UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

It's not generally written in law or openly stated. It's the EU after all. Nothing is transparent. Lots of smoke and mirrors. Lots of statements of intent followed by denials and then 'clarifications'. Flip flopping on the EU army is one example.

 

Look at the direction of travel the last 30 years and listen to the likes of Verhofstadt. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out where it is heading. History is a better indication of the future than politiciand empty promises or statements.

 

Anyway it's not the UK problem any more, we're long gone. Do whatever you like. If you want to sleepwalk into a federal superstate that's your problem. Fill yer boots. No need to try to convince us any more.

Where is your evidence for an EU army?

There is none.

Just more conspiracy theory nonsense.

[Rookiescot]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Those vetos are disappearing rapidly. The EU commissioners are targeting the Irish, Belgian, Luxembourg and Dutch harboured multinationals taxes now. They will invoke Article 116 of their treaty, which will only need a qualified majority.

So where will those multinats move their registered addresses for tax purposes? To Singapore on Thames of course, which we will be able to do, without their restrictions or accursed 'level playing field'. That's what the EU is so scared of and what they doublespeak about taxation - nothing to do with the leftist fallacy about rich people's offshore investments.

Delusional.

There will be no Singapore on Thames because Singapore on Thames will have no access to the EU.

No multinational company is going to move its headquarters to a place with a tiny domestic market.

If they want to do that they can already move to ...... guess where?........Singapore. Just like that ardent Brexiteer Dyson did.

[evadgib]

13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Where is your evidence for an EU army?

There is none.

Just more conspiracy theory nonsense.

The evidence was presented on these threads in real time. Even a TA wallah would have remembered that.

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The evidence was presented on these threads in real time. Even a TA wallah would have remembered that.

No evidence then just conspiracy theories again. 

[HauptmannUK]

'Singapore on Thames'..  If only!  LOL! Last time I was over that way it was more like 'Karachi-on-Thames'...

Multinationals that want to operate in the EU will locate their EU HQ and operations in a member country. Hence many corporations relocating offices out of UK into Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris etc.

To remain competitive after Brexit the UK will allow GBP to fall in a 'competitive devaluation' - its just about the only lever the government have left.

[evadgib]

41 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

No evidence then just conspiracy theories again. 

Thankfully HM Forces are looking elsewhere these days:

Quote

The agreement is a sign of intent to formalise a number of ongoing initiatives between the two Armies, boosting opportunities to co-operate effectively as modern warfare continues to evolve.

Key cutting-edge capabilities have been identified for closer collaboration to help narrow the gaps between UK and US forces so we can operate seamlessly together in future battlespaces.

This will involve developing innovative solutions together to tackle shared threats and operational challenges that affect both nations and help protect and defend peace and security across the globe....

Defence Minister and Head of the US Army sign Modernisation Agreement

[candide]

28 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Thankfully HM Forces are looking elsewhere these days:

Defence Minister and Head of the US Army sign Modernisation Agreement

There's no doubt it will be a 'balanced collaboration! ????

[Rookiescot]

51 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Thankfully HM Forces are looking elsewhere these days:

Defence Minister and Head of the US Army sign Modernisation Agreement

We always did that. With all the NATO forces.

I would have thought you would have known that.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Nonsense. Every country (and a few regions) all retain their veto.

Why are you saying they do not?

Please point out where in the Lisbon Treaty that veto was removed.

Start reading. Take your time.

[Nigel Garvie]

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Congrats to the Brits.  They will reject, rip out and replace all Huawei 5G spy router networks in due time.  Payback for HongKong and Wuhan virus.

Nothing to do with the topic whatsoever. Why not start a new thread, or wait for it to come up, which given the recent news I expect it will.

[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, transam said:

Yet..............

The UK is now out of all that future infighting....

 

well, soon at least, UK is still being affected (in the legal sense) by EU decision making,

but it will end soon, in all likelihood

 

having all that crp behind you, time to look ahead, trade, trade deals, making UK attractive for FDI, foreign relations . . .

 

wasting energy on fake news re EU is just that, waste

and shows off the not so pallatable properties of UK and the British

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Ya think? Maybe that's why they don't like to talk about it? If you read the Lisbon Treaty then you might see what I mean.

