UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[david555]

2 hours ago, transam said:

At least you understand what a "confused" emijon means, well done...

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[paddypower]

2 hours ago, GuyFawkes said:

Shows how little you know.  By former colonies I am guessing you are referring to Australia.  If so, to enhance your limited knowledge, Australia does not have a trade deal with the EU and I quote the

EU trade chief: ‘Australia-style’ Brexit agreement means no deal

‘We do not have an agreement with Australia,’ Phil Hogan says.

 

Updated 2/5/20, 11:36 AM CET

 

 

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You Brexiteers are a funny preculiar lot (meaning a unique group). Phil (and Ursula) was trying to politely tell Boris that he was the babbling idiot that he is, when he said what the topic quoted at the OP here. Steady on there.

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[transam]

6 minutes ago, paddypower said:

You Brexiteers are a funny preculiar lot (meaning a unique group). Phil (and Ursula) was trying to politely tell Boris that he was the babbling idiot that he is, when he said what the topic quoted at the OP here. Steady on there.

Are you saying the Brexit winning voters are all funny peculiar...? ????

[RuamRudy]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Fully aware of why Sunak has spaffed 30 billion on the middle class.

Can't afford to feed your kids? Here, this voucher for £10 off from our VERY good friends at Nando's will fill them up until your Universal Credit application is processed. 

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Are you saying the Brexit winning voters are all funny peculiar...? ????

Well definitely not funny ha ha very often. ????

 

Brexiteers are like my dog Rover. He spent 10 years chasing the neighbours cat, then one day he actually cornered it and didn't have a clue what to do next. So he sat down and licked his bal!s. 

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Well definitely not funny ha ha very often. ????

 

Brexiteers are like my dog Rover. He spent 10 years chasing the neighbours cat, then one day he actually cornered it and didn't have a clue what to do next. So he sat down and licked his bal!s. 

Similar stuff will happen to the remainer crowd after the UK moves on, and moved to Germany, in fact there are very few remainers posting here now, hope ol' Bomber is OK in the land of Man o' war cheap beer.....????

[Loiner]

57 minutes ago, transam said:

Similar stuff will happen to the remainer crowd after the UK moves on, and moved to Germany, in fact there are very few remainers posting here now, hope ol' Bomber is OK in the land of Man o' war cheap beer.....????

As the current negotiations see no capitulation from the UK side it's clear that Barnier is floundering and the EU chiefs are panicking. The topic seems to be full of euros who are enraged that they can't get their own way and their eutopia is doomed; paddies who picked the wrong side and realise they are now doomed; and jocks who would find an argument in a phone box and are always doomed.

The TVF Remainers from UK simply seem to have faded away.

[nauseus]

37 minutes ago, Loiner said:

As the current negotiations see no capitulation from the UK side it's clear that Barnier is floundering and the EU chiefs are panicking. The topic seems to be full of euros who are enraged that they can't get their own way and their eutopia is doomed; paddies who picked the wrong side and realise they are now doomed; and jocks who would find an argument in a phone box and are always doomed.

The TVF Remainers from UK simply seem to have faded away.

Well if they haven't, this should stimulate the woodwork.

[Rookiescot]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well if they haven't, this should stimulate the woodwork.

Still waiting for you to tell us all what it is that has the money markets so excited about a Brexit deal.

Please post a link to such information.

[tebee]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

As the current negotiations see no capitulation from the UK side it's clear that Barnier is floundering and the EU chiefs are panicking. The topic seems to be full of euros who are enraged that they can't get their own way and their eutopia is doomed; paddies who picked the wrong side and realise they are now doomed; and jocks who would find an argument in a phone box and are always doomed.

The TVF Remainers from UK simply seem to have faded away.

He doesn't sound as if he's floundering when he replied to Mark Francois's letter pointing out  they they were now demanding things contrary to what both he and Boris Johnson had already agreed to and voted for in parliament.

 

 https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/brexit_files/info_site/mb_letter_to_m._francois_redacted.pdf

 

EU is now content to let UK leave with no deal if we won't stick to our word on what we promised.

[nausea]

Just posturing, both sides know it's a win/win situation or a lose/lose situation. Like, the UK quit on "Australia terms", I don't think so.

[tebee]

it is a lose/lose situation. But the EU has much more to lose long term by capitulating to the UK's demand that it be given member privileges without contributing and abiding by the EU's rules and governing institutions. 

 

How long would a Golf  Club last if they let one former member play for free and not have to abide by the club rules ?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, nausea said:

Just posturing, both sides know it's a win/win situation or a lose/lose situation. Like, the UK quit on "Australia terms", I don't think so.

Yeah but you knew what you were voting for yeah?

