Months before election, Trump finds himself at odds with most Americans' views

[bendejo]

Dumbest thing is fretting over the numbers now, the only poll that matters is the one on November 3rd.

A lot can and will happen by then, like the rising body count, changes in the economy, and a person crucial to the status quo may no longer be breathing.  The spectre of death looms over everyday lives in general as well as world affairs.  And then there are foreign leaders who see DT for what he is (as opposed to the _____ who believe what he says he is), and will take advantage of his ineptness: it is in their interest to keep this bozo in his position. 

Be sure that ANY numbers that come out of the White House are suspect, it is run by a person who has no qualms at all about having his finger on the scale.  If he manages to be in the WH on January 21st it will be the start of a very different regime -- no more pandering to the polls, the next step would be along these lines:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/10/president-for-life-putin-opens-door-to-extending-rule-until-2036-a69576

 

 

[dundee48]

10 hours ago, J Town said:

SDNY has a mountain of indictments waiting for the instant the crown is removed. I doubt ANY of the family is sleeping well at night.

Of course they have diddums,you keep hanging onto that daydream.

[dundee48]

10 hours ago, jcsmith said:

What planet are you on?

Hopefully not the same one you are.

[dundee48]

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

We don't need a great candidate. Trump has beaten himself. Mylie Cyrus could beat him at this point. 

Wow,you`ve got it bad.I feel sorry for you.

[bwpage3]

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It also shows him steadily bleeding support among a broad swath of voters, even ones that have been most loyal to him such as rural Americans and white evangelicals.

 

This is absolutely the truth, and multiple bipartisan polls are showing a massive drop in approval over the last 6 weeks. If the polls are correct, and his approval has dropped 9-11%, that means 20% of his extremely loyal base has finally decided they cannot abide by him and his policies, and his erratic behavior, and his inane tweets any longer. Five months before an election that is huuuuuge. And not good news for Trump.

 

The recent events have shown him to be a relic of the past, out of tune, out of touch, tone deaf, hateful, and unwilling to make any meaningful effort to address the issues that have caused the largest protests in the US, since 1968. This stuff is not happening in a vacuum. There are real issues. Issuing a token statement of support, and meeting with the families of the dead men, who have been slaughtered by some very bad cops (and continually supported by some very toxic police unions), is not a solution. Leadership is a solution, and the GOP is starting to understand that the extreme lack of leadership is going to cost them in November. Big time. I predict he will be defeated by 8-10 million votes, in a historic landslide election. And he will be ushered out of DC in utter humiliation and shame, to a life of obscurity, something he will not be able to handle. No more management deals, no more billions. Just a crumbling business, that was once an empire, and possibly even legal charges against him, for the multiple counts of felony fraud he has committed with his bank loans. 

Who have been slaughtered by some very bad cops

 

This is the biggest overstatement of the year!

 

Slaughtered? Get yourself a dictionary and educate yourself please. 

 

Here is an example of slaughter: In just 100 days in 1994, about 800,000 people were slaughtered in Rwanda by ethnic Hutu extremists.

 

In 2020 to date 31 Blacks killed by police, none of them slaughtered Mike.

 

Around the same number of cops have been killed in the line of duty.

 

Joe Biden, probably your personal hero, has already said 10 to 15% of Americans are just bad people. That goes across all races. religions. creeds. occupations.

 

Is Leadership going to get these 10 to 15% in compliance with the next election? Or course not. People will commit crime, fact of life some races do it more than others.

 

Chicago had 754 murders in 2016. 564 in 2018. 490 in 2019. Any comments on why this is? Controlled by the Democrats with the toughest gun laws in America? Do you think they care who is the President? Think they vote or engage in politics? Probably not Mike.

 

Do you think taking Aunt Jamima's picture off of a pancake syrup bottle is going to help? Do you think trying to tear down history that already happened 100 years ago is going to help? Should they rewrite every history book every written? Come on, common sense.

 

People get killed every day in the US and other cities around the world. Brazil had 41,635 killings in 2019. Does that bother you?

 

Do you think a new leader with solve all those murders?

 

You really need to get on grip on the facts of life and not your personal exaggerations. 

 

It's simple really. DON'T BREAK THE LAW. 

 

I don't see the cops arresting any of my black coworkers?

 

Why is that? They don't break the law, pretty simple idea really.

 

PS

 

I was having lunch at Port Canaveral, Florida today and was shocked how many expensive Yachts sailed by flying a Trump 2020 flag.

 

 

 

 

[bwpage3]

9 hours ago, tonbridgebrit said:

 

Yes, but you still accept that, that Trump winning later this year will be disastrous for America and planet earth ?  Trump is a clown, and has already harmed America and the rest of the world.
His attitude to China, Muslims and Mexicans. Trump is living proof that the general public can be fooled into voting for a load of rubbish. Yes, turkeys voting for Christmas.

How will it be disastrous? Because you read that in the news somewhere?

 

Stimulus checks, gas prices lowest they have been in years, record low interest rates, etc.

 

From where I sit, it appears if that is more disaster waiting to happen, I am all for it.