 

By the way, Project Fear belonged to the remainers, the large remain element of the UK Parliament of the day and, of course, the EU itself.

some like to talk about it, eg nutcases like Verhofstadt, some don't and some are against

 

anyway,

am fairly familiar with Lisbon, (and Maastricht),

what I see in the marketing sections with the big words (ie the preamble/lead in)

is a clear recognition of MS role and MS competency

 

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

some like to talk about it, eg nutcases like Verhofstadt, some don't and some are against

 

anyway,

am fairly familiar with Lisbon, (and Maastricht),

what I see in the marketing sections with the big words (ie the preamble/lead in)

is a clear recognition of MS role and MS competency

 

 

Marks and Spencers do seem fairly competent,

[melvinmelvin]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's not generally written in law or openly stated. It's the EU after all. Nothing is transparent. Lots of smoke and mirrors. Lots of statements of intent followed by denials and then 'clarifications'. Flip flopping on the EU army is one example.

 

Look at the direction of travel the last 30 years and listen to the likes of Verhofstadt. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out where it is heading. History is a better indication of the future than politiciand empty promises or statements.

 

Anyway it's not the UK problem any more, we're long gone. Do whatever you like. If you want to sleepwalk into a federal superstate that's your problem. Fill yer boots. No need to try to convince us any more.

 

tend to agree on your pot (piece of text) on history

 

as for Verhofstadt,

I put him in the same box as Farage, they both have some entertainment value, apart from that ..........

 

not sure who you refer to when you say YOU,

I have never ever argued that UK would be better off inside than outside or argued

or argued that federalism is good for sleep or health

 

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Those spivs in the city have forgotten more about money markets than you and I ever knew.

They hate Brexit because they project massive damage to the UK economy because of it.

Hence the devaluation of the pound.

And yes living in Thailand on my UK company pension this stupidity has cost me a fortune.

For what?

its cost you a fortune,for what?do you think south east asia is going to be a safe stable environment?just be thankfull to the brexiteers you may have a country to return to,if i was living in thailand i would be devoting all my time to plotting an escape route,just look at how china is performing,once they colonise thailand economically the farang will no longer be welcome.

[candide]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's not generally written in law or openly stated. It's the EU after all. Nothing is transparent. Lots of smoke and mirrors. Lots of statements of intent followed by denials and then 'clarifications'. Flip flopping on the EU army is one example.

 

Look at the direction of travel the last 30 years and listen to the likes of Verhofstadt. You don't need to be Columbo to work it out where it is heading. History is a better indication of the future than politiciand empty promises or statements.

 

Anyway it's not the UK problem any more, we're long gone. Do whatever you like. If you want to sleepwalk into a federal superstate that's your problem. Fill yer boots. No need to try to convince us any more.

The direction of travel has been decided by member States, you know, when they unanimously signed a treaty.

[AndrewMciver]

3 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

'Singapore on Thames'..  If only!  LOL! Last time I was over that way it was more like 'Karachi-on-Thames'...

Multinationals that want to operate in the EU will locate their EU HQ and operations in a member country. Hence many corporations relocating offices out of UK into Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris etc.

To remain competitive after Brexit the UK will allow GBP to fall in a 'competitive devaluation' - its just about the only lever the government have left.

Quite the bleak picture.

 

So what are some of the positives we can take from Brexit ? 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, kingdong said:

its cost you a fortune,for what?do you think south east asia is going to be a safe stable environment?just be thankfull to the brexiteers you may have a country to return to,if i was living in thailand i would be devoting all my time to plotting an escape route,just look at how china is performing,once they colonise thailand economically the farang will no longer be welcome.

Thank the Brexiteers that I may have a country to return to?

Which enemy did you fight off on the beaches of good old blighty? ????

 

Dont worry about us guys in Thailand. Just you enjoy your Brexit utopia. 

 

[paddypower]

On 7/13/2020 at 9:26 PM, kingdong said:

you voted for brexit.

Room 12 for an argument.

[paddypower]

On 7/13/2020 at 11:37 PM, kingdong said:

add tony blair and you,d have the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Tony - a teriffic actor.

[paddypower]

21 hours ago, evadgib said:

Gove in the House yesterday:

Michael Gove statement on EU Exit preparations: 13 July 2020

Gove must have been joking or have taken some Bolivian marching powder when he said 'With control of our economy, we can continue to put in place the right measures for Covid recovery'....                         (i) you did have control of your economy.                                                                                           (ii) the two matters are not truly related. During the first half of 2020, the Tories screwed up the Covid response so badly.

