Biden faces balancing act as activists call to 'defund the police'

[Paul Henry]

mr mr. At least Biden pills are a prescribed by his doctor and are taken to improve his health.Potus with his draw full of drugs looks like he can,t manage or count what he takes but they sure have mucked up his brain.

200 rambling tweets in one day a world record no one would be proud of. Quick back down the bunker for another " half inspection"

[buick]

i'm just taking a guess here but i have a feeling what the 'defund' folks want to achieve will cost MORE money than is currently in police budgets.  so it is going to be more than just a reallocation.  it might be worth the money but i hope it isn't sold as money saver. 

 

edit:  in the past, i've read that a big portion of police budgets are for pensions.  that can't be reallocated at all.

Edited June 9, 2020 by buick

[checkered flag]

35 minutes ago, Paul Henry said:

mr mr. At least Biden pills are a prescribed by his doctor and are taken to improve his health.

He needs more than a few pills. He has a long history of talking nonsense. His deal making is very suspect and his son is a spitting image of dad. See if he tries playing the tough guy when he has to debate POTUS and can't remember what he had for breakfast.

[chilli42]

Does anyone ever question why the crime rate in the USA is so high?  Do people ever consider why the USA has such a high percent of its population in jail?  It surely is not because the police are too well funded. I won’t deny that the police need to be sorted out, they have gone way over the top and seem to be a magnet for nut jobs that want to inflict pain on others under the cover of the law.  Defunding is absurd, its an attempt to punish the bullies without dealing with why the police have become bullies in the first place.  If Biden agrees with defunding he will be crucified by Trump and the majority of Americans who want peace, law and order. 

[Eric Loh]

At least Biden understand what defunding entails but not bunker Trump. He is confused with defunding, dismantling and disbanding; lumping them together. 

 

"There won't be defunding, there won't be dismantling of our police and there is not going to be any disbanding of our police," he said at the afternoon event.

[ChouDoufu]

5 hours ago, checkered flag said:

But Joe needs to play to his base. It's a tough position for him.

 

not really.  'defunding' is a radical bumper sticker the trump campaign wants to use for its own propaganda purposes.  divide and conquer tactic.

 

biden can easily defuse this by saying he wants to 'demilitarize' the police.  take away their tanks and grenade launchers.  cut funding for military 'style' tactics training and instead put more emphasis on basic police skills.  (simple stuff like cpr and not killing handcuffed suspects in view of the cameras.) 

 

add some blahblah to fill out a press release and he looks quite reasonable, in comparison to "looters and shooters", and tear-gas and bible photo ops.

[nobodysfriend]

The roots of this racial problem of the mostly white cops are not of financial nature ... They have a sometimes tough job to do and that hardened them , sometimes to a point that they should be taken off duty immediately .

Black subculture is regarded as a threat to many , sometimes not without reason . Need to react in an adequate way , violence alone will not solve the problem , neither does money .

[TKDfella]

Well, only goes to show how quickly the populace can change the ideas for campaigning. Interesting times ahead, eh?

[Deli]

Instead of defunding the police, the thugs, looters and rioting people must be held liable for the damage they caused to the community and the fines they have to pay should go to fund the police and people they "protesters "harmed. It looks like that most people forget that the police was arresting a criminal suspect, which is their job.

 

[blazes]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

At least Biden understand what defunding entails but not bunker Trump. He is confused with defunding, dismantling and disbanding; lumping them together. 

 

"There won't be defunding, there won't be dismantling of our police and there is not going to be any disbanding of our police," he said at the afternoon event.

 

the 3 verbs used by Trump and quoted by you indicate a PROCESS, so there is no 'confusion' for anyone with a good grasp of the English language.

 

[sirineou]

12 hours ago, simple1 said:

I have read some police are in favour to channel some of their funds to social services as police are fed up with having to deal with the homeless, mental health sufferers and so on. I would guess that it's a branding issue as 'defunding police' has a negative connotation. 

Which is what many of these "activists" (aka political hacks) , more power to them. They have no intention of curing the patient.if they did they will be out of a job. It is a game the Right and the Left have being playing as long as I can remember and the American people a cough in the middle of a political football game. .   

[rosst]

13 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Life. It comes at you fast.

 

"Nine out of 13 Minneapolis City Council members stood up on the stage to announce their intent to disband the city's police department, CBS Minnesota reports."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-announces-intent-disband-police/

 

"Minneapolis lawmakers vow to disband police department in historic move"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/07/minneapolis-city-council-defund-police-george-floyd

Good grief have they been smoking whippy weed? 