 

I don't want to make up stories how Trump has harmed the rest of the world, I am only concerned what it is doing for me personally.

 

Life is good, economically better than it has been for years and years for me.

 

 

 

 

[OZinPattaya]

7 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Much has being revealed, but was not actionable because of Presidential privilege. . but not all  would have been made public if there were sealed indictments to protect against  statute of limitations . 

If he is not reelected pay particular attention to the southern district of  New York, and Florida. 

" The statute of limitations refers to the time period between when an offense is committed and the individual is charged (i.e., indicted.) However, there are actions that can cause this time period to toll (stop running), and there are states and/or crimes for which there is no “statute of limitation.” For the federal government, this time period is very generally five years, and that is one of the reasons why a “sealed indictment” might be issued, to stop this “clock” from running while keeping an investigation secret. " 

https://www.quora.com/When-sealed-indictments-are-issued-does-that-stop-the-clock-on-the-statute-of-limitations

What do you, or your ilk, really think you're accomplishing other than proving your own political bias. I was no great fan of Bill Clinton but I never supported Starr's witch-hunt against him. So, you got an impeached Democrat and now an impeached Republican. Congratulations. You just accomplished something completely predictable!

[dundee48]

9 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

My thought on his out, is declining to run citing overwhelming business losses due to his sacrifices in serving the country (the economic balance sheets will show a different story) and his concern for his health as serving has simply ravaged his well being. And I, for one will be quite about this as he leaves knowing that the full weight of history will tell the facts and it will haunt him till his dying day.

What the hell did that even mean?

[dundee48]

4 hours ago, Saraburi121 said:

I'm an American and Trump is at odds with most of my views which are mostly conservative. Also at odds with using loyalty in place of leadership. The weakest form of leadership is to divide then demand loyalty, not honesty and integrity, from your subordinates.  

Sure thing,something obama,Bush etc would never dream of doing.

[dundee48]

2 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

For all you jealous mediocrities out there worrying about the fate of Trump, let me give you a far more likely scenario: Fabulously rich Donald plays lots of golf, bangs lots of hot women, basks in the glory of his hot wife, and most likely his many mistresses, cherry-picks his opportunities, and laughs all the way to the bank. While you are fretting endlessly over a foreign government's whim over your immigration status.

 

Don't project your own insecurities onto the Donald. A pretty sweet life awaits the Orange Man whether he's reelected or not. Don't delude yourself because it makes you feel better

So true.

[dundee48]

48 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

And do you have personal knowledge of them both being liars or just hearsay?

No I have personal knowledge.

[sirineou]

59 minutes ago, OZinPattaya said:

What do you, or your ilk, really think you're accomplishing other than proving your own political bias. I was no great fan of Bill Clinton but I never supported Starr's witch-hunt against him. So, you got an impeached Democrat and now an impeached Republican. Congratulations. You just accomplished something completely predictable!

My "Ilk" provided you with an analysis supported by quotes and links , where your 'ilk" is providing unsubstantiated, unsupported  opinion. 

  And you were a great fan of slick willy, where he looked straight in the eye, shook his finger at you  at you and said " I never had sex with that lady"  and when he was asked if his statement "there's nothing going on between us " was truthful he replied " It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."  I guess  I see why you like trump .

[OZinPattaya]

23 minutes ago, sirineou said:

My "Ilk" provided you with an analysis supported by quotes and links , where your 'ilk" is providing unsubstantiated, unsupported  opinion. 

  And you were a great fan of slick willy, where he looked straight in the eye, shook his finger at you  at you and said " I never had sex with that lady"  and when he was asked if his statement "there's nothing going on between us " was truthful he replied " It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."  I guess  I see why you like trump .

How was I a great fan of Slick Willy? You need to lay off the caffeine, my friend. And learn how to read.

 

NOT a big fan of Bill Clinton. Even so, I did not support the Republican partisan impeachment of him.

 

Edited June 19, 2020 by OZinPattaya

[sirineou]

Just now, OZinPattaya said:

How was I a great fan of Slick Willy? You need to lay off the caffeine, my friend. And learn how to read.

You are right i miss read your post

[Damual Travesty]

The same Ipso/Reuters poll predicted that Hillary Clinton would have a 90 percent chance of winning enough electoral college votes to win the 2016 Presidential election. SEE: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-polls/how-the-polls-including-ours-missed-trumps-victory-idUSKBN1343O6

 

If anyone has not caught on yet, these polls are all pretty much meaningless. In general, we are still to far out to make any predictions, especially in a USA with so many rapidly changing events.

 

Polls can tell you based upon calling X amount of people out of a population of Y we can get a sample, and based upon the sample size out of population you get a +/- percentage, but such polls have absolutely no way of determining how many people are simply lying through their teeth when the pollster calls them.

 

In the case of Trump voters they came to the believe long ago that anyone who calls their house is pretty much the enemy.

 

And yes, even if a poll results were to claim Trump was cruising to victory I still would not put any faith in it.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Damual Travesty
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[jcsmith]

26 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

Polls can tell you based upon calling X amount of people out of a population of Y we can get a sample, and based upon the sample size out of population you get a +/- percentage, but such polls have absolutely no way of determining how many people are simply lying through their teeth when the pollster calls them.

