StreetCowboy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 8:23 AM, Logosone said: Collectivism is not the father of Nazism. The father of Nazism was Communism, as Fascism and Nazism were a reaction to the agitation and violence of communism. Nazis originally wanted to preserve the lower middle class against the threat of violent revolution from the left. Read your Ernst Nolte. Communism is also the father of the Antifa. All its life Communism, and Antifa, want to overthrow what exists. Destroy it completely and replace it with, what they and they alone know is a better way. This is why Antifa want destruction and chaos. They hate the current order and want it gone. Racism is just a vehicle. A front. For the useful idiots. It's not about Baden Powell, or Cecil Rhodes, or Edward Colston. It's about imposing their own values on the rest of us, and first all that was before has to go. It’s about destroying our values that we grew up with, rather than changing them. Personally, I like and, to some extent, understand the status quo. If BLM disrupts that, what can I turn to for defence against the lunacy of Brexit and the criminals and buffoons behind it? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: It’s about destroying our values that we grew up with, rather than changing them. Personally, I like and, to some extent, understand the status quo. If BLM disrupts that, what can I turn to for defence against the lunacy of Brexit and the criminals and buffoons behind it? You are dealing with bafoons and lunacy at this very moment, your new future....???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, transam said: You are dealing with bafoons and lunacy at this very moment, your new future....???? Exactly. And people undermining British traditions and way of life are not helping at this time when we are under attack from the far right disaster capitalists 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 hours ago, Rookiescot said: People should not be burning any flags. There is a lot of things people should not be doing, arguing over a democratic vote for 5 years is just another. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, vogie said: There is a lot of things people should not be doing, arguing over a democratic vote for 5 years is just another. You’re right. We should revoke it, stand under, like Winston Churchill, like Baden Powell would have done, and revoked it as the treacherous betrayal of our nation that it was. Sadly, there were none amongst us man enough to do so. We are a nation hoist by our own petard, betrayed by our honesty to an international sentiment of which we are not part. I feel grateful that my dear old mother will not have to bear this idiocy much longer, though sad that my children may have to suffer it throughout and beyond their Lives. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: You’re right. We should revoke it, stand under, like Winston Churchill, like Baden Powell would have done, and revoked it as the treacherous betrayal of our nation that it was. Sadly, there were none amongst us man enough to do so. We are a nation hoist by our own petard, betrayed by our honesty to an international sentiment of which we are not part. I feel grateful that my dear old mother will not have to bear this idiocy much longer, though sad that my children may have to suffer it throughout and beyond their Lives. What, no Romanians............?.......???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Oh dear, just watching a live feed of the "defenders" one old veteran bloke with flag and the usual middle aged men with beer guts lol. Hopefully the police and the street kids batter them. If they are not looking for a fight, then I'm the pope! Edited June 13, 2020 by tribalfusion001 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: Oh dear, just watching a live feed of the "defenders" one old veteran bloke with flag and the usual middle aged men with beer guts lol. Hopefully the police and the street kids batter them. If they are not looking for a fight, then I'm the pope! Perhaps that old veteran bloke is one of the reasons you are able to talk here today.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, transam said: Perhaps that old veteran bloke is one of the reasons you are able to talk here today.... It's like a broken record, the war ended 75 years ago, time has moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 19 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: You’re right. We should revoke it, stand under, like Winston Churchill, like Baden Powell would have done, and revoked it as the treacherous betrayal of our nation that it was. Sadly, there were none amongst us man enough to do so. We are a nation hoist by our own petard, betrayed by our honesty to an international sentiment of which we are not part. I feel grateful that my dear old mother will not have to bear this idiocy much longer, though sad that my children may have to suffer it throughout and beyond their Lives. Hankie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Defenders here if you want to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: It's like a broken record, the war ended 75 years ago, time has moved on. I wonder if you'd be able to say that if the result had been different? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: It's like a broken record, the war ended 75 years ago, time has moved on. And slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Many of the statues have been there for over 100 years. If it's time to "move on" about the war, why are there protests about those statues? Why not simply move on to something else? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: Oh dear, just watching a live feed of the "defenders" one old veteran bloke with flag and the usual middle aged men with beer guts lol. Hopefully the police and the street kids batter them. If they are not looking for a fight, then I'm the pope! I suppose you mean the police and the street kids, Your Eminence? Edited June 13, 2020 by nauseus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Loiner said: And slavery was abolished nearly 200 years ago. Many of the statues have been there for over 100 years. If it's time to "move on" about the war, why are there protests about those statues? Why not simply move on to something else? All of it should move on, no more slaver statues, no more about WW1 and WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post transam Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: It's like a broken record, the war ended 75 years ago, time has moved on. So you think the Cenotaph should be demolished, that I should forget my dads war injuries, my mums constant memories of dead folk on London streets, do you...? There is a saying out there..."Lest we Forget".......Yeh, it's mummy's boys like you that want to forget, the stuff you have never suffered, typical. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 6 hours ago, transam said: You better get to Rome, S.A.P, with your hammer and chisel and start demolishing the Colosseum.. Right up your street..... Hmmh, did Rome belong to your little "Empire"? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: All of it should move on, no more slaver statues, no more about WW1 and WW2. Never happened. None of it. We was all born yesterday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: All of it should move on, no more slaver statues, no more about WW1 and WW2. Typical "I'm all right Jack" comment, forget what YOUR family went through so you could be here today......That reminds me, where's my cat.....I call her Pussy..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, transam said: So you think the Cenotaph should be demolished, that I should forget my dads war injuries, my mums constant memories of dead folk on London streets, do you...? There is a saying out there..."Lest we Forget".......Yeh, it's mummy's boys like you that want to forget, the stuff you have never suffered, typical. Waterloo is not celebrated anymore, time will move on and the living past will have disappeared. I didn't say anything about the Cenotaph, The Glorious Dead, and of course it should be taught in schools. This is the 21st century and the Germans are not our enemies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, transam said: Typical "I'm all right Jack" comment, forget what YOUR family went through so you could be here today......That reminds me, where's my cat.....I call her Pussy..... In 50 years time no one will be left from WW2, does it need to be celebrated out of living memory, no it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: Hmmh, did Rome belong to your little "Empire"? Who's little empire....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Well, this lot at Parliament square are diverse; young, middle, old, slim, medium, fat and obese white males lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, transam said: Who's little empire....? That of Little Britain of course. This thread is about Britain. So how Rome comes in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said: In 50 years time no one will be left from WW2, does it need to be celebrated out of living memory, no it doesn't. You haven't a clue what the Cenotaph is about, not a clue, but to be expected from someone who wants to destroy GB history. Sad, very sad.... In that case YOU target the closure of Holocaust extermination camps, it's history YOU think should be closed........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: That of Little Britain of course. This thread is about Britain. So how Rome comes in here? What Little Britain.....? So you haven't heard the slavery thing has gone worldwide, oh well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: You’re right. We should revoke it, stand under, like Winston Churchill, like Baden Powell would have done, and revoked it as the treacherous betrayal of our nation that it was. Sadly, there were none amongst us man enough to do so. We are a nation hoist by our own petard, betrayed by our honesty to an international sentiment of which we are not part. I feel grateful that my dear old mother will not have to bear this idiocy much longer, though sad that my children may have to suffer it throughout and beyond their Lives. Democracy 1 Petulant Oppostion 0. Final result, no replays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chelseafan Posted June 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said: Waterloo is not celebrated anymore, time will move on and the living past will have disappeared. I didn't say anything about the Cenotaph, The Glorious Dead, and of course it should be taught in schools. This is the 21st century and the Germans are not our enemies. Except when it comes to penalties. Seriously though, you have a very myopic view of history. We are living in one of the most peaceful times ever and it's thanks to people who have given their lives over the years (and centuries) that we have got to where we are today, can we improve, of course but If you don't teach people about history, including the good and the bad, how will they ever learn ? Sterilising history is dangerous and you cannot select at a whim what should be remembered. Well maybe you can. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 8 of first 10 of USA presidents were slaveholders. Neither John Adams nor John Q Adams were. ////////// & Oh, I thought it was Sir Baden-Powell. Edited June 13, 2020 by papa al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tribalfusion001 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chelseafan said: Except when it comes to penalties. Seriously though, you have a very myopic view of history. We are living in one of the most peaceful times ever and it's thanks to people who have given their lives over the years (and centuries) that we have got to where we are today, can we improve, of course but If you don't teach people about history, including the good and the bad, how will they ever learn ? Sterilising history is dangerous and you cannot select at a whim what should be remembered. Well maybe you can. The problem is the people who celebrate the history, it's been hijacked to relive former glories and those days are gone. This lot today are already looking for fights at 11am, sad dangerous days. Now they have broken through they cordon and fighting with the police. Edited June 13, 2020 by tribalfusion001 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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