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

it is a lose/lose situation. But the EU has much more to lose long term by capitulating to the UK's demand that it be given member privileges without contributing and abiding by the EU's rules and governing institutions. 

 

How long would a Golf  Club last if they let one former member play for free and not have to abide by the club rules ?

It's win/win all the way for the UK.

Your club's old captain and local businessman has supported the club and its members for so long now that you have given him a honorary membership. It was great while the club took advantage of his firm's sponsorship and all the members did plenty of trade with his company, but now his shareholders are going international and will not take care of the CEO's pet golf club any longer. His company is still happy to trade with the established customers at the golf club, especially the other committee members whose own businesses and special deals rely on his trade. He was a stickler for the club rules and is unlikely to break any, so he's allowed to play anytime so long as the committee's business interests are maintained. 

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

it is a lose/lose situation. But the EU has much more to lose long term by capitulating to the UK's demand that it be given member privileges without contributing and abiding by the EU's rules and governing institutions. 

 

How long would a Golf  Club last if they let one former member play for free and not have to abide by the club rules ?

your pension is paid in sterling,yes?

[candide]

3 hours ago, nausea said:

Just posturing, both sides know it's a win/win situation or a lose/lose situation. Like, the UK quit on "Australia terms", I don't think so.

I would tend to agree with you. The "standards" issue is a non-issue as it will be freedom INO anyway. It's more a question of finding a diplomatic way to express it. Other issues, however, may be more difficult to solve. So who knows?

 

However, there are also personal issues. BoJo may think he would have a more interesting job and a better opportunity to leave his mark on history in case of no-deal.

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, candide said:

I would tend to agree with you. The "standards" issue is a non-issue as it will be freedom INO anyway. It's more a question of finding a diplomatic way to express it. Other issues, however, may be more difficult to solve. So who knows?

 

However, there are also personal issues. BoJo may think he would have a more interesting job and a better opportunity to leave his mark on history in case of no-deal.

Yes there are those still gagging for a no deal, on some strange principle, and Bojo & co, might be excited at the go it alone prospects. As they have already distributed a lot of the "Covid" borrowings to their chums and companies based in tax havens, I expect there are no lengths to which they will not go to bleed the country dry. The fact is that if you combine Covid and Brexit you get an economic disaster of monster proportions.

 

It has been widely implied Dominic Cummings, Bojo's RH man, could be working for Putin. After failed business ventures during his long stay  in Russia he returned with friends and contacts in high places. Can you imagine a KGB Colonel not getting compro on him. Now he is visiting top security UK bases.

On the other hand Seamus Milne, Corbyn's RH man, was only too happy to promote the pro Russia line, also Corbyn himself, and others in his backroom team. 

What a weird co-incidence, maybe we should call it Putin's Brexit. Trump just does what Putin tells him of course, compro again?

No deal Brexit certainly suits Putin, no question about that.

[HauptmannUK]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

It's win/win all the way for the UK.

Your club's old captain and local businessman has supported the club and its members for so long now that you have given him a honorary membership. It was great while the club took advantage of his firm's sponsorship and all the members did plenty of trade with his company, but now his shareholders are going international and will not take care of the CEO's pet golf club any longer. His company is still happy to trade with the established customers at the golf club, especially the other committee members whose own businesses and special deals rely on his trade. He was a stickler for the club rules and is unlikely to break any, so he's allowed to play anytime so long as the committee's business interests are maintained. 

Sweet Jesus!  The utter garbage some people write on TVF!

[melvinmelvin]

34 minutes ago, HauptmannUK said:

Sweet Jesus!  The utter garbage some people write on TVF!

 

meets all your needs, TVF does

 

[tebee]

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

your pension is paid in sterling,yes?

Unfortunately yes most of it, however I do get some pension in Euros and some royalty income is $

[transam]

8 hours ago, Loiner said:

It's win/win all the way for the UK.

Your club's old captain and local businessman has supported the club and its members for so long now that you have given him a honorary membership. It was great while the club took advantage of his firm's sponsorship and all the members did plenty of trade with his company, but now his shareholders are going international and will not take care of the CEO's pet golf club any longer. His company is still happy to trade with the established customers at the golf club, especially the other committee members whose own businesses and special deals rely on his trade. He was a stickler for the club rules and is unlikely to break any, so he's allowed to play anytime so long as the committee's business interests are maintained. 

That maybe a bit complicated for some here to understand.........????........????

[hotandsticky]

3 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Sweet Jesus!  The utter garbage some people write on TVF!

 

 

Another who couldn't comprehend the analogy.

[transam]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Yeah but you knew what you were voting for yeah?

Indeed we did, leave the EU..........And we have...........

[transam]

3 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Sweet Jesus!  The utter garbage some people write on TVF!

Well you have a go then..............????