Biden is thumping Trump by 12 points on Fox News polls...

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-poll-biden-leads-trump-coronavirus-racism-unemployment-2020-6

Edited June 20, 2020 by jcsmith

[Andrew65]

11 hours ago, mlmcleod said:

Yes Hillary was so unpopular that she beat Trump by over 3,000,000 votes.  Trump only won the election via the archaic electoral college.  That seems to be about the only any Republican will win anymore!

 

Vote in November!

In the UK we also have an archaic system. A party can get 37% of the vote and win a majority, or 11.5% of the vote (UKIP) and no seats, when they should've won 70+.

[Road Warrior]

good for the world to oust trump

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, sirineou said:

Much has being revealed, but was not actionable because of Presidential privilege. . but not all  would have been made public if there were sealed indictments to protect against  statute of limitations . 

If he is not reelected pay particular attention to the southern district of  New York, and Florida. 

" The statute of limitations refers to the time period between when an offense is committed and the individual is charged (i.e., indicted.) However, there are actions that can cause this time period to toll (stop running), and there are states and/or crimes for which there is no “statute of limitation.” For the federal government, this time period is very generally five years, and that is one of the reasons why a “sealed indictment” might be issued, to stop this “clock” from running while keeping an investigation secret. " 

https://www.quora.com/When-sealed-indictments-are-issued-does-that-stop-the-clock-on-the-statute-of-limitations

I just wonder if his wife Melania or Barron will visit him in prison?

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

How will it be disastrous? Because you read that in the news somewhere?

 

Stimulus checks, gas prices lowest they have been in years, record low interest rates, etc.

 

From where I sit, it appears if that is more disaster waiting to happen, I am all for it.

 

I don't want to make up stories how Trump has harmed the rest of the world, I am only concerned what it is doing for me personally.

 

Life is good, economically better than it has been for years and years for me.

 

 

 

 

Yikes Wake up: 

Stimulus checks, gas prices lowest they have been in years, record low interest rates, etc. If Micky mouse was the President all of this still happens LOL

[Mavideol]

17 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I just wonder if his wife Melania or Barron will visit him in prison?

nahhh, neither one will waste their precious time

[earlinclaifornia]

8 hours ago, dundee48 said:

No I have personal knowledge.

What woke you up? The polls or admitting not having knowledge?

[skorp13]

23 hours ago, condobrit001 said:

That maybe so, but after the rally in Tulsa tomorrow which may attract over 80,000 frenzied Trump supporters all without masks and all  not respecting social distancing, his base will be eroded by the demise of these folks and their loved ones once they get back to their home states. Lets have more rallies Trump!

Who says they won't be wearing masks? Where do you get this stuff? So it is ok to not wear masks, gather in hundreds if not thousands rioting and looting not social distancing but not to gather peacefully to support a presidential candidate???

[skorp13]

23 hours ago, J Town said:

Must be why FOX NEWS just reported Biden far ahead in the polls. Those radical right news sources and their op-eds. My goodness.

Fox has taken a far bank to the left in the last 6 months or so. Doesn't change the fact that polls were wrong then and just may be wrong now. If the polls make you sleep better at night then by all means sir buy stock in them

[Eric Loh]

8 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

Who says they won't be wearing masks? Where do you get this stuff? So it is ok to not wear masks, gather in hundreds if not thousands rioting and looting not social distancing but not to gather peacefully to support a presidential candidate???

Over used argument. Apple and pear comparison. Former was spontaneous and most wore masks outdoor while latter is being organized, indoor and attendees unified by Trump’s no mask political statement. 

[johnpetersen]

6 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

Who says they won't be wearing masks? Where do you get this stuff? So it is ok to not wear masks, gather in hundreds if not thousands rioting and looting not social distancing but not to gather peacefully to support a presidential candidate???

Because Trump is the President of the United States. Because the CDC strongly supports the wearing of masks. Because the White House rules stipulate mask wearing.. Because as more and more research comes in, it turns out that the wearing of masks is the most powerful tool there is in stopping the pandemic. Imagine how many less deaths there would be if President Trump strongly endorsed the wearing of masks and did so himself. Instead he has politicized the issue so the his supporters are now less likely to wear mask themselves.

Why is there one set of rules for the White House and another set of rules for Trump's rallies?

[skorp13]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Over used argument. Apple and pear comparison. Former was spontaneous and most wore masks outdoor while latter is being organized, indoor and attendees unified by Trump’s no mask political statement. 

You believe the former was spontaneous? I have some beach front land in Nebraska i'd like to sell you

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

You believe the former was spontaneous? I have some beach front land in Nebraska i'd like to sell you

You mean Andrew Floyd’s death was planned. 

[johnpetersen]

7 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

You believe the former was spontaneous? I have some beach front land in Nebraska i'd like to sell you

You believe it wasn't? Then you and the dept of Homeland Security are in serious disagreement.

[metisdead]

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