Huawei CFO Meng loses key court fight against extradition to United States

[brucec64]

16 hours ago, mvdf said:

Canada should first look into Commonwealth legal precedents and give them serious and extraordinary weight when adjudicating this extradition case. There's the arrogant diplomat-wannabe who murdered Harry Dunn and escaped prosecution in the UK by returning to the US and preposterously and shamelessly claiming diplomatic immunity. These long-nosed bullies have the audacity.

 

Good on China for standing their ground.  

Read the judicial decision. Legal precedents going back into the 1800s were referenced. They were given serious and extraordinary weight. 

 

Good on China? Do you see how the two Canadians in custody are being treated while Meng lives in her $10 miilion dollar house and can freely walk around Vancouver? You really need to get some perspective. 

[brucec64]

1 hour ago, Banana7 said:

Please read post #23 and the entire judgement which explains the law, relevant cases, and analysis. Canadian sanctions on Iran have no relevance in the case.

That would be too much work. It's much easier to make an opinion based on zero facts, and then get really angry about it...

[JeffersLos]

Non-American.

 

Detained outside of America.

 

For allegedly breaking American laws while not in America.

 

 

America should be boycotted every time they get non-Americans detained in other countries for allegedly breaking American laws without ever having been there. 

[brucec64]

16 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:

Non-American.

 

Detained outside of America.

 

For allegedly breaking American laws while not in America.

 

 

America should be boycotted every time they get non-Americans detained in other countries for allegedly breaking American laws without ever having been there. 

She broke US banking laws on banking transactions within the US. That puts her within US jurisdiction.

 

At least understand the case before spouting anti-US vitriol.

[from the home of CC]

21 hours ago, JeffersLos said:

Ahh, yes, a non-American detained outside of America for breaking American laws while not in America. 

 

Gotta laugh. 

Treaty, a binding formal agreement, contract, or other written instrument that establishes obligations between two or more subjects of international law (primarily states and international organizations).

 

Extradition is the formal process of one state surrendering an individual to another state for prosecution or punishment for crimes committed in the requesting country's jurisdiction. It typically is enabled by a bilateral or multilateral treaty. Some states will extradite without a treaty, but those cases are rare

 

 yes that's what an extradition treaty is all about..

 

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, brucec64 said:

She broke US banking laws on banking transactions within the US. That puts her within US jurisdiction.

 

At least understand the case before spouting anti-US vitriol.

So is there anything wrong with the post you reacted to?

 

Is she an American? Was she in the US? Was she detained in America?

[brucec64]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

So is there anything wrong with the post you reacted to?

 

Is she an American? Was she in the US? Was she detained in America?

Just because you don't have an understanding of the law, or you just don't like it, doesn't make this process wrong. It has been explained in a few posts already so just scroll up if this is too confusing for you.

[stevenl]

Just now, brucec64 said:

Just because you don't have an understanding of the law, or you just don't like it, doesn't make this process wrong. It has been explained in a few posts already so just scroll up if this is too confusing for you.

So no answer to my question.

[brucec64]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So no answer to my question.

She "allegedly" lied to bankers in Hong Kong about affiliations with a company doing business with Iran. The bank would not have done business with her knowing the truth. As a result, HSBC moved over $100 million dollars for her through US clearing houses. That is where US banking laws were broken, and the fraud was her law. She is charged with bank fraud. She was arrested in Canada because US exercised the extradition treaty. That is how a non-American is arrested outside of the US for breaking US laws.

 

To put it in simpler terms - if I'm in Thailand and I hack a bank in France, and get stopped going through London, and sent to France for trial, you would not be in an uproar, even though i'm not French and not on French soil. It is possible to break any countries laws while outside of the country. In fact, Thailand's Lege Majeste law extends beyond the borders, and many countries have human trafficking laws for offences that occur outside of their own country.

