Drug touted by Trump to treat COVID-19 linked to higher death risk - study

[Bender Rodriguez]

6 hours ago, Phil McCaverty said:

Hydrocloroquine, is manufactured and touted by big pharma and they are hoping to make vast amounts of money from it. Why do you think Trump is touting it?

it cost in generic form, less than 10$

 

effects & side effects know

 

what about vaccine ?  RNA / DNA from aborted foetus, animals, formaldehyde, aluminium, polysorbate, msg, etc...

[smedly]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

Still looking forward to those reports.

 

Trump touted it without any proof, ignoring medical advice.

I assume you have access to the internet and a search engine

 

I believe there are several posted on this thread which I haven't looked at

 

are you an able person

 

 

[stevenl]

26 minutes ago, smedly said:

I assume you have access to the internet and a search engine

 

I believe there are several posted on this thread which I haven't looked at

 

are you an able person

 

 

You're not making any sense.

 

Trump touted it as a covid-19 medication, so the article is correct, as is the headline.

 

There is no research which concludes that hydroxychloroquine is an effective prophylaxis.

 

None of your points stick except as alternative facts.

Edited May 23, 2020 by stevenl

[JulesMad]

He is not normal anyway, and the dose for genius is 25 times bigger... Make him swallow the biggest dose, he deserves it... Hopefully his republican sheep follow his stupid actions, so usa has a chance to become reasonably civilized again...

[candide]

It looks like Trumpers are changing their arguments. For weeks, they have been claiming HCQ benefits for treating the disease. Now that negative evidence is being accumulated, they switch to possible prevention benefits (which still remains a valid hypothesis).

 

We can expect a new wave of  posts trying to explain us that Trump has never touted this drug as a treatment, only for prevention! ????

 

[Phil McCaverty]

28 minutes ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

it cost in generic form, less than 10$

 

effects & side effects know

 

what about vaccine ?  RNA / DNA from aborted foetus, animals, formaldehyde, aluminium, polysorbate, msg, etc...

Its cost has quadrupled since Trump started touting it. The vaccine produced by Oxford University is made from the common cold virus. No RNA / DNA from aborted foetus, animals, formaldehyde, aluminium, polysorbate, msg, included. MSG? If it were in a vaccine, it would be completely harmless.

 

The only place that you would find that list of ingredients is in a McDonalds burger.

 

Oy vey!

 

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by Phil McCaverty

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, candide said:

It looks like Trumpers are changing their arguments. For weeks, they have been claiming HCQ benefits for treating the disease. Now that negative evidence is being accumulated, they switch to possible prevention benefits (which still remains a valid hypothesis).

 

We can expect a new wave of  posts trying to explain us that Trump has never touted this drug as a treatment, only for prevention! ????

 

Happened already, see posts claiming the headline is incorrect since Trump was taking it as prevention.

[sirineou]

trump is not taking  Hydrocloroquine he is just talking trash like he always does. He is morbidly obese so you can bet he has heart issues. even if Hydrocloroquine worked someone with heart issues would not be taking it because of the associated heart related side affects. 

Just like when I see certain Avatars that I skip reading , when I see trump on TV I change the channel. Nothing of value there. 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Happened already, see posts claiming the headline is incorrect since Trump was taking it as prevention.

I know. He's likely an 'early indicator' of the next wave. Instructions will soon follow.

[Throatwobbler]

8 hours ago, tropo said:

To call a person that pulled off the impossible "mentally challenged" is ridiculous. A non-politician, businessman winning the presidency is a feat that will likely never be repeated. Didn't he beat 16 strong candidates? I don't understand a non-US citizens like you feeling so emotional about a sitting US president. 

You have admitted you are an Australian and are being very emotional trying to defend Trump, admitting  that you wont read publications that attack him. Then you have the audacity to say that you do not understand why a non US citizen can feel so emotional.

 Can you even remember what you previously posted?

Edited Typo.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[Crazy Alex]

It's hilarious when you think about it. Hydroxychloroquine has been around for 65 years. It's even prescribed to pregnant women. Suddenly, after Trump touts it as a tool to fight the Chinese virus, we're finding out it's actually horrible? Pathetic. But funny as heck, too.

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

It's hilarious when you think about it. Hydroxychloroquine has been around for 65 years. It's even prescribed to pregnant women. Suddenly, after Trump touts it as a tool to fight the Chinese virus, we're finding out it's actually horrible? Pathetic. But funny as heck, too.

