Pubs and bars in Thailand opening today - Ekkamai club shows off the New Normal

[DJ54]

Let’s take the high road and hope the re opening works for everyone.. better than locked in a box..

[mrfill]

2 hours ago, 5633572526 said:

How do you cause a runaway infection rate in a country that claims it has no infections??

Latest showing on worldometers says Thailand still has 56 active cases, 1 critical.

The claim relates to new domestic infections (only imported stuff).

[Jim walker]

Happy and safe drinking 

[RANGER55]

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

 

No.

 

And neither are they.

 

They're Totalitarian Capitalists.

 

 

So, maybe you can decode what CCP stands for!

 

Hello, this is Houston, come in space shuttle.

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, SuwadeeS said:

Very strange how ignorant people are.

 

I do not see anybody here who calls out, who is responsible for all this

"NEW NORMAL"

 

China and the CCP cover up the story for 3 month!!!!!

And now we have all to live with the consequences.

 

Why nobody blames the CCP???? Are you all communists?

Well apart from the Chinese themselves , and their pet nations of course , pretty much everybody knows who was at fault.

But what good would Trump style ranting do , should we start World war 3 do you think ?

The will in time be a reckoning but most of us are preoccupied with rather more pressing problems at the current time.

[Kerryd]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It's nice to know there are people on TV that are more authoritative than the Lancet.

And of course you are going to link the Lancet article that claims face shields (by themselves) are effective at preventing someone from inhaling infected droplets ?

Like this one ? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
(Originally published on 1 June and then again on 29 June).

"Face coverings and masks might protect both healthcare workers and the general public against infection with COVID-19, and protective eye covering may also provide additional benefit--although the certainty of the evidence is low for both forms of protection."

(They define protective eye coverings as goggles and face shields "and others". Face coverings and masks are defined as respirators, surgical masks, N95 face masks "and others".)

Note the words "might" "and" and "may". In other words, if you wear face coverings/masks AND protective eye covering, you MAY gain additional protection.

"Physical distancing of 1 m or more was associated with a much lower risk of infection, as was use of face masks (including N95 respirators or similar and surgical or similar masks [eg, 12–16-layer cotton or gauze masks]) and eye protection (eg, goggles or face shields). "

There's that word "and" again ! It's almost like they are suggesting that a face shield by itself it useless, unless used in conjunction with a mask and "social distancing", which, combined, may lower the risk of being infected.

And they note that "1 meter" lowers the risk, but 2 meters is better.


So, in other words, what I posted earlier about face shields being useless stands.

[Lacessit]

13 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

And of course you are going to link the Lancet article that claims face shields (by themselves) are effective at preventing someone from inhaling infected droplets ?

Like this one ? https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
(Originally published on 1 June and then again on 29 June).

"Face coverings and masks might protect both healthcare workers and the general public against infection with COVID-19, and protective eye covering may also provide additional benefit--although the certainty of the evidence is low for both forms of protection."

(They define protective eye coverings as goggles and face shields "and others". Face coverings and masks are defined as respirators, surgical masks, N95 face masks "and others".)

Note the words "might" "and" and "may". In other words, if you wear face coverings/masks AND protective eye covering, you MAY gain additional protection.

"Physical distancing of 1 m or more was associated with a much lower risk of infection, as was use of face masks (including N95 respirators or similar and surgical or similar masks [eg, 12–16-layer cotton or gauze masks]) and eye protection (eg, goggles or face shields). "

There's that word "and" again ! It's almost like they are suggesting that a face shield by itself it useless, unless used in conjunction with a mask and "social distancing", which, combined, may lower the risk of being infected.

And they note that "1 meter" lowers the risk, but 2 meters is better.


So, in other words, what I posted earlier about face shields being useless stands.

Refer post #34.

Science is not absolutes, although anti-science advocates like to cast it in that light.

Let me put it this way. You are in a theatre, awaiting surgery. Would you be happy if the surgeon and his operating theatre staff did not wear surgical masks?

Edited July 1, 2020 by Lacessit

[Kerryd]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Smell is related to molecules, not viruses. Hydrogen sulphide (H2S ) is what most people emit when they fart. And what people smell.

The diameter of the H2S molecule is 133 picometers. The diameter of the coronavirus is 125 nