UK ready to quit EU on 'Australia terms' if no Brexit deal, Johnson says

[evadgib]

33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

No answer to the question from you; again!

 

Which means the only conclusion is that your have no point.

There wasn't one!

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

You said that Brits should be made to do the jobs EU migrants used to do or have their benefits stopped.

 

You didn't exclude the construction industry, so the only conclusion was that you included all jobs done by EU migrants.

 

If you didn't mean that industry, and other skilled jobs, how do you suggest filling the labour shortages such industries currently suffer from; shortages which will be worse after Brexit as many of the vacancies do not fulfil the PBS visa requirements!

didn,t know picking turnips was a skilled job,why don,t you give it a rest,you,re getting boring and it isn,t going to change the fact....we,re leaving.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

So you have finally admitted that you were wrong and Health and Safety at work is an EU law; albeit reluctantly.

 

Maybe the UK government would have made further improvements over tome, but, as you say, they didn't until the EU brought in EU wide regulations.

 

Yes, of course EU roaming and the EHIC only apply to British citizens if we are in the EU! So after Brexit we'll lose those. 

 

So you consider the right to return goods as one of the 'nasty bits' of EU law that you would do away with; what else is on your list?

What I've said is that the EU steal the hard work of others and adopt it as their own. 

 

The right to return goods is fine if they are faulty at purchase - that's it. 

 

You are just a  hapless, hopeless troll.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 So what did Cummings' Vote.Leave and the other Leave campaigns promise you were the advantages of Brexit?

 

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Vote.Leave and the other Leave campaigns prom

No idea. I didn't care what they said.  I didn't care for the remainers and EU project fear cobblers either. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

The 53% of voters last December who said they wanted a say on the final deal; that's what I'm talking about.

 

Yes, a majority of 80. 

 

However, the vagaries of our first past the post system meant that despite polling only 43.6% of the vote, the Tories won 56% of the seats;  hence their majority of 80.

 

The people's vote lost.

 

Even so concern over many matters among Tory backbenchers, notably Cummings influence and the handling of the pandemic and Brexit negotiations, means that majority may soon disappear.

Nobody voted for a say on the final deal.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

But our politicians are representatives not delegates i.e. they are empowered to take what decisions they see fit   and intreruperet that mandate anyway they see fit.

They also have a duty to do what is best for their constituents.  

 

 Boris and Cummings may have played a blinder, but they're the dog that caught the car.

whos intreruperet ?

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

whos intreruperet ?

A French teaser.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Can you enlighten us as to why the whip was removed?

Oh no wait. You dont answer questions do you?

You dont post links to back up your baseless assertions and like all the other Brexiteers you cant handle facts.

what are you on about?if you must go out in the midday sun try wearing a hat.

[IvorBiggun2]

8 hours ago, 7by7 said:

My point is that Cummings has an undue influence over the Prime Minister

And all other political leaders around the world aren't guided in the same manner???? Get over it.

[vogie]

8 hours ago, tebee said:

But our politicians are representatives not delegates i.e. they are empowered to take what decisions they see fit   and intreruperet that mandate anyway they see fit.

They also have a duty to do what is best for their constituents.  

 

 Boris and Cummings may have played a blinder, but they're the dog that caught the car.

The reigning politicians have done what is best for their constituents, those that didn't got voted out, Tories winning in the northern heartlands of Labour is totally unprecidented, our citizens were not fobbed off, their voices were heard and that my friend is democracy. Just because you don't like the result, that doesn't make it undemocratic. 

But but but Cummings, lets not forget without Cumming that Boris may not have achieved the democratic result that the country desperately needed. 

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

The reigning politicians have done what is best for their constituents, those that didn't got voted out, Tories winning in the northern heartlands of Labour is totally unprecidented, our citizens were not fobbed off, their voices were heard and that my friend is democracy. Just because you don't like the result, that doesn't make it undemocratic. 

But but but Cummings, lets not forget without Cumming that Boris may not have achieved the democratic result that the country desperately needed. 

Then what is the problem with asking the people if this version of Brexit is what they want?

Thats democracy.

Ah of course. People might not vote for it and you wont like that result.

The people have spoken. Now they must never be allowed to speak about it again.

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Then what is the problem with asking the people if this version of Brexit is what they want?

Thats democracy.

Ah of course. People might not vote for it and you wont like that result.

The people have spoken. Now they must never be allowed to speak about it again.

You had a choice of what Brexit you wanted, it was called 'Mays Deal' it was a remainers deal, it was not good enough for the remainers, they wanted it all, now they deserve nothing.

You should be ashamed of dragging the will of 17.4 million through the mud, the remainers have done nothing but insulted and besmirched our country for the last four years, they should apologise, but of course they never will, they are too self righteous and Brexit is all about them and not our country.

 

 

 

[transam]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 You, @Loiner and others have repeatedly refused to answer this simple question.

 

It is you who are struggling.

????......You most definitely are struggling, you have for over 4 years been blustering your stuff here and got absolutely nowhere. You lost, the voting populace won......????

 

For me the one benefit I wanted was to get the UK out of the clutches of the Eurocrats, I got my wish.

As for any other benefits that may or may not happen, well that is for the future to see, not you, not me, to speculate on.

A new beginning for the UK without being told what to do by folk with different attitudes....

 

You remind me of Corbyns brother Piers, and that's a compliment....????

[Rookiescot]

50 minutes ago, vogie said:

You had a choice of what Brexit you wanted, it was called 'Mays Deal' it was a remainers deal, it was not good enough for the remainers, they wanted it all, now they deserve nothing.

You should be ashamed of dragging the will of 17.4 million through the mud, the remainers have done nothing but insulted and besmirched our country for the last four years, they should apologise, but of course they never will, they are too self righteous and Brexit is all about them and not our country.

