Slowly but steady, China strives to make widespread virus testing the new normal

[ChouDoufu]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The gold standard seem to be the RT-PCR test but highly expensive. It got emergency FDA approval. Boris Johnson swore that the Roche test is highly accurate. Then there are cheap but inaccurate tests. Test and re-test seem the logical thinking at the moment. I think that creative use of currently available cheap and quick tests even if they are questionable can go a long way to reaching adequate levels of accuracy, at least until the gold standard tests can be developed. 

maybe....not.

 

if the accuracy is as low as 50%, what's the point?  why not save the cost of testing, and develop a cellphone app where you can flip a virtual coin?

 

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

maybe....not.

 

if the accuracy is as low as 50%, what's the point?  why not save the cost of testing, and develop a cellphone app where you can flip a virtual coin?

 

An app will be nice if they can accurately predict lottery numbers. I still prefer a prescribed testing method than a coin flip. I can always do 2 tests to increase the accuracy.  

[ChouDoufu]

14 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

An app will be nice if they can accurately predict lottery numbers. I still prefer a prescribed testing method than a coin flip. I can always do 2 tests to increase the accuracy.  

 

how would that work?  two tests, both with 50% accuracy? 

the end result would be 25% confidence.

[rhodie]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Just a few facts for your indulgence. Hong Kong was leased to the British for 100 years. Leased expired in 1997. There was no take over. Taiwan was handed back to China by the Japanese in 1945 and occupied by the Republican military when they lost the civil war. It independent is still disputed. Not taken over. As for China intention to take over the world, maybe soft power but certainly not militarily. They only got 1 aircraft carrier. China still has transparency issues. Every countries in the world have laws on fake news. US is more liberal and Trump has taken this to the limit. 

If you want to be pedantic, it was 99 years and yes, I am aware of that. But the world changes in 99 years and for sure the majority of Hong Kong citizens would much prefer autonomy. China play their own game and will continue to thumb their nose until the west stands up to them. I only hope that this pandemic causes a lot more scrutiny on them.

[Eric Loh]

27 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

how would that work?  two tests, both with 50% accuracy? 

the end result would be 25% confidence.

I guess with different factors involving the accuracy of the test like how the swap is taken and handling of the specimen. In Singapore, false negatives were found to be due to calibration issue. 2 tests with different methods may be the train of thoughts for the re-test thinking by medical experts. 

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, rhodie said:

If you want to be pedantic, it was 99 years and yes, I am aware of that. But the world changes in 99 years and for sure the majority of Hong Kong citizens would much prefer autonomy. China play their own game and will continue to thumb their nose until the west stands up to them. I only hope that this pandemic causes a lot more scrutiny on them.

Get the facts right. Only 1 in 6 Hong Kong citizens preferred autonomy. Most will prefer to stay as special administration region. Rest of your post is just China bashing rant. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-china-survey-idUSKCN1050GT

[rhodie]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Get the facts right. Only 1 in 6 Hong Kong citizens preferred autonomy. Most will prefer to stay as special administration region. Rest of your post is just China bashing rant. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-china-survey-idUSKCN1050GT

The Chinese government promised direct elections for chief executive by 2017.

But in August 2014 China's top legislative committee ruled that voters would only be able to choose from a list of two or three candidates selected by a nominating committee.

This committee would be formed "in accordance with" Hong Kong's largely pro-Beijing election committee. Any candidate would have to secure the support of more than 50% of the nominating committee before being able to run in the election.

 

I think you need a lesson in history. China have repeatedly been changing the rules since 1997. They have stacked the HK Govt. with their people. Above is black and white and is what all the demonstrations are about. "You can select who you want from the candidates we choose". Really. You believe HK is a fair democracy under China. In am not bashing. Those are the facts. You can choose anybody that we select. Come on. Open your eyes. Next you'll be telling me China is a democracy!

 

So 20 years later after China have installed their stooges you say 1 in 5 (reuters copied cr@p) support China.

Your article.

The poll was conducted over the telephone with 1,010 Cantonese-speaking residents aged 15 or above from July 6-15.

 

 

What planet are you on? I have never met a HK resident that wants a Chinese takeover. I'm surprised you have.

Edited May 14, 2020 by rhodie

[FritsSikkink]

13 hours ago, blazes said:

Too bad the Chinese were not as efficient as this when it came to warning the world of the dangers of the Wuhan Covid-19 virus.

