UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[7by7]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes, the EU finally woke up in the late 80's and hijacked our Health and Safety regulations. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK would have not made similar further H&S improvements? The same goes for all the others on your list except your free roaming (brought in right before the referendum - pathetic). EU roaming and healthcare only apply anyway if we are in. I would certainly scrap the right to return goods for no good reason (pun intended) anyway. Ticket refunds were already available if the fault of the carrier. And finally:

 

• Etc., etc..  Methinks I'd scrap that too!

 

So you have finally admitted that you were wrong and Health and Safety at work is an EU law; albeit reluctantly.

 

Maybe the UK government would have made further improvements over tome, but, as you say, they didn't until the EU brought in EU wide regulations.

 

Yes, of course EU roaming and the EHIC only apply to British citizens if we are in the EU! So after Brexit we'll lose those. 

 

So you consider the right to return goods as one of the 'nasty bits' of EU law that you would do away with; what else is on your list?

[kingdong]

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Are you really suggesting pulling unskilled people off the dole queue and forcing them to work as plumbers, bricklayers, electricians etc.?

 

 

where did i say that? i didn,t,thats why i can,tbe a***d to address your posts,still while we,re on the subject,if you ever fancy a frontal lobotomy i,m sure i,ve got a black and decker drill somewhere.

[evadgib]

37 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say 'stonking minority;' but yet another Brexiteer shows their maths skills are sadly lacking.

 

A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

With an 80+ seat majority you can tap on your calculator all day and (still) have no effect whatsoever on the outcome.

[Rookiescot]

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Oh Lordy. I bet you've been working on that all afternoon. 

 

8 minutes ago, kingdong said:

don,t give up the day job just yet.

Finally we find the Brexiteers kryptonite.

"Stop joking about beer shortages !!!!!!!!!".

[7by7]

23 minutes ago, nauseus said:

36 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

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A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

What are you talking about now?

The 53% of voters last December who said they wanted a say on the final deal; that's what I'm talking about.

 

24 minutes ago, kingdong said:

a majority of 80 odd seats in the election,the peoples vote won the day.

Yes, a majority of 80. 

 

However, the vagaries of our first past the post system meant that despite polling only 43.6% of the vote, the Tories won 56% of the seats;  hence their majority of 80.

 

The people's vote lost.

 

Even so concern over many matters among Tory backbenchers, notably Cummings influence and the handling of the pandemic and Brexit negotiations, means that majority may soon disappear.

[david555]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

With an 80+ seat majority you can tap on your calculator all day and (still) have no effect whatsoever on the outcome.

And with that same 80+ seat you can stamp your feet as much you do ….. it has no effect on the E.U. negotiations side , only on Westminster 

Edited July 20, 2020 by david555

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

If the absurd Farage were to be employed in Number 10 alongside Cummings his salary would be paid by me and every other British taxpayer!

 

As will his MEP transition allowance of £152,000 and his substantial MEP pension. Both of which, like those of all British MEPs, will be used in calculating the UK's final payment to the EU!

Yes, of course you would end up paying for both Dominic and Nigel's salaries. All Remainers would have to chip in, without being able to overturn that decision either. I hope they could claim plenty of expenses too. Based on their political tendencies, I don't like paying for most of those in the civil service or local government, so you could feel some of the same pain.

 

MEP payments and pension to which he is entitled? Yes, of course you would be paying for that too! Double bubble for Remainers!! 

[7by7]

31 minutes ago, nauseus said:

49 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Indeed; we were promised by the various Leave campaigns, Cummings and Boris's in particular, that Brexit would mean keeping all the advantages of EU membership without any of the responsibilities. 

 

When Remain pointed out this was simply untrue, out came the 'Project Fear' label.

No, we weren't

 So what did Cummings' Vote.Leave and the other Leave campaigns promise you were the advantages of Brexit?

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The 53% of voters last December who said they wanted a say on the final deal; that's what I'm talking about.

 

Yes, a majority of 80. 

 

However, the vagaries of our first past the post system meant that despite polling only 43.6% of the vote, the Tories won 56% of the seats;  hence their majority of 80.

 

The people's vote lost.

 

Even so concern over many matters among Tory backbenchers, notably Cummings influence and the handling of the pandemic and Brexit negotiations, means that majority may soon disappear.

Its only 79 now. Some tory MP had the whip withdrawn last week.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Its only 79 now. Some tory MP had the whip withdrawn last week.

1 down 79 to go they,re dropping like flies.

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

27 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

 

Are you really suggesting pulling unskilled people off the dole queue and forcing them to work as plumbers, bricklayers, electricians etc.?

 

 

where did i say that? i didn,t,thats why i can,tbe a***d to address your posts,still while we,re on the subject,if you ever fancy a frontal lobotomy i,m sure i,ve got a black and decker drill somewhere.

 

You said that Brits should be made to do the jobs EU migrants used to do or have their benefits stopped.

 

You didn't exclude the construction industry, so the only conclusion was that you included all jobs done by EU migrants.

