Nine Thais arrive back from London with high fever

[Syduan]

19 hours ago, Guderian said:

Britain really is the sick man of Europe now, it seems...

No, it's just the BBC are masters of deception.

[Canuck1966]

Why is every Thai that flies back in sick?

I thought Thais were immune to CPC flu?

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Will entire aircraft crew also be quaranteed, excusing pilots maybe?

Nine rushed to the hospital immediately - more potential exposures reroute beginning with escorts through airport, immigration, baggage claim, transportation, registration, etc. This could add significantly to the contact tracing efforts....if taken seriously.

 

 

These flights are flown with at least two full surplus flight crews as none of the flight crew are allowed to deplane at BKK, not even allowed to stretch their legs on the air bridge. I am not sure how the Captain handles the mandatory tire kick and walk around inspection bit though. Maybe it's been flagged as superfluous and they have an experienced ground crew member do the needful.

 

As for the contact tracing, they have the names and contact info for all the other pax as well as the on duty immigration officers, baggage handlers, escorts, bus drivers and other chaperones. It's tracing the unknown persons that's the difficult bit.

[NanLaew]

33 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Why is every Thai that flies back in sick?

Not every Thai returnee is sick.

 

34 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

I thought Thais were immune to CPC flu?

You thought wrong.

[scorecard]

20 hours ago, Wiggy said:

Then how did they get their "Fit to Fly" certificates?

They took the document, never seen by a doctor, to the Thai embassy, automatic stamp 'fit to fly' easy.

 

Thai friend in Australia shared this just a few days ago. 

[shy coconut]

1 hour ago, George Aylesham said:

Why the knee jerk gratuitous insult towards Thailand - or possibly you have evidence for this?

Are you new here?

 

 

For many posters, the urge for knee jerk gratuitous insults towards Thailand is uncontrollable.

It's a bit like tourettes.

[rickudon]

So, if nine were sick, suggests that infection rates in the Uk still high. My completely uninformed guess is that many are ex-care home workers - With the patients now somewhat depleted by Covid-19 the owners are laying off staff - but no virus test?

[worrab]

Eva Air BR 068 did not fly from London and land yesterday!! This story does not read right as how would they have been allowed to fly! Very suss to me.

Edited May 20, 2020 by worrab
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[uhuh]

43 minutes ago, rickudon said:

So, if nine were sick, suggests that infection rates in the Uk still high. My completely uninformed guess is that many are ex-care home workers - With the patients now somewhat depleted by Covid-19 the owners are laying off staff - but no virus test?

Many Asians are flying home to safety from the infected countries of the West.

Chinese traders from Moscow and further west. 

Taiwanese students from Berkeley and Germany. 

Thai workers from California  or the UK.

...

Many wait until they get sick. Then they don't want to go to what they see as an expensive death trap, a.k.a. western hospital. It's amazing how many infected are on these flights. 

 

They usually manage to get on a plane by

- departing from places that don't care about covid (all of the above,  to varying degrees) and don't check for symptoms

- take fever medication or use cooling pads before check-in, dress lightly

 

 

[DrTuner]

Like a bad joke .. nine Thais arrive at the airport, three of them get tested, one confirmed and what does that one say? "Fake news!"

 

 

[BobBKK]

22 hours ago, lopburi3 said:

There are flights of returning Thai coming in every day (about 300 persons per day).  

Do what Vietnam does?  14 days compulsory quarantine 

 

PS Vietnam 300 cases ZERO deaths 

[DrTuner]

22 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Maybe, but it is true.

Same with US.

Infection cesspools they should all be banned indefinetly.

Once the G614 hits here and Europe & US are over it, guess who's the cesspool then. Thais got lucky the first round.

[Sheryl]

Doesn't bode well for resumption of international travel to Thailand....

[DrTuner]

16 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Doesn't bode well for resumption of international travel to Thailand....

Should not commence without mandatory 14 day state quarantine until there's a cure or vaccine. Centivax got positive results for their antibodies and are trying to get it to market by September.