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

She "allegedly" lied to bankers in Hong Kong about affiliations with a company doing business with Iran. The bank would not have done business with her knowing the truth. As a result, HSBC moved over $100 million dollars for her through US clearing houses. That is where US banking laws were broken, and the fraud was her law. She is charged with bank fraud. She was arrested in Canada because US exercised the extradition treaty. That is how a non-American is arrested outside of the US for breaking US laws.

 

To put it in simpler terms - if I'm in Thailand and I hack a bank in France, and get stopped going through London, and sent to France for trial, you would not be in an uproar, even though i'm not French and not on French soil. It is possible to break any countries laws while outside of the country. In fact, Thailand's Lege Majeste law extends beyond the borders, and many countries have human trafficking laws for offences that occur outside of their own country.

Thanks for that, and for confirming the poster you reacted to with 'at least understand the case before spouting anti-US vitriol' was correct.

[brucec64]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Thanks for that, and for confirming the poster you reacted to with 'at least understand the case before spouting anti-US vitriol' was correct.

He was not correct - he called for a boycott of the US for an action that is fully recognized under international law. That was the vitriol.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

He was not correct - he called for a boycott of the US for an action that is fully recognized under international law. That was the vitriol.

You mean you disagree with his opinion. Yes, that is your good right.

[impulse]

On 5/28/2020 at 5:03 AM, Eric Loh said:

Does Canada have similar sanctions on Iran? If the answer is no, how then can the Canadian bank be put at risk. Such a miscarriage of justice. 

 

How many billions of dollars did American investors lose because the management of Luckin Coffee lied to their investors about revenue numbers?  She's in the crosshairs because she lied about Huawei's exposure to risk from their dealings with Iran.  Forgetting whether doing business with Iran is a crime in Canada, lying to your investors and creditors is fraud almost anywhere you go. 

 

With one glaring exception, where it's almost mandatory.  That according to Tsun Tsu.

 

Edit:  I'd also suggest that former Luckin management refrain from landing anywhere that has an extradition treaty with the USA...

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by impulse

[sscc]

On 5/28/2020 at 3:58 AM, blazes said:

This whole mess is entirely the fault of the utterly incompetent Trudeau regime.  All the Canadians had to do (in December 2018) to avoid being embroiled in this was to tell the Huawei princess that if she got off the plane in Vancouver, she would be immediately arrested.

 

Stay home (as we are constantly told these days)....if Trudeau had told her to stay home, none of this

BS would be happening.

 

 

This event was initiated by John Bolton,  former USA National Security Advisor. 

Trump did not care about this matter as trump understood holding her up in Canada or USA is not useful in any way of stopping Huawei.   ( How often Trump tweeted about her ? ) 

 

Canadian government was willing to go along.  And Canadian public support this action while entire world had laughed at Canada about this case since Dec 2018. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Banana7]

For those of you who maybe interested, please find attached for your review, enjoyment and comment, on the Grand Jury indictments against Meng as filed in the Brooklyn Office of Eastern District of New York, U.S. District Court . It is these charges that Meng is being in the process of being extradited to USA

huawei_et_al._indictment_0_0.pdf

[Gee Ku]

"Gotta laugh", JeffersLOS? Don't you realize it that American law is global law that all nations have to uphold or face sanction?  That has been demonstrated demostrated repeatedly by the bullying US government over the decades. Now China is learning how to bully nations better than the US did and do.

[rvaviator]

On 5/28/2020 at 10:45 PM, brucec64 said:

I read the 26 page judicial decision. The Iran sanctions were not the "essence" of the case. The lies made by Weng were the essence of the fraud, and the Iranian sanctions were a "state of affairs". And this a big differentiator in how extradition cases are judged.  But that would not matter in your beloved China, because the case would be decided purely on it's political merit. It's quite obvious from the Chinese propaganda rags that it is seriously beyond Chinese comprehension how a case would not be influenced by politics.

 

If you can get to the judicial decision over the great firewall, you should give it a read. But don't get caught - might lower your social score!

You do know that TV is clocked in China ???? .