4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I don't demand anyone do anything for free or at a loss. That sounds more like a leftist thing. And I'll believe the "non-profit" claim when I see it. Anyone can say they're going to do anything.

No was not referring specifically to you, just those who will and those who then start making comparisons with other not for profit organisations, I feel they would only be happy if they operated as a charity and then would still complain of the salaries being paid.

 

Personally I do believe the claim coming from Oxford University that they will operate not for profit/production costs only for the duration of the pandemic. After the pandemic then thats another thing.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No was not referring specifically to you, just those who will and those who then start making comparisons with other not for profit organisations, I feel they would only be happy if they operated as a charity and then would still complain of the salaries being paid.

 

Personally I do believe the claim coming from Oxford University that they will operate not for profit/production costs only for the duration of the pandemic. After the pandemic then thats another thing.

OK, fair enough. If they really do what they say, I'll be right there with you thanking them. And when you think about it, it's a good move for the long game. At any rate, I hope they succeed.

This is not such good news for the Oxford vaccine

 

Did The Oxford Covid Vaccine Work In Monkeys? Not Really

 

All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. 

 

What to make of this data? It is crystal clear that the vaccine did not provide sterilizing immunity to the virus challenge, the gold standard for any vaccine. It may provide partial protection. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#22dc2ba23c71

18 hours ago, anterian said:

Polio is getting close.

 

Yes.

 

Would have succeeded already if not for some war-torn areas of the worls where impossible to get good vaccination coverage.

 

However for a disease to be completely eradicated through a vaccine program it needs to be a disease for which there is no animal resevoir. True of smallpox, true for polio. but nto true for COVID.

 

However COVID doesn to need to be totally eradicated. Influenza and the common cold haven:t been either. What does need to happen is for there to be enough herd immunity that spread is not astronomical/exponential and the number of cases don't overwhelm health systems or tank the economy (and contrary to what some think, that can happen without lockdowns. Most people alter their behavior substantially when there is a major outbreak going on to which they have no immunity.)

I won't care if it's free...its not going into me.