation into Russian election interference on Thursday, Fox News chief White House correspondent Ed Henry reported two sources told him acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell is prepared to unveil additional documents that will show how Chairman Adam Schiff and other investigators "knew for a long time there was no collusion" between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin "even though they kept saying they had direct evidence."

 

If there never was collusion then what the h3ll were they doing investigating Flynn?

This is what the liberals here are attempting to do . . . 

 

Imagine a hypothetical case of murder.  A culprit is caught, tried, a confession is wrought, convicted, and sent to prison.  Years later the true murderer is caught and he confesses.  His DNA confirms his guilt.  What happens to whatever testimony, evidence which was used to convict the innocent man?  It's obvious, ain't it?

 

As the actual truth comes out, first drip by drip but now at seeming avalanche speed, what happens to the old evidence in the Flynn case?  In this hypothetical case the liberals here would still insist that the innocent man was indeed guilty while screaming, "But he confessed."

 

It's a denial of reality.  In this case it's the liberals extreme, biased hatred for Trump and any and all associated with or supportive of Trump.  These people are truly sick.

13 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

Go ahead tell me that the reality isn't a Democrat Party unraveling in lies being opened up on a daily basis.

Consider yourself having been told.

55 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

This is what the liberals here are attempting to do . . . 

 

Imagine a hypothetical case of murder.  A culprit is caught, tried, a confession is wrought, convicted, and sent to prison.  Years later the true murderer is caught and he confesses.  His DNA confirms his guilt.  What happens to whatever testimony, evidence which was used to convict the innocent man?  It's obvious, ain't it?

 

As the actual truth comes out, first drip by drip but now at seeming avalanche speed, what happens to the old evidence in the Flynn case?  In this hypothetical case the liberals here would still insist that the innocent man was indeed guilty while screaming, "But he confessed."

 

It's a denial of reality.  In this case it's the liberals extreme, biased hatred for Trump and any and all associated with or supportive of Trump.  These people are truly sick.

First - Using the label "liberal" is an automatic setup for "us vs them" rather than discussing an issue to get to the truth.

Second - Using a hypothetical is merely an embellishment of your imagination.

Third - you deny the reality of Flynn's confession. The judge was very clear when accepting his guilty plea that Flynn understood exactly what he was doing.

Tippaporn has posted the best comment I have read here, based on true and confirmed facts, that's it. 

The negative replies to it now look like bubbles.

18 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

OK then. You go on living in your alternate bubble universe and those who're not deluded can keep on living in the real world. There's certainly no point arguing with you because for you Trump can do no wrong and any and all criticism of his blatant abhorrent and criminal behavior is just "fake news!". 

You cannot - I repeat CANNOT - argue using facts with Trump supporters. I read the Mueller report, most of us saw the testimony given by career civil servants who dealt with this very subject, it happened. We are absolutely living in an Orwellian doublespeak existence. I just don't get the cult of personality when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

19 minutes ago, J Town said:

You cannot - I repeat CANNOT - argue using facts with Trump supporters. I read the Mueller report, most of us saw the testimony given by career civil servants who dealt with this very subject, it happened. We are absolutely living in an Orwellian doublespeak existence. I just don't get the cult of personality when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

I totally agree with you J Town, and I posted a snippet from Mueller's testimony a few posts ago, but the same denials came out, even though it was plainly written and spoken by Mueller himself.

 

It baffles me beyond anything else I've ever known or seen; that people who can see, read and understand the antics and lies of trump and co, then try to argue that no such thing exists/never happened/was never said, etc.

 

At first I thought they were doing it as a "windup", when they actually knew full well the real story, but the more I see of the posts, the more I realise that this isn't the case.

 

You state that "I just don't get the cult of personality" and if that's what it is, then I don't understand it either, not when the real facts are out there for all to see.

 

Long gone are the days when intelligent discourse between politicians, based on facts, was the order of the day and certainly this president and his supporters have taken what should be a revered position, to the absolute depths.
 

9 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, he was that naive to think that the FBI wouldn't set up people and intentionally trick them into process crimes out of political desperation.

Pence also tricked him.

36 minutes ago, J Town said:

You cannot - I repeat CANNOT - argue using facts with Trump supporters. I read the Mueller report, most of us saw the testimony given by career civil servants who dealt with this very subject, it happened. We are absolutely living in an Orwellian doublespeak existence. I just don't get the cult of personality when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

It's because cults do not rely on empirical evidence. In fact, empirical evidence and facts are antithetical to cults. Hence the "alternative" facts and the obsession with conspiracy theories.

When reality doesn't support your narrative then some resort to creating their own.

14 hours ago, WalkingOrders said:

The real problems? A diversion? No man, this is real. The Democrats are done! Cooked! Everyone can see. But you evidently.

 

The entire Russian Hoax a lie. The Mueller probe all part of the scam! All predicated on a fake story dreamed up by scumbags paid 50/50 by DNC and Clinton campaign.

 

And everyday more of the dirty truth comes out.... go ahead make a joke about Trump being in Putin's pocket. It's all any of you got left is insults! God Bless America! 

sooner then later you will wake up and face reality, be ready because it isn't pretty

Off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

10 hours ago, candide said:

The most intriguing issue is why did Flynn lie?

am sure  @WalkingOrders has a reliable answer to that

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

am sure  @WalkingOrders has a reliable answer to that

State what Flynn's lie was. State it in the clearest of terms and I will give you a response.