[Cryingdick]

11 hours ago, Berkshire said:

Yes, but the average low-information American is not going to get it.  Call it police reform, fine.  But if they keep repeating "defund the police," even moderates will take that to mean getting rid of the police and complete lawlessness (no doubt the right wing will hammer that point).  It's almost like Bernie and his socialist moniker.  No matter how he tried to explain it, the right will always equate it to evil socialism/communism. 

What about the use of disbanding the police as some are calling for? I am not sure the average low-information black person (if we need to resort to these sort of low brow insults) will comprehend the term reform. They are doing their best to paint themselves in a corner. Ilhan Omar would be smart to just disappear right now, people like her scare normal people.

 

Police departments are chronically under funded. Cops don't get paid a lot that's why you get the talent pool you have on the forces. Some people would rather work at Amazon warehouses for that money.

 

If you want an effective police force you need more technology. However we have seen lately how it will be used. Face recognition, drones in the park hovering, contact tracing leading to quarantines. I am not sure how effective you want the police to be? 

 

Not sure I want a tech savvy police force that follows people to church to issue citations but is unwilling or unable to intervene when the looting happens. 

 

Another matter is that some of this gibberish about defunding comes from the fact that local governments are broke. Maybe they can shift the focus onto the police and then sell off the force to patch the huge holes in what they used to call their budgets.

 

 

[honcho]

19 hours ago, Thailand said:

All Biden has to do to win in November is to keep his mouth shut.

certainly better than opening it and putting his foot in!! but the don has got this anyway! go donny

[whaleboneman]

20 hours ago, checkered flag said:

There are also be a certain percent of bad people that take or harm others. Deal with the "bad" cops and honor those who serve.

I have no idea what "mythologies" you are referring to. Discrimination and separation are unknown to me. I judge people on what they do and how they act, and expect other to do the same for me.

And many racists don't believe they are racists.

[whaleboneman]

9 hours ago, Deli said:

Instead of defunding the police, the thugs, looters and rioting people must be held liable for the damage they caused to the community and the fines they have to pay should go to fund the police and people they "protesters "harmed. It looks like that most people forget that the police was arresting a criminal suspect, which is their job.

 

Actually, the police were murdering a suspect. 

[rabas]

2 hours ago, whaleboneman said:

And many racists don't believe they are racists.

How many?

 

Far more people blindly call others racist, xenophobe, and all the other words of the day at the behest of the political party using race and minorities as political tools. You cannot possibly believe  you can improve racial issues by calling total strangers or even entire races racist. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/9/2020 at 11:39 AM, Thailand said:

All Biden has to do to win in November is to keep his mouth shut.

Bit hard to do that in a debate.

[Tug]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Bit hard to do that in a debate.

Are you kidding?lol debates are about facts and truths trump won’t debate lol anything above elementary school playground bully boy bs is about all he’s got lol no I don’t think so rember now he has a track record!

[checkered flag]

Joe doesn't have a clue. He just rides the emotion of the day. His handlers only wake him to say something and even then he can get it wrong. Best to let him stay asleep downstairs, 

[blazes]

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Are you kidding?lol debates are about facts and truths trump won’t debate lol anything above elementary school playground bully boy bs is about all he’s got lol no I don’t think so rember now he has a track record!

 

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Clearly, my good man, you seem to have forgotten that Trump debated with the Clinton hag in 2016 and wiped the floor with her.

 

And equally clearly, you have never attended a debate, where truth and facts take a definite second place to WINNING an argument.

And after the debate (as most people on this website will probably attest) the "winner" is decided by the CNN and Fox "juries".  They (the juries) couldn't give a sh*t about Truth and Facts , but merely by who WON.  Won by any means.

 

 

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Clearly, my good man, you seem to have forgotten that Trump debated with the Clinton hag in 2016 and wiped the floor with her.

 

And equally clearly, you have never attended a debate, where truth and facts take a definite second place to WINNING an argument.

And after the debate (as most people on this website will probably attest) the "winner" is decided by the CNN and Fox "juries".  They (the juries) couldn't give a sh*t about Truth and Facts , but merely by who WON.  Won by any means.

 

 

When Trump say this, the debate descended into a comic act with him alone as the comedian. 
"nobody has more respect for women than I do" - a response that had the reporters in the media work room snickering. 

[blazes]

10 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

When Trump say this, the debate descended into a comic act with him alone as the comedian. 
"nobody has more respect for women than I do" - a response that had the reporters in the media work room snickering. 

 

And Creepy Joe has MORE "respect for women", does he??!!!!

[Redline]

https://www.google.co.th/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/how-defunding-the-police-department-worked-for-one-new-jersey-city/2452746/%3famp

[EVENKEEL]

15 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

When Trump say this, the debate descended into a comic act with him alone as the comedian. 
"nobody has more respect for women than I do" - a response that had the reporters in the media work room snickering. 

Of course that's hilarious, again you don't have to like Trump to vote for him.