As usual, you are missing the point. Whether hydroxychloroquine does/does not help with Covid (and the article we are discussing seems to say it doesn't) it is irresponsible for any prominant leader, never mind the leader of the free world to advocate it's use without proper scientific verification of it's effectiveness. We understand it can exacerbate problems for some with pre-existing conditions so to tout this as some sort of cure is not only irresponsible, it's downright negligent. 

Why can't Trump fans understand this? He has a responsibility to ALL Americans and needs to follow professional advice in matters he is neither qualified nor equiped to handle.  

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

As usual, you are missing the point. Whether hydroxychloroquine does/does not help with Covid (and the article we are discussing seems to say it doesn't) it is irresponsible for any prominant leader, never mind the leader of the free world to advocate it's use without proper scientific verification of it's effectiveness. We understand it can exacerbate problems for some with pre-existing conditions so to tout this as some sort of cure is not only irresponsible, it's downright negligent. 

Why can't Trump fans understand this? He has a responsibility to ALL Americans and needs to follow professional advice in matters he is neither qualified nor equiped to handle.  

I reject your assertion that there is only one point to be made and that the point must be the one you prefer. Furthermore, virtually any medication can exacerbate other conditions. If we followed your logic, we couldn't take any medications ever.

[jordanmarcinkus]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

trump is not taking  Hydrocloroquine he is just talking trash like he always does. He is morbidly obese so you can bet he has heart issues. even if Hydrocloroquine worked someone with heart issues would not be taking it because of the associated heart related side affects. 

Just like when I see certain Avatars that I skip reading , when I see trump on TV I change the channel. Nothing of value there. 

Remember last November when Trump had an unscheduled medical checkup?

 

Trump says he's in 'very good' health after unscheduled medical checkup

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/17/donald-trump-visits-hospital-for-unscheduled-two-hour-medical-checkup

 

It's now May and he still hasn't finished his regular yearly checkup.

 

6 months on, Trump hasn't completed his physical. The White House won't say why.

 It’s been more than six months since President Donald Trump claimed to have started his annual physical at Walter Reed hospital but the White House is declining to explain why he has yet to complete the yearly doctor’s examination...

 A president’s annual physical typically occurs at the beginning of a new year... It is uncommon for a president to complete a routine physical exam months apart and in multiple stages.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-remains-mum-questions-about-trump-s-annual-physical-n1213266

 

How likely is it that his physician would approve of his taking this medication? Especially given that his last medical checkup already showed signs of heart disease.

Edited May 23, 2020 by jordanmarcinkus

[Opl]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

It's hilarious when you think about it. Hydroxychloroquine has been around for 65 years. It's even prescribed to pregnant women. Suddenly, after Trump touts it as a tool to fight the Chinese virus, we're finding out it's actually horrible? Pathetic. But funny as heck, too.

So:  millions of people - without malaria - should take the risk of this drug's heavy side effects and so deliberately chose to worsen their health condition betting to avoid COVID-19 infection.. a benefit that is not even guaranteed - is that Trump's deal?

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, Opl said:

So:  millions of people - without malaria - should take the risk of this drug's heavy side effects and so deliberately chose to worsen their health condition betting to avoid COVID-19 infection.. a benefit that is not even guaranteed - is that Trump's deal?

I don't recall that being said or implied. Please enlighten me.

[Crazy Alex]

28 minutes ago, jordanmarcinkus said:

Remember last November when Trump had an unscheduled medical checkup?

 

Trump says he's in 'very good' health after unscheduled medical checkup

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/17/donald-trump-visits-hospital-for-unscheduled-two-hour-medical-checkup

 

It's now May and he still hasn't finished his regular yearly checkup.

 

6 months on, Trump hasn't completed his physical. The White House won't say why.

 It’s been more than six months since President Donald Trump claimed to have started his annual physical at Walter Reed hospital but the White House is declining to explain why he has yet to complete the yearly doctor’s examination...

 A president’s annual physical typically occurs at the beginning of a new year... It is uncommon for a president to complete a routine physical exam months apart and in multiple stages.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-remains-mum-questions-about-trump-s-annual-physical-n1213266

 

How likely is it that his physician would approve of his taking this medication? Especially given that his last medical checkup already showed signs of heart disease.

Seriously, this sounds like quite a conspiracy you've uncovered. I am satisfied with Trump and his doctors handling his health care and have found no reason to question these health care professionals.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

I reject your assertion that there is only one point to be made and that the point must be the one you prefer. Furthermore, virtually any medication can exacerbate other conditions. If we followed your logic, we couldn't take any medications ever.

Reject away with your childish ovwer simplification but it doesn't change the fact that the FDA does not approve this drug for the prevention or cure for Covid (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or) clearly stating 'The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with azithromycin and other QT prolonging medicines.  We are also aware of increased use of these medicines through outpatient prescriptions.  Therefore, we would like to remind health care professionals and patients of the known risks associated with both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquin'.

And yes 'any medication can exacerbate other conditions' that's why the FDA investigates them, makes any side effects known and warns against their use in certain other medical conditions (such as above).

This is literally why you have the FDA so for Trump to keep touting this without FDA approval is irresponsible, unscientific and dangerous. This however doesn't seem to bother true Trump acolytes such as yourself. 

 

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

Seriously, this sounds like quite a conspiracy you've uncovered. I am satisfied with Trump and his doctors handling his health care and have found no reason to question these health care professionals.

You don't seem to have much reason to question anything when it comes to Trump.

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

Reject away with your childish ovwer simplification but it doesn't change the fact that the FDA does not approve this drug for the prevention or cure for Covid (https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or) clearly stating 'The FDA is aware of reports of serious heart rhythm problems in patients with COVID-19 treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine, often in combination with azithromycin and other QT prolonging medicines.  We are also aware of increased use of these medicines through outpatient prescriptions.  Therefore, we would like to remind health care professionals and patients of the known risks associated with both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquin'.

And yes 'any medication can exacerbate other conditions' that's why the FDA investigates them, makes any side effects known and warns against their use in certain other medical conditions (such as above).

This is literally why you have the FDA so for Trump to keep touting this without FDA approval is irresponsible, unscientific and dangerous. This however doesn't seem to bother true Trump acolytes such as yourself. 

 

OK, so Trump is taking a medication for which the FDA has not approved its purpose. Now what, especially many doctors agree it is helpful?

Edited May 23, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[Crazy Alex]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

You don't seem to have much reason to question anything when it comes to Trump.

I question many things when it comes to Trump, such as tariffs, high spending, these huge stimulus funds and where they are going, keeping us at war in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq and high spending- for starters.

 

Him taking a a medication prescribed by his doctor is of no consequence to me. How has it affected YOUR life?

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

OK, so Trump is taking a medication for which the FDA has not approved its purpose. Now what, especially many doctors agree it is helpful?

How about he just shuts up and stops telling a nation that it's helpful in preventing/curing covid? He can do what he wants to himself (which he obviously does with his fast food diet) but when he puts others at risk that's where the problem is. Why can't you see that?

[rabas]

18 minutes ago, Opl said:

So:  millions of people - without malaria - should take the risk of this drug's heavy side effects and so deliberately chose to worsen their health condition betting to avoid COVID-19 infection.. a benefit that is not even guaranteed - is that Trump's deal?

 

Millions of people around the world (millions) take chloroquine - without malaria -  some take it for years, not stop, because it prevents malaria. It is  a prophylactic.

 

And it has nothing to do with Trump.

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by rabas

[Crazy Alex]

6 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

How about he just shuts up and stops telling a nation that it's helpful in preventing/curing covid? He can do what he wants to himself (which he obviously does with his fast food diet) but when he puts others at risk that's where the problem is. Why can't you see that?

Why can't you see we have the First Amendment and everyone has freedom of speech? Your desire for him to shut up is completely meaningless, without merit, against one of the most important founding principles and quite frankly very childish.

 

Now, tell me how Trump taking any medication puts others at risk. Here, let me answer for you. It doesn't. Not only do we have freedom of speech, we have the freedom of choice. That includes whether or not to ______________________________.

Edited May 23, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Crazy Alex said:

I question many things when it comes to Trump, such as tariffs, high spending, these huge stimulus funds and where they are going, keeping us at war in Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq and high spending- for starters.

 

Him taking a a medication prescribed by his doctor is of no consequence to me. How has it affected YOUR life?

One, it doesn't affect my life as I wouldn't be so stupid as to listen to Trump and two, see my comment above.

And I've noticed you are a very active participant in the discussions (what with your highly biased avatar) and I have never heard you crirticise Trump, not even once, so you'll forgive me if I think you cannot see what to many is a VERY simple thought. He shouldn't be touting a drug that can have serious consequences to some when he happens to be POTUS. He can sell dodgy university degrees, questionable steaks, rubbish airline seats and unpalateable vodka when he's a businessman but he can't tout questionable drugs when he is POTUS. Jezus, how difficult is this to understand?    

[Opl]

26 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Millions of people around the world (millions) take chloroquine - without malaria -  some take it for years, not stop, because it prevents malaria. It is  a prophylactic.

 

And it has nothing to do with Trump.

 

As the risk of getting malaria while living in the US or Europe... is very low if not null, and if this drug is'nt proven effective against COVID-19, the side effects overwhelm the benefits... So Trump touting the "miracle drug", a "gift from God".. a "game changer"...is encouraging his followers to bet at their own risks ( "what do you have to lose?")    

Edited May 23, 2020 by Opl

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

Why can't you see we have the First Amendment and everyone has freedom of speech? Your desire for him to shut up is completely meaningless, without merit, against one of the most important founding principles and quite frankly very childish.

 

Now, tell me how Trump taking any medication puts others at risk. Here, let me answer for you. It doesn't. Not only do we have freedom of speech, we have the freedom of choice. That includes whether or not to ______________________________.

Ahhhhhh the last bastion of the Trump fan when trying to defend the indefensable; spout the first amendment.

 

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, jordanmarcinkus said:

Remember last November when Trump had an unscheduled medical checkup?

 

Trump says he's in 'very good' health after unscheduled medical checkup

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/17/donald-trump-visits-hospital-for-unscheduled-two-hour-medical-checkup

 

It's now May and he still hasn't finished his regular yearly checkup.

 

6 months on, Trump hasn't completed his physical. The White House won't say why.

 It’s been more than six months since President Donald Trump claimed to have started his annual physical at Walter Reed hospital but the White House is declining to explain why he has yet to complete the yearly doctor’s examination...

 A president’s annual physical typically occurs at the beginning of a new year... It is uncommon for a president to complete a routine physical exam months apart and in multiple stages.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/white-house-remains-mum-questions-about-trump-s-annual-physical-n1213266

 

How likely is it that his physician would approve of his taking this medication? Especially given that his last medical checkup already showed signs of heart disease.

It is all trump BS designed for the consumption of the weak minded. I would not be surprised if marketers are compiling lists of trump supporters as easy targets. If they are buying trump's BS what else will they buy?

Edited May 23, 2020 by sirineou
typo

[candide]

16 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why can't you see we have the First Amendment and everyone has freedom of speech? Your desire for him to shut up is completely meaningless, without merit, against one of the most important founding principles and quite frankly very childish.

 

Now, tell me how Trump taking any medication puts others at risk. Here, let me answer for you. It doesn't. Not only do we have freedom of speech, we have the freedom of choice. That includes whether or not to ______________________________.

Come on! You perfectly understood what he meant and are trying to deflect again.

Let's state it more clearly for a last try:

- Trump is free to do whatever he wants with his health

- however Trump is an opinion leader. For some people, he's a role model (OMG).

- therefore, his statements may have an impact on people's behaviour

- when Trump is touting a controversial drug, he likely influences other people who may follow his example

- so it shows a lack of any sense of responsibility.

 

You may disagree with it and think that a country leader may say anything that comes to his mind, whatever the consequences. OK, but it has nothing to do with first amendment and the other diversions you make.

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why can't you see we have the First Amendment and everyone has freedom of speech? Your desire for him to shut up is completely meaningless, without merit, against one of the most important founding principles and quite frankly very childish.

 

Now, tell me how Trump taking any medication puts others at risk. Here, let me answer for you. It doesn't. Not only do we have freedom of speech, we have the freedom of choice. That includes whether or not to ______________________________.

Come on! You perfectly understood what he meant and are trying to deflect again.

Let's state it more clearly for a last try:

- Trump is free to do whatever he wants with his health

- however Trump is an opinion leader. For some people, he's a role model (OMG).

- therefore, his statements may have an impact on people's behaviour

- when Trump is touting a controversial drug, he likely influences other people who may follow his example

- so it shows a lack of any sense of responsibility.

 

You may disagree with it and think that a country leader may say anything that comes to his mind, whatever the consequences. OK, but it has nothing to do with first amendment and the other diversions you make.

I am sorry Candide but I have to agree with Crazy Alex, why would anyone listen to anything trump says. I mean you'l have to be Crazy.