 

 

 

The people were never asked if they wanted Mays deal.

And stop deluding yourself that Brexiteers are somehow patriots and remainers are not.

[transam]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Reminds me of another adage.

 

How do you recognise a Brexiteer in a bar?

You don't. He will tell you.

How do you recognise a remainer in a bar, it's the ones with tears falling into their beer.....????............????

[transam]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Reminds me of another adage.

 

How do you recognise a Brexiteer in a bar?

You don't. He will tell you.

How do you recognise a remainer in a bar, it's the ones with tears falling into their beer.....????............????

[transam]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

The 53% of voters last December who said they wanted a say on the final deal; that's what I'm talking about.

 

Yes, a majority of 80. 

 

However, the vagaries of our first past the post system meant that despite polling only 43.6% of the vote, the Tories won 56% of the seats;  hence their majority of 80.

 

The people's vote lost.

 

Even so concern over many matters among Tory backbenchers, notably Cummings influence and the handling of the pandemic and Brexit negotiations, means that majority may soon disappear.

"Yes, a majority of 80, however...........................".

More 'twisting' assumptions.

So now you use C19, I wonder what else you will dig up that will still leave you crying in your beer.......Quite funny really, 49.....????

[RuamRudy]

Good to see our brave defenders of UK sovereignty last night voting to give it away to an unelected body.

Great to be back in control.

 

Tory backbenchers defeated in attempt to put any post-Brexit trade deals through parliament

 

MPs have defeated an attempt by Tory backbenchers to ensure parliament has a vote on any post-Brexit trade deal.

An amendment to the Trade Bill currently going through the Commons would have given MPs and peers a say on any new agreement signed by the government.

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Good to see our brave defenders of UK sovereignty last night voting to give it away to an unelected body.

Great to be back in control.

 

Tory backbenchers defeated in attempt to put any post-Brexit trade deals through parliament

 

MPs have defeated an attempt by Tory backbenchers to ensure parliament has a vote on any post-Brexit trade deal.

 

 

 

 

Quite right.

 

 

Leave it to the elected government to sort out - that is why they had a landslide victory.

 

 

Also saves the type of farce when that tw4t Bercow was around.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Good to see our brave defenders of UK sovereignty last night voting to give it away to an unelected body.

Great to be back in control.

 

Tory backbenchers defeated in attempt to put any post-Brexit trade deals through parliament

 

MPs have defeated an attempt by Tory backbenchers to ensure parliament has a vote on any post-Brexit trade deal.

An amendment to the Trade Bill currently going through the Commons would have given MPs and peers a say on any new agreement signed by the government.

Its democracy.

Same as when Johnson illegally shut down parliament and lied to the Queen.

[RuamRudy]

7 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

Quite right.

 

 

Leave it to the elected government to sort out - that is why they had a landslide victory.

 

 

Also saves the type of farce when that tw4t Bercow was around.

Are you seriously suggesting that parliament has no role to play here? Should we drop all aspects of parliamentary scrutiny or just those that might hinder the obsessive ideological demands of those who back Brexit?

 

 

At least we can drop this pathetic cry of sovereignty, not that anyone could actually describe it, but any claim that the objective of Brexit was to regain control will be rightly laughed out of the water. The clowns have been manipulated since day one, and now we are seeing their true might - they just roll over and let our corrupt and corrupted government do as they please.  

Edited July 21, 2020 by RuamRudy

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its democracy.

Same as when Johnson illegally shut down parliament and lied to the Queen.

Sure, that is democracy indeed, but shows the utter sham of Brexit - taking back control? What a total con. They just handed it all to a group of shysters. 

[hotandsticky]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Sure, that is democracy indeed, but shows the utter sham of Brexit - taking back control? What a total con. They just handed it all to a group of shysters. 

 

 

 

Incorrect....... they have taken it back FROM a group of shysters.

[RuamRudy]

And it just gets better and better. 

Thank God Scotland is leaving this utter farce of a country - if I was English today, I would be beside myself with anger. 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

 

Incorrect....... they have taken it back FROM a group of shysters.

What is it about the vote that you fail to understand? Glib soundbites aside, what is it that we, the people, are now in control of?

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

And it just goes on - a night of shame brought to us by everyone who voted for Brexit.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

Our corrupt PM is visiting Scotland this week as panic sets in amid realisation that he is about to lose England's cash cow - let's hope we give a similar reception to that of last time he ventured north. 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

Our corrupt PM is visiting Scotland this week as panic sets in amid realisation that he is about to lose England's cash cow - let's hope we give a similar reception to that of last time he ventured north. 

 

 

He will visit a couple of unionist Conservative friendly small factories and inspect their fridges.

Couple of patsy questions from the usual suspects at a very short press meeting then back to Downing street as soon as humanly possible.

 

[Xaos]

Im from EU, applied for UK settled status and got it, but I dont understand what regular Joe gets from brexit? 

Harder to travel, study, work, retire, use hospitals, on top all trade deals, propabely things will become more expensive in UK etc... Whats in it for a common folk? 

 

https://www.what-europe-does-for-me.eu/en/home

[AndrewMciver]

Don't give a <deleted> about Brexit, but what i do know is the pound has tanked. 

 

I was getting 55 Baht a few months before Brexit. I'm now getting 38.

 

For that reason alone, Brexit is a pain. I talk to these xenophobic guys in Pattaya sometimes who love Brexit, yet they get strangely defensive and irritable when you talk about the currency. 

 

Brexit has hit tourists hard, and those expats living in Thailand. Yet these folk will still support it, blaming the Thai Baht, blaming Thai politicians for having the gall to keep their currency strong and not devalue it. Anything but Brexit. 

Edited July 21, 2020 by AndrewMciver