 

Their criminal negligence confused poor old Dr Fauci, who reassured (and misled) Americans in January that there was nothing particularly dangerous about this virus.

Nonsense, here a funny video to explain it to you:

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, rhodie said:

The Chinese government promised direct elections for chief executive by 2017.

But in August 2014 China's top legislative committee ruled that voters would only be able to choose from a list of two or three candidates selected by a nominating committee.

This committee would be formed "in accordance with" Hong Kong's largely pro-Beijing election committee. Any candidate would have to secure the support of more than 50% of the nominating committee before being able to run in the election.

 

I think you need a lesson in history. China have repeatedly been changing the rules since 1997. They have stacked the HK Govt. with their people. Above is black and white and is what all the demonstrations are about. "You can select who you want from the candidates we choose". Really. You believe HK is a fair democracy under China. In am not bashing. Those are the facts. You can choose anybody that we select. Come on. Open your eyes. Next you'll be telling me China is a democracy!

 

So 20 years later after China have installed their stooges you say 1 in 5 (reuters copied cr@p) support China.

Your article.

The poll was conducted over the telephone with 1,010 Cantonese-speaking residents aged 15 or above from July 6-15.

 

 

What planet are you on? I have never met a HK resident that wants a Chinese takeover. I'm surprised you have.

You claimed Hong Kong prefer autonomy and I given you polls that reject your claim and you try to discredit the poll. I will provide you with another and I challenge you to provide any polls that show Hong Kong prefer autonomy.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3046451/new-survey-hong-kong-protesters-says-80-support-one-country

 

You clearly don’t understand the election law for chief executive. I suggest that you read the Basic Law cap.569 Chief Executive Election Ordinance. 

[rhodie]

13 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You claimed Hong Kong prefer autonomy and I given you polls that reject your claim and you try to discredit the poll. I will provide you with another and I challenge you to provide any polls that show Hong Kong prefer autonomy.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3046451/new-survey-hong-kong-protesters-says-80-support-one-country

 

You clearly don’t understand the election law for chief executive. I suggest that you read the Basic Law cap.569 Chief Executive Election Ordinance. 

The first poll was just over 1000 people and done by pro Chinese out of Beijing. No scrutiny. I wonder how accurate that is. The second article is just comment. No facts or figures. Those are not polls. China are trying to turn Hong Kong into a dictatorship under Chinese rule. Do you honestly believe that anyone who has lived in a democratic society would want to live under a Chinese dictatorship? Really? Good luck with that argument. 

 

 

“Loving China,” he said, became synonymous with “loving the party,” something he and most people in Hong Kong don’t want to do. “I used to be a patriot. But of course I am not a patriot now.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/03/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-china-disengagement.html 

Edited May 15, 2020 by rhodie
Added link

[Eric Loh]

28 minutes ago, rhodie said:

The first poll was just over 1000 people and done by pro Chinese out of Beijing. No scrutiny. I wonder how accurate that is. The second article is just comment. No facts or figures. Those are not polls. China are trying to turn Hong Kong into a dictatorship under Chinese rule. Do you honestly believe that anyone who has lived in a democratic society would want to live under a Chinese dictatorship? Really? Good luck with that argument. 

 

 

“Loving China,” he said, became synonymous with “loving the party,” something he and most people in Hong Kong don’t want to do. “I used to be a patriot. But of course I am not a patriot now.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/03/world/asia/hong-kong-protests-china-disengagement.html 

What kind of democracy did Hong Kong enjoyed under the British. Hong Kong was a colony of the UK and administered as a colony. The Governor was the head of the government and appointed by the British monarch to serve as the representative of the crown in the colony. Executive power was highly concentrated with the Governor who himself appoint almost all members of the Legislative Council and Executive Council and also served as President of both chambers.

 

After the takeover by China in 1997, Hong Kong was allowed to retain their own economic and administrative systems while China uses the socialism system of governance. Hong Kong continue to have its own government system, legal, economic, financial and foreign relationship with foreign countries. Most Hong Kong citizens support this 1 China 2 system. There will be fringe protests mainly on social inequality but most support this system. You need to be better informed.  

[rkidlad]

On 5/14/2020 at 1:36 PM, Eric Loh said:

Just a few facts for your indulgence. Hong Kong was leased to the British for 100 years. Leased expired in 1997. There was no take over. Taiwan was handed back to China by the Japanese in 1945 and occupied by the Republican military when they lost the civil war. It independent is still disputed. Not taken over. As for China intention to take over the world, maybe soft power but certainly not militarily. They only got 1 aircraft carrier. China still has transparency issues. Every countries in the world have laws on fake news. US is more liberal and Trump has taken this to the limit. 