[SkyFax]

21 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Once the G614 hits here and Europe & US are over it, guess who's the cesspool then. Thais got lucky the first round.

MAY 6, 2020

Others in the medical science field have expressed skepticism about the suggestions made by the team, insisting that it is far too soon to assume that any of the various strains of the virus are any more contagious than the original strain in China. Some have even suggested that the reason the strain with the G614 mutation has spread so far and wide is because it happened to infect regions that did not begin mitigation efforts in the earliest days of the pandemic. In either case, more work is required to ascertain whether any strains are more contagious than any other, and also to determine if the virus mutates at a rate that could outpace vaccine development.

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-mutations-sars-cov-strain-easily.html

 

 

[JimGant]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

These flights are flown with at least two full surplus flight crews as none of the flight crew are allowed to deplane at BKK, not even allowed to stretch their legs on the air bridge.

I would highly doubt that. Flight crews are the exceptions to who can enter Thailand via air -- but certainly they are not required to sleep on the airplane or jetway..... Union rules aside, flight safety dictates X number of hours in a hotel/hotel like bed for medium/long haul flights. And if 200 plus passengers can get booking in a quarantine hotel, certainly so can the flight crew.

Edited May 20, 2020 by JimGant

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, SkyFax said:

MAY 6, 2020

Others in the medical science field have expressed skepticism about the suggestions made by the team, insisting that it is far too soon to assume that any of the various strains of the virus are any more contagious than the original strain in China. Some have even suggested that the reason the strain with the G614 mutation has spread so far and wide is because it happened to infect regions that did not begin mitigation efforts in the earliest days of the pandemic. In either case, more work is required to ascertain whether any strains are more contagious than any other, and also to determine if the virus mutates at a rate that could outpace vaccine development.

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-mutations-sars-cov-strain-easily.html

 

 

There's more evidence since then, check the end of the thread:

 

[SkyFax]

The universal cooperation to create digital infrastructures against the emerging diseases along with rapid transportation is urgently needed.

 

So still inconclusive as to 

"In either case, more work is required to ascertain whether any strains are more contagious than any other, and also to determine if the virus mutates at a rate that could outpace vaccine development."

 

[bluedoc]

23 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Maybe, but it is true.

Same with US.

Infection cesspools they should all be banned indefinetly.

You just haven’t got a clue. Do you believe everything the Thai government puts out. It beggars belief the stupidity of uninformed people.

[Prince77]

23 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Repatriation flights still on-going

Obviously not applicable for foreigners who live and work in Thailand. ????

[AgMech Cowboy]

23 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Same with US.

@bkk6060 I said it in another post, but I'll repeat it again here:

There are more than 50% of the states that have 9 or less deaths per 100,000 people. Thailand as of yesterday is at 8 deaths per 100,000 people.  As of May 19, only Russia, Norway, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, New Zealand and Australia are reporting more test per 1,000 people than the USA. You're off base to compare the whole USA to other 'countries'.  The Governors of each state have in some cases more control over their USA state than the Presidents of some European nations and even supersede the USA President on many things.  Don't lump Montana or Hawaii in the same class as New York. They'll resent it and I resent it. My former state isn't doing to bad either.

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, Prince77 said:

Obviously not applicable for foreigners who live and work in Thailand. ????

Unfortunately not. They do not have a concept of equal rights.....it is ok for a Thai to come home but not a foreigner who lives here and has a family...I know it would create a nightmare for them in paperwork as they can barely chew gum and walk at the same time, just imagine them trying to verify your info....Oh wait its already in the system with your address and history, duh....

[bkk6060]

18 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

@bkk6060 I said it in another post, but I'll repeat it again here:

There are more than 50% of the states that have 9 or less deaths per 100,000 people. Thailand as of yesterday is at 8 deaths per 100,000 people.  As of May 19, only Russia, Norway, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, New Zealand and Australia are reporting more test per 1,000 people than the USA. You're off base to compare the whole USA to other 'countries'.  The Governors of each state have in some cases more control over their USA state than the Presidents of some European nations and even supersede the USA President on many things.  Don't lump Montana or Hawaii in the same class as New York. They'll resent it and I resent it. My former state isn't doing to bad either.

Well, so sorry you resent it and you took it personally.

But, it has nothing to do with my post response.

It is about keeping certain countries from coming here.

It is not possible to say only Montana or Hawaii can come.  Last I checked it is called a U.S. passport.  You do understand that, don't you?

So, I will stick to my post thank you.

Edited May 20, 2020 by bkk6060

[maxcorrigan]

With talk of repatriation, can a Thai person still fly to the UK and return at the moment with necessary fit to fly certificates of course, serious question?

[thecyclist]

Some nice hotels they are quarantined in. Is the government footing the bill? 

[uhuh]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Well, so sorry you resent it and you took it personally.

But, it has nothing to do with my post response.

It is about keeping certain countries from coming here.

It is not possible to say only Montana or Hawaii can come.  Last I checked it is called a U.S. passport.  You do understand that, don't you?

So, I will stick to my post thank you.

Montana doesn't have its own passport?

[tso310]

29 minutes ago, thecyclist said:

Some nice hotels they are quarantined in. Is the government footing the bill? 

Looking forward to their Trip Advisor reports.

Next LHR-BKK repat flight is 30 May or so I'm told. I assume that Thais using this formal method of going through the embassy avoid the fit to fly as they will be quarantined. BR67/68 is the 1 a week new norm for EVA. The flight that landed today had also been advertised by the Embassy. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by tso310
removed some details

[uhuh]

4 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

@bkk6060 I said it in another post, but I'll repeat it again here:

There are more than 50% of the states that have 9 or less deaths per 100,000 people. Thailand as of yesterday is at 8 deaths per 100,000 people.  As of May 19, only Russia, Norway, Ireland, Portugal, Italy, New Zealand and Australia are reporting more test per 1,000 people than the USA. You're off base to compare the whole USA to other 'countries'.  The Governors of each state have in some cases more control over their USA state than the Presidents of some European nations and even supersede the USA President on many things.  Don't lump Montana or Hawaii in the same class as New York. They'll resent it and I resent it. My former state isn't doing to bad either.

As of May 20, reporting more tests per 1000 people than the USA:

Faeroer, Iceland, UAE, Gibraltar, Bahrain, Malta, Falklands, Caymans, San Marino, Luxemburg, Bermuda,  Denmark, Cyprus, Lithuania, Mauritius, Spain, Portugal, Belgium,  Kuwait, Ireland, Israel, Qatar, Estonia, Russia, Italy, Isle of Man, New Zealand, Latvia, Andorra, Australia, Austria, Singapore, Switzerland, Belarus, UK, Norway,  Brunei.

 

23 states have less than 9 deaths per 100,000 population. How many states do the US have? 45.5 states?

 

 

 

 

[uhuh]

6 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Doesn't bode well for resumption of international travel to Thailand....

Company can't send a guy to Thailand for all of June and July (!). Tried today. From overseas,  not from Asia. 

[NanLaew]

19 hours ago, JimGant said:

I would highly doubt that. Flight crews are the exceptions to who can enter Thailand via air -- but certainly they are not required to sleep on the airplane or jetway..... Union rules aside, flight safety dictates X number of hours in a hotel/hotel like bed for medium/long haul flights. And if 200 plus passengers can get booking in a quarantine hotel, certainly so can the flight crew.

I recall reading on one of the initial CAAT flight ban announcements, they specifically stated that flight crew staying onboard is a prerequisite of the permit to land in and take-off from Thailand.

 

Nobody's sleeping on a jetway and I never suggested that. With the low passenger loads, there's at least 20 union-approved,  lie-flat sleeper beds available on most wide-bodies.

 

FWIW, flight crew members frequently do sleep rotations during long-haul flights and that was before this current situation.

 

I am quite confident that to ensure the same 2 - 4 hour regular airplane turnaround of the few carriers with some sort of weekly or semi-regular repatriation flight service like KLM, they aren't parking inbound flight crews at a hotel for 5-7 days or quarantining them for 14 days either.