 

If you didn't mean that industry, and other skilled jobs, how do you suggest filling the labour shortages such industries currently suffer from; shortages which will be worse after Brexit as many of the vacancies do not fulfil the PBS visa requirements!

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

1 down 79 to go they,re dropping like flies.

Can you enlighten us as to why the whip was removed?

Oh no wait. You dont answer questions do you?

You dont post links to back up your baseless assertions and like all the other Brexiteers you cant handle facts.

[evadgib]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Showing your ignorance again.

 

In the British Army if no commissioned officer is on parade then the highest ranked WO present is in charge. If no WO is present, then the highest ranked NCO is in charge.

 

So what was your point?

Forget 'parade' and instead remind yourself of the relationship between Maggie and the Chingford skinhead & then ffwd to Boris & Cummings (ie to the very point you're desperately trying to scupper).

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, evadgib said:

With an 80+ seat majority you can tap on your calculator all day and (still) have no effect whatsoever on the outcome.

No, but the increasing number of rebel Tory MPs may very well do so.

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

1 down 79 to go they,re dropping like flies.

With many more threatening to rebel against Johnson, watch this space.

[7by7]

11 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, of course you would end up paying for both Dominic and Nigel's salaries. All Remainers would have to chip in, without being able to overturn that decision either. I hope they could claim plenty of expenses too. Based on their political tendencies, I don't like paying for most of those in the civil service or local government, so you could feel some of the same pain.

 

MEP payments and pension to which he is entitled? Yes, of course you would be paying for that too! Double bubble for Remainers!! 

It's not just Remainers who have to pay; it's all British taxpayers!

 

The only conclusion one can draw from your remarks is that you are not one!

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

I do know what the various Thai visa requirements are and how much income and/or savings is needed to meet them. 

 

I do know that if relying on income from the UK then that income is affected by the Sterling/Baht exchange rate; a rate which will plummet if there is no deal.

 

It wasn't Remainers who fell for the £350million lie; it was Brexiteers!

 

The rest of your post is merely more of the same tired excuses you always produce for not presenting any facts to support your view, together with you yet again saying that 53% is smaller than 47%!

Still trying to push the old exchange rate and pensions chestnut? Only the Remainers keep biting at that one. You won't catch me giving even a nibble.

Already told you plenty of times - Brexiteers didn't vote on what was written on the side of a bus. Where was the bus in December last year? Nowhere to be seen and they still voted for Brexit in their droves. Obviously still needles the Remainers though. Do you need another picture?

Our winning percentage was the democratic election result for Getting Brexit Done. Remainer anti-democrats lost out again. Are you trying to overturn the GE result now? Good luck with that one too.

[evadgib]

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The 53% of voters last December who said they wanted a say on the final deal; that's what I'm talking about.

 

Yes, a majority of 80. 

 

However, the vagaries of our first past the post system meant that despite polling only 43.6% of the vote, the Tories won 56% of the seats;  hence their majority of 80.

 

The people's vote lost.

 

Even so concern over many matters among Tory backbenchers, notably Cummings influence and the handling of the pandemic and Brexit negotiations, means that majority may soon disappear.

- The peoples vote won

- Not until 2024 under the FTP act which to my knowledge has yet to be repealed.

HTH

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

It's not just Remainers who have to pay; it's all British taxpayers!

 

The only conclusion one can draw from your remarks is that you are not one!

Sorry no clues for you.

I'm happy to pay for Dominic and think he should be up for a huge bonus for his work this year. Nigel would even get a signing bonus before the transfer window closes.

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Forget 'parade' and instead remind yourself of the relationship between Maggie and the Chingford skinhead & then ffwd to Boris & Cummings (ie to the very point you're desperately trying to scupper).

 

If all that waffle means you are trying to compare Cummings to Tebbit you have missed out one important point; unlike Cummings, Tebbit was an elected MP.

 

You have also forgotten, if you ever knew, that it was another MP, Whitelaw, who was Thatcher's most trusted advisor. She supposedly did say, after all, that very Prime Minister should have a Willie!

 

But you still haven't said what point it is I am trying to scupper.

 

My point is that Cummings has an undue influence over the Prime Minister; a belief shared by a growing number of Tory backbenchers!

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Still trying to push the old exchange rate and pensions chestnut? Only the Remainers keep biting at that one. You won't catch me giving even a nibble.

Already told you plenty of times - Brexiteers didn't vote on what was written on the side of a bus. Where was the bus in December last year? Nowhere to be seen and they still voted for Brexit in their droves. Obviously still needles the Remainers though. Do you need another picture?

Our winning percentage was the democratic election result for Getting Brexit Done. Remainer anti-democrats lost out again. Are you trying to overturn the GE result now? Good luck with that one too.

 

Yet again you show your appalling maths skills. 47 is not larger than 53!

 

As I have already pointed out; even Johnson has now admitted the £350 million a week was a lie.

 

Not trying to overturn the GE result, just wanting the government to give us what 53% of voters want; a say on the final deal. It's called democracy; I thought you were in favour of that!

 

Given the unrest among Tory backbenchers, it is possible that we will get that say.

 

Who knows, the majority may even agree with you and accept Cummings' deal! 

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

If all that waffle means you are trying to compare Cummings to Tebbit you have missed out one important point; unlike Cummings, Tebbit was an elected MP.

 

You have also forgotten, if you ever knew, that it was another MP, Whitelaw, who was Thatcher's most trusted advisor. She supposedly did say, after all, that very Prime Minister should have a Willie!

 

But you still haven't said what point it is I am trying to scupper.

 

My point is that Cummings has an undue influence over the Prime Minister; a belief shared by a growing number of Tory backbenchers!

Well done 49, There's a hint of banter in that one (although I had to look quite hard for it!) ????

[7by7]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

- The peoples vote won

53 is greater than 47. Our first past the post system meant the people's vote lost.

 

15 minutes ago, evadgib said:

- Not until 2024 under the FTP act which to my knowledge has yet to be repealed.

HTH

So how come we had an election last December; just over two years after the last one?

 

I know the answer, do you?

 

But even without an election, Johnson's days are numbered. The Tories got rid of Thatcher when she became a liability, they'll do the same to Johnson. I give him until the end of the year at the latest.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

I wouldn't necessarily say 'stonking minority;' but yet another Brexiteer shows their maths skills are sadly lacking.

 

A reminder that 53% is larger than 47%.

Yes, and we still have a Brexit government!!! Let's hear it for our longstanding system which was kept after another democratic referendum result.

 

Probably stings a bit for the Remainers, but it wouldn't hurt so much with the previous GE result. If Theresa May's closet Remainer government had done the job properly, without resorting to dirty tricks subterfuge and deceit, she could have come away with a real deal instead of capitulating to the EU and then being forced out. And then we welcomed Boris to rub salt in the Remainers' wounds. It only gets better.

[7by7]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Sorry no clues for you.

I'm happy to pay for Dominic and think he should be up for a huge bonus for his work this year. Nigel would even get a signing bonus before the transfer window closes.

Your response means no clues needed; the answer is obvious.

[7by7]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Well done 49, There's a hint of banter in that one (although I had to look quite hard for it!) ????

No answer to the question from you; again!

 

Which means the only conclusion is that your have no point.

[Loiner]

8 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Yet again you show your appalling maths skills. 47 is not larger than 53!

 

As I have already pointed out; even Johnson has now admitted the £350 million a week was a lie.

 

Not trying to overturn the GE result, just wanting the government to give us what 53% of voters want; a say on the final deal. It's called democracy; I thought you were in favour of that!

 

Given the unrest among Tory backbenchers, it is possible that we will get that say.

 

Who knows, the majority may even agree with you and accept Cummings' deal! 

Guess our democratic system beats your maths.

 

We are getting our democratic Brexit. You are not getting another chance at Remainer tricks.

[7by7]

4 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, and we still have a Brexit government!!! Let's hear it for our longstanding system which was kept after another democratic referendum result.

Yes, we do. But to say that government represents the majority of the British people is incorrect.

 

Wouldn't be the first in that position, though. But the first single issue one.

 

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Probably stings a bit for the Remainers, but it wouldn't hurt so much with the previous GE result. If Theresa May's closet Remainer government had done the job properly, without resorting to dirty tricks subterfuge and deceit, she could have come away with a real deal instead of capitulating to the EU and then being forced out. And then we welcomed Boris to rub salt in the Remainers' wounds. It only gets better.

Ah, the usual 'It's all that traitor May's fault' rubbish.

 

Were you to have been paying attention you would know that having betrayed May and achieved his ambition with the help of Rees-Mogg (whatever happened to him?) and the ERG, Johnson's desired deal is essentially May MkII. Unfortunately, the EU have basically said that they offered us that, but we turned it down. 

 

He's failed; his party know he's failed, his days are numbered.

 

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Guess our democratic system beats your maths.

 

We are getting our democratic Brexit. You are not getting another chance at Remainer tricks.

See above.

[tebee]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Once again yes it is.

 

We appoint politicians on a mandate, and the mandate was to leave the EU, every party agreed to that mandate, unfortunately some parties changed their minds, luckely for us the Tories were honest enough to carry out the wish of the British people, those that didn't paid a very hefty price. It would seem that a divided parliament didn't understand the ramifications with all the skullduggery that was going on at the time, never mind the electorate. But once the dead wood was cleared from parliament things have gone much more smoothly.

And it's no good crying over spilt milk, you and the rest of the remainers had a choice to take Mays capitulation Brino, but that was not good enough for you, you wanted a complete revoke of art50 and you have only the Labour party, the SNP and the Lib/Dems to blame for the outcome, being selfish and greedy didn't work and now we'll have a perfect Brexit, you snooze, you lose.

Boris and Cummings have played a blinder.

 

 

But our politicians are representatives not delegates i.e. they are empowered to take what decisions they see fit   and intreruperet that mandate anyway they see fit.

They also have a duty to do what is best for their constituents.  

 

 Boris and Cummings may have played a blinder, but they're the dog that caught the car.

[evadgib]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No answer to the question from you; again!

 

Which means the only conclusion is that your have no point.

There wasn't one!