[paddypower]

On 7/14/2020 at 12:41 AM, david555 said:

By living official in Thailand i mean that i removed my home country adress...and inscribed my Thai adress at my country embassy in Bkk. So considered by my home country as emigrated to Thailand...no need to hide anything concerning my whereabouts living , as for all are social security rights we stay intitled wherever we live on the world.

For our country it does not matter we move out , we keep entitled on health care but only when we are back in home country , even if by example for a short holliday visit ,like i take then advatage to make a medicall checkup. But my home country medical government healt service does not count in Thailand,for that i have private insurrance .

Our system is so regulated ,same no freezing pension we get same as in home country , when pension as a single ...in case i example should married i would receive 25% more as married person ...

 

But that would not bring profit as wife would cost even more ????????????????

We have a very good social security ,the Scandinavians have even more better 

O.K. Hope you understand now ,different country.'s different rules

I Like my nanny state country for that..????

 

 

 

a confused emoticon doesn't cover my reaction to this. first you rappaported in (up the White Cliffs of Dover, was it?) then i realized the Kings English is not your first language. Next time you pop back in, to the UK, after 31/12/2020. Patel will catch you, and put you in to an attitude adjustment centre.

[transam]

11 hours ago, pagan1 said:

The current bunch of headless chickens leading the UK make Teresa May look like a statesman (statesperson). Even after 4 years the Leave crew (Johnson, Gove, Patel, Raab et al) have no idea of what they are doing. The recent statements by Gove and letter by Liz Truss just highlight what a bunch of donkeys are leading the country. 

Having confirmed that there will be no extension to the transition period at the begining of July this weekend Gove wanted to the country to celebrate the fact we will have border checks in place 6 months after the transition period ends !! Meanwhile the French have extended the Calais Facility, introduced systems and even tested them. How is UK business to cope with this farce ?

I still fail to understand

-how the Leave crew have moved from Lets take control of our borders, to we do not need borders, to only the EU will establish border controls, to we might need some controls, to we are building checkpoints which will be ready middle of next year (if we have an IT system that works)

-What happened to the Oven Read Deal ?

-What an Australian Deal is when Australia does not have a deal (only some agreements)

-Where are all the countries that were lining up to make free trade agreements with us ??? 

 

These are just a few of the questions I have. Given the UK Governments have no idea of what they are doing it would be interesting to hear the thoughts from someone who voted for Brexit

 

 

You are new to the thread then....?

I suggest you start at page one and all will be revealed...????

[transam]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Australia trades with the EU on WTO terms.

Johnson thinks that we are all morons.

He likes to say "Australian type deal" because it sounds better than "No deal" which is what we are going to get.

Brexiteers demand total separation from the EU but also want special access to the EU market without having to comply with the EU's rules.

The EU is having none of that.

Brexiteers blame everyone and everything else for this failure. 

There I have summed up the 97 pages for you.

What failure, we haven't finished yet. Now stop champing at the bit, you may damage your gums chap....????

[transam]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Delusional.

There will be no Singapore on Thames because Singapore on Thames will have no access to the EU.

No multinational company is going to move its headquarters to a place with a tiny domestic market.

If they want to do that they can already move to ...... guess where?........Singapore. Just like that ardent Brexiteer Dyson did.

Nobody mentioned Scotland....????

[Laughing Gravy]

6 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

So what are some of the positives we can take from Brexit ?

It shows that a democratic referendum was acted upon although so many entities have tried to stop that process and are still trying.

 

As for other positives these are numerous but most remainers don't want to see any positives and are happy to be the EU's lapdog.

[Laughing Gravy]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

You are new to the thread then....?

I suggest you start at page one and all will be revealed...????

Or just stop pretending as to which poster they use to be and come clean.????

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

It shows that a democratic referendum was acted upon although so many entities have tried to stop that process and are still trying.

 

As for other positives these are numerous but most remainers don't want to see any positives and are happy to be the EU's lapdog.

Perhaps you can list some of those positives?

[Rookiescot]

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

Start reading. Take your time.

So you cant point out anywhere in the Lisbon treaty which removes a countries ability to veto.

[paddypower]

15 hours ago, transam said:

Yet..............

The UK is now out of all that future infighting....

It is so weird - the uk had (and did execise) the voting power to instigate changes, within the EU. That is democracy (you know - the one you are always babbling on about the 52/48 Brexit vote being 'democratic'.) Now that you are leaving, all you can do is criticize their democratic structure. As has been pointed out, ad nauseum, any one member country has the right to veto. But that wasn't good enough for you, you had to go <deleted> it up. JHC, you'd think you were a bunch of children.