China still has transparency issues? Like what? Disappearing people who speak out against them. Since when is criticising your government fake news? My country doesn't have this law. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by rkidlad

[Eric Loh]

26 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

China still has transparency issues? Like what? Disappearing people who speak out against them. Since when is criticising your government fake news? My country doesn't have this law. 

US has libel suit that is used for fake news. It is something that Trump advocate using libel laws to sue articles that he don't like. Libel laws are quinessentially American.

 

US too silence critics. Rich and powerful people use their enormous resources to silence jorunalist.

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/shadowy_war.php

 

When white folks are uncomfortable with the truth, black people are silence.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a25747603/silencing-black-voices/

 

China has transparency issues and so do USA. 

[rkidlad]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

US has libel suit that is used for fake news. It is something that Trump advocate using libel laws to sue articles that he don't like. Libel laws are quinessentially American.

 

US too silence critics. Rich and powerful people use their enormous resources to silence jorunalist.

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/shadowy_war.php

 

When white folks are uncomfortable with the truth, black people are silence.

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a25747603/silencing-black-voices/

 

China has transparency issues and so do USA. 

Your attitude towards the CCP is quite disturbing, Eric. I’m yet to see anyone who’s been disappeared because they’ve criticized Johnson, Trump, Macron, Merkel, etc. 

 

I see CNN and Fox News pumping out fake news all the time. Their journalists still seem to be breathing. 
 

Go to China and criticize Winnie the Pooh. Tell me how you get on. 

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Your attitude towards the CCP is quite disturbing, Eric. I’m yet to see anyone who’s been disappeared because they’ve criticized Johnson, Trump, Macron, Merkel, etc. 

 

I see CNN and Fox News pumping out fake news all the time. Their journalists still seem to be breathing. 
 

Go to China and criticize Winnie the Pooh. Tell me how you get on. 

Didn't take long for the urge to put a label on me. You should be able to handle a reasonable rebuttal without taking a slide on me. We are all reasonable educated people.   

[rkidlad]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Didn't take long for the urge to put a label on me. You should be able to handle a reasonable rebuttal without taking a slide on me. We are all reasonable educated people.   

I said your attitude towards the CCP is disturbing. Erroneously conflating the actions of the CCP as the same as in the West is grossly misleading and dangerous. There are people in concentration camps in China for simply wanting the right to freely practise their religion. And you wanna tell everyone here that China and the West both have transparency problems like these kind of issues are comparable. That’s just disingenuous and abhorrent. 
 

Who said we’re all reasonably educated people? Clearly we aren’t. Some people can’t have two thoughts in their head at the same time. I like to criticize bad ideas and I don’t care where they come from. 

[Cake Monster]

China really has to do this to try and build an Internationally damaged reputation.

Just part of the propaganda machines rebuilding of " Trust " around the World.

A for the current testing, they want to test all 11 Million residents of Wuhan, because there is another spike ( although a small one ), and another City called Shulan in the North East has been locked down due to a Virus outbreak.

Anybody that thinks this thing is over has to wake up and smell the Coffee

[rhodie]

22 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

What kind of democracy did Hong Kong enjoyed under the British. Hong Kong was a colony of the UK and administered as a colony. The Governor was the head of the government and appointed by the British monarch to serve as the representative of the crown in the colony. Executive power was highly concentrated with the Governor who himself appoint almost all members of the Legislative Council and Executive Council and also served as President of both chambers.

 

After the takeover by China in 1997, Hong Kong was allowed to retain their own economic and administrative systems while China uses the socialism system of governance. Hong Kong continue to have its own government system, legal, economic, financial and foreign relationship with foreign countries. Most Hong Kong citizens support this 1 China 2 system. There will be fringe protests mainly on social inequality but most support this system. You need to be better informed.  

"China uses the socialism system of governance".

I think you are the one who needs to be better informed. China is a dictatorship. I find it absolutely ludicrous that you compare western freedoms and democracy to China's dictatorship.

You have not supplied any credible evidence of your claims. I know many people from Hong Kong. Of course they want the financial benefits that ties with China derive, but they don't want Chinese rule and that is what they are getting. Not only in China do people disappear, the same is happening in Hong Kong. Please open your eyes.