teatime101 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) Vaccination misinformation is spreading, not unlike a virus. The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views Distrust in scientific expertise1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 is dangerous. Opposition to vaccination with a future vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the causal agent of COVID-19, for example, could amplify outbreaks2,3,4, as happened for measles in 20195,6. Homemade remedies7,8 and falsehoods are being shared widely on the Internet, as well as dismissals of expert advice9,10,11. There is a lack of understanding about how this distrust evolves at the system level13,14. Here we provide a map of the contention surrounding vaccines that has emerged from the global pool of around three billion Facebook users. Its core reveals a multi-sided landscape of unprecedented intricacy that involves nearly 100 million individuals partitioned into highly dynamic, interconnected clusters across cities, countries, continents and languages. Although smaller in overall size, anti-vaccination clusters manage to become highly entangled with undecided clusters in the main online network, whereas pro-vaccination clusters are more peripheral. Our theoretical framework reproduces the recent explosive growth in anti-vaccination views, and predicts that these views will dominate in a decade. Insights provided by this framework can inform new policies and approaches to interrupt this shift to negative views. Our results challenge the conventional thinking about undecided individuals in issues of contention surrounding health, shed light on other issues of contention such as climate change11, and highlight the key role of network cluster dynamics in multi-species ecologies15. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2281-1?referringSource=articleShare Edited May 14, 2020 by teatime101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yuyiinthesky Posted May 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, teatime101 said: Vaccination misinformation is spreading, not unlike a virus. The online competition between pro- and anti-vaccination views What is that supposed to say? There is no Covid-19 vaccine, and there might never be, at least not for a long time. Keep in mind that there is no vaccine for any corona virus yet. So whatever competition you talk about, it is irrelevant. For me this is not about pro or contra vaccine, so all that does not bother me. For me this is about Bill Gates not being trustworthy. And to repeat my non-vaccine example: If his charity pushes genetically modified rice to farmers, making them dependent on buying seeds from Monsanto, and is at the same time shareholder of Monsanto, benefitting from Monsanto's success, then this is not charity, but cheating, bad, and not making him a trustworthy philanthropist. So if this guy now preaches that we all have to take his coming vaccine, I will check that vaccine very very carefully (if it ever comes). Feel free to queue for it to be the first to take it, but you won't find me in that queue. On top of that, more and more people don't need any Covid-19 vaccine anymore, having been infected and recovered. If a vaccine works, than obviously a recovery from an infection works better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, luckyluke said: Is a face shield allowed in lieu of a mask? Some bars in malaysia have now opened, at the bar today all staff were wearing a face shield, some wearing both mask and shield. What i find interesting is that hundreds of thousands are sick and dead yet some on here think their biggest problem in the world is that they have to wear a mask. Sick and dead and some starving yet people on here think its the end of the world that they have to wear a mask. Oh what an inconvenience. Edited May 14, 2020 by Sujo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sujo said: What i find interesting is that hundreds of thousands are sick and dead yet some on here think their biggest problem in the world is that they have to wear a mask. Why should I care about someone I've never met? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teatime101 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, yuyiinthesky said: For me this is about Bill Gates not being trustworthy. Bill Gates may be naive getting involved with Monsanto and Cargill, but they are very small investments for him. I don't see any evidence that it's about him wanting more power or wealth. His foundation is about improving health, opportunities for education and saving lives in underdeveloped nations. It's not relevant to this discussion, though. I'd rather focus on his involvement in developing a vaccine for covid19 in 18 months, rather than the usual 5 years. The vaccine will be developed by scientists, not by Bill Gates, so the risks will all be on them, not him. You can read what he has to say about it here: https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/What-you-need-to-know-about-the-COVID-19-vaccine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessman Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said: For me this is about Bill Gates not being trustworthy. And to repeat my non-vaccine example: If his charity pushes genetically modified rice to farmers, making them dependent on buying seeds from Monsanto, and is at the same time shareholder of Monsanto, benefitting from Monsanto's success, then this is not charity, but cheating, bad, and not making him a trustworthy philanthropist. You’re making a lot of assumptions here. look here - https://www.unicef.org/philippines/child-survival 95 children dying a day in the Philippines from malnutrition. having a type of rice that provided more nutrition may actually be a good thing. the arguments about GMO crops run deep and I’m sympathetic to them but it’s amazing to me that you can be so sure he has nefarious motives in these actions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) Answer A: Not until long after the Thai government, the now discredited WHO and the politically compromised U.S. CDC among others tell the world it's safe to stop. Not until LONG after.... Answer B: By the time the virus possibly subsides in the future, if it ever does, it once again will be the annual horrible air pollution season in Thailand where anyone with any respect for their health ought to be wearing an N95 mask outdoors to protect their lungs from very serious PM2.5 air pollution. Edited May 14, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foexie Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 NEVER! If my day has come i die and if not i will go on this pathetic life. If our time has come we will go what ever happends 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/13/2020 at 2:47 PM, Jingthing said: Secondly it will take years to produce enough of it to actually give it to the sensible people that want it. Actually, sensible people will wait till they see if it's safe to use. The companies are in a race to be the first as they know it'll be worth untold billions for them. Rushed medicines are not necessarily safe. The guinea pigs will be those that are the first to use them, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 3:18 AM, chessman said: You’re making a lot of assumptions here. look here - https://www.unicef.org/philippines/child-survival 95 children dying a day in the Philippines from malnutrition. having a type of rice that provided more nutrition may actually be a good thing. the arguments about GMO crops run deep and I’m sympathetic to them but it’s amazing to me that you can be so sure he has nefarious motives in these actions. Perhaps children dying of malnutrition in the Philippines has more to do with their catholic faith saying they can't use contraception than a lack of food per se. Even poor people have to pay for food and if one has a too many children and a low paying job something is going to happen that isn't good. Perhaps Gates would be doing better to educate people that they won't go to hell if they don't reproduce every year. Thailand has a lot of very poor people, but the birth rate is under 2 per woman and I never heard of Thailand have a child mortality problem. In the Philippines it's over 2, and the poor will have way more than the rich, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 On 5/15/2020 at 2:34 AM, teatime101 said: His foundation is about improving health, opportunities for education and saving lives in underdeveloped nations. So, why have I never heard anything about all the good he's doing? At the least he could have developed a better computer OS and stopped making people buy a new one when they didn't want to. I can't say what I think of gates on here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teatime101 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: So, why have I never heard anything about all the good he's doing? Well, you might have to go looking... With his wife Melinda, Bill Gates chairs the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the world's largest private charitable foundation. In May 2020, the Gates Foundation said it would spend $300 million to fight the coronavirus pandemic, funding treatment, detection and vaccines. 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: At the least he could have developed a better computer OS and stopped making people buy a new one when they didn't want to. Gates has sold or given away much of his stake in Microsoft -- he owns just over 1% of shares -- and invested in a mix of stocks and other assets. In mid-March 2020, Gates stepped down as a board member of Microsoft, the software firm he founded with Paul Allen (d. 2018) in 1975. The foundation works to improve global health and to create equal opportunity for people around the globe. To date, Gates has donated $35.8 billion worth of Microsoft stock to the Gates Foundation. https://www.forbes.com/profile/bill-gates/#65629d0a689f Can you name anybody who has given more to others (out of his own pocket) than Bill Gates? Edited May 16, 2020 by teatime101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yuyiinthesky Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, teatime101 said: The foundation works to improve global health and to create equal opportunity for people around the globe. To date, Gates has donated $35.8 billion worth of Microsoft stock to the Gates Foundation. A lot of that is invested in shares from Monsanto and, surprise, surprise, exactly the companies which will be selling the Covid-19 vaccines he is touting. Very clear conflict of interest in my humble opionion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said: A lot of that is invested in shares from Monsanto and, surprise, surprise, exactly the companies which will be selling the Covid-19 vaccines he is touting. Very clear conflict of interest in my humble opionion. You have some credible source for the info you're claiming? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, teatime101 said: Well, you might have to go looking... If it's as great as is being touted I'd expect at least some news as to the diseases his foundation cured, like malaria etc. As anyone familiar with Thailand knows, so called NGOs or "Charitable organisations" often exist more for the benefit of the people in charge than for the people they are supposed to help. They too like to operate in the shadows, lest questions be asked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teatime101 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 hours ago, yuyiinthesky said: A lot of that is invested in shares from Monsanto 'A lot'? He has 500,000 shares in Monsanto, worth about USD 23 million. He is putting up USD 300 million to develop a vaccine for covid19. I cannot comprehend this need to attack Bill Gates. He is a successful capitalist, after all. Which side of politics is offended? Socialists can't object to his generous social programs, and capitalists can't object to him doing whatever he wants with his money... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teatime101 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: If it's as great as is being touted I'd expect at least some news as to the diseases his foundation cured, like malaria etc. Well, you might have to go looking... https://interestingengineering.com/5-of-bill-gates-most-impactful-and-life-changing-philanthropic-projects https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2018/09/gates-foundation-goalkeepers-poverty-hiv-child-hunger/ https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/2/11/21133298/bill-gates-melinda-gates-money-foundation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 hours ago, teatime101 said: Can you name anybody who has given more to others (out of his own pocket) than Bill Gates? Well, he got some of that from me ( reluctantly ) because he won't support perfectly usable operating systems like 7, a far superior OS to the horrid 10 for many. 8 was so atrocious that people had to spend more to get one that actually worked. IMO in a just world he'd be in jail for shoddy business practice, not one of the richest men in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Well, he got some of that from me ( reluctantly ) because he won't support perfectly usable operating systems like 7, a far superior OS to the horrid 10 for many. 8 was so atrocious that people had to spend more to get one that actually worked. IMO in a just world he'd be in jail for shoddy business practice, not one of the richest men in the world. He could just retire, its not like he needs to make more money now is it? If he were to just keep all his money within him and his family, buy a few private jets, some private islands and a lavish luxury lifestyle he'd be accused of being a hoarder, mean and greedy. He instead works for what I consider to be good causes and invests in those accordingly. Again he's chastised for that. No pleasing some 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Well, he got some of that from me ( reluctantly ) because he won't support perfectly usable operating systems like 7, a far superior OS to the horrid 10 for many. 8 was so atrocious that people had to spend more to get one that actually worked. IMO in a just world he'd be in jail for shoddy business practice, not one of the richest men in the world. Regarding only Windows 10, gotta agree with you on that one!!! I'd be happy to go back to paying for an every couple years update if they'd only provide an easily usable, less bothersome version like Win 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessman Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: At the least he could have developed a better computer OS Haha, did you ever try the ones we had before windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuyiinthesky Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 8:23 AM, steelepulse said: Are you sure about this. Watch this and then let us know if you still think that all of Bill's billions aren't buying him the seat to power. One more. Both from same site, but it's hard to say that these are made up facts. You might accuse Corbett from being right wing, but I just received this from German friends: One of the old leaders of several left parties (and a former state chief and minister of Germany), Mr. Lafontaine, still active in Germany's left party, said this: Quote "If former Microsoft boss Bill Gates "finances large parts of the WHO's activities, especially in the vaccination sector", people would become suspicious. "And they are right to become suspicious when they know that this financier is also involved in the companies that ultimately do the vaccine business." (machine translated from https://www.welt.de/regionales/rheinland-pfalz-saarland/article207949975/Lafontaine-kritisiert-Lobbyismus-und-Bill-Gates.html ) Since Mr. Lafontaine is well known and established in Germany this was in many Newspapers. So please allow to criticize Bill Gates without dismissing it right away as conspiracy theory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, yuyiinthesky said: So please allow to criticize Bill Gates without dismissing it right away as conspiracy theory. Not allowed... Criticism of big bad Bill gets removed from a lot of media very quickly.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 On 5/12/2020 at 11:36 PM, yuyiinthesky said: I might start wearing a mask when I have to hide from Bill Gates' troops trying to force his vaccines on me, to escape the surveillance systems. Bill Gates vaccine, all part of the plan . Plus , you will have a, your location app, down loaded on your phone , free .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuyiinthesky Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 21 hours ago, teatime101 said: He has 500,000 shares in Monsanto, worth about USD 23 million. Thanks for confirming. These 500000 were bought 2010, if I remember correctly. Might be more by now. 23 million might be peanuts for Bill Gates, for me it is a very clear conflict of interest when he pushes Monsanto products to Africa and Asia. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwood1 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 3 hours ago, elliss said: Bill Gates vaccine, all part of the plan . Plus , you will have a, your location app, down loaded on your phone , free .. Free stimulus money Free food handouts Frozen rents Free location apps Free covid testing Free Bill Gates Vaccines Whats not to love......Just waiting for my free microchip...LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, redwood1 said: Free stimulus money Free food handouts Frozen rents Free location apps Free covid testing Free Bill Gates Vaccines Whats not to love......Just waiting for my free microchip...LOL Plus, you will be awarded , a Free Bill Gates, face mask , with inplanted chip, and logo.. Overstayers beware, you are not under the radar, anymore.. Edited May 17, 2020 by elliss spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John CS Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Vaccines , are they effective? originally they were used for the military, there is an ongoing debate regarding their effectiveness and the links to Autism / ME & CFS and other ilnesses, including uncontrolled XMRV retroviruses infections, my understanding is that the CDC & NIH are at the heart of this since the eighties and since the discovery of HIV retrovirus Personally my own belief is that nobody should have the vaccine forced on them. You should have the choice Suggested reading "Plague" by Judy Mickovits / Kent Heckenlively also any conversation on youtube with Robert F Kennedy Jr who chairs Trumps Safety on vaccines commitee Regarding CDC,NIH and Gates funding,just look into Plague of Corruption by Judy Mickovits / Kent Heckenlively Good to see some Corbett reports posted in this chain of communication you might want to look at the Last American Vagabond for current , proposed mandate or forced vaccination including proposed nano implants , to enable genetic modifications Gates falls short in trying to promote technology as a solution to Public Health Disease unfortunately people are waking up to this , which is another example of sociopathic behaviour , the same we are seeing from some US Govenors at the moment,that needs curbing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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