[transam]

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Yes there are those still gagging for a no deal, on some strange principle, and Bojo & co, might be excited at the go it alone prospects. As they have already distributed a lot of the "Covid" borrowings to their chums and companies based in tax havens, I expect there are no lengths to which they will not go to bleed the country dry. The fact is that if you combine Covid and Brexit you get an economic disaster of monster proportions.

 

It has been widely implied Dominic Cummings, Bojo's RH man, could be working for Putin. After failed business ventures during his long stay  in Russia he returned with friends and contacts in high places. Can you imagine a KGB Colonel not getting compro on him. Now he is visiting top security UK bases.

On the other hand Seamus Milne, Corbyn's RH man, was only too happy to promote the pro Russia line, also Corbyn himself, and others in his backroom team. 

What a weird co-incidence, maybe we should call it Putin's Brexit. Trump just does what Putin tells him of course, compro again?

No deal Brexit certainly suits Putin, no question about that.

What a load..... more lefty bluster.......Do you not know that other folk actually read that cr_p, good job you're anonymous eh............

[Logosone]

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Yes there are those still gagging for a no deal, on some strange principle, and Bojo & co, might be excited at the go it alone prospects. As they have already distributed a lot of the "Covid" borrowings to their chums and companies based in tax havens, I expect there are no lengths to which they will not go to bleed the country dry. The fact is that if you combine Covid and Brexit you get an economic disaster of monster proportions.

 

It has been widely implied Dominic Cummings, Bojo's RH man, could be working for Putin. After failed business ventures during his long stay  in Russia he returned with friends and contacts in high places. Can you imagine a KGB Colonel not getting compro on him. Now he is visiting top security UK bases.

On the other hand Seamus Milne, Corbyn's RH man, was only too happy to promote the pro Russia line, also Corbyn himself, and others in his backroom team. 

What a weird co-incidence, maybe we should call it Putin's Brexit. Trump just does what Putin tells him of course, compro again?

No deal Brexit certainly suits Putin, no question about that.

Those in the UK who want a "no-deal" Brexit obviously do so for ideological reasons and ideological reasons alone. They are, across the board, English nationalists and just sick of the EU.

 

There is nothing to be gained by the UK from a no deal scenario but a lot to be lost.

 

I would agree that Covid19 and Brexit will cause economic hardship for the UK that is not yet fully appreciated.

 

The fact that the Pound has not gotten anywhere close to its true value of 1.30 for a long time now would indicate the money markets are not hugely confident in the prospects of the UK economy.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Logosone said:

Those in the UK who want a "no-deal" Brexit obviously do so for ideological reasons and ideological reasons alone. They are, across the board, English nationalists and just sick of the EU.

 

There is nothing to be gained by the UK from a no deal scenario but a lot to be lost.

 

I would agree that Covid19 and Brexit will cause economic hardship for the UK that is not yet fully appreciated.

 

The fact that the Pound has not gotten anywhere close to its true value of 1.30 for a long time now would indicate the money markets are not hugely confident in the prospects of the UK economy.

 

 

 

No deal is perfectly acceptable to me......

 

 

..... ONLY if a deal cannot be struck by the negotiating parties. 

[david555]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

No deal is perfectly acceptable to me......

 

 

..... ONLY if a deal cannot be struck by the negotiating parties. 

Acceptable or not .....it is the inevitable outcome anyway then 

....

So that "acceptable "is just " sugar coating " a sour thing

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, david555 said:

Acceptable or not .....it is the inevitable outcome anyway then 

....

So that "acceptable "is just " sugar coating " a sour thing

Barnier only wants a deal if we still dance to his tune, the UK have made it quite clear of how we're leaving. Boris gatecrashed the meeting yesterday and told Barnier he wants it sorted by summer, up to him now.

Meanwhile Jean Claude Juncker has been named as special advisor to the EU advisor Johanne Hahn. The ???????? gravy train goes choo choo choo. ????????????

[david555]

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

Barnier only wants a deal if we still dance to his tune, the UK have made it quite clear of how we're leaving. Boris gatecrashed the meeting yesterday and told Barnier he wants it sorted by summer, up to him now.

Meanwhile Jean Claude Juncker has been named as special advisor to the EU advisor Johanne Hahn. The ???????? gravy train goes choo choo choo. ????????????

"Boris gatecrashed the meeting yesterday and told Barnier he wants it sorted by summer, up to him now. "

 

another big Boris line …..  why he is waiting already to do so long time ? no extending …. but U.K. 6 month's no borer tariffs applying  ….as hoping  E.U. would do same ???? …. so "a Boris saving face" thing … he did not asked/accepted  an extension , but would have  same result , and had not to pay for it (?)

 

E.U did not " bought it" ????

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/food-prices-groceries-rise-clothing-tariffs-brexit-a9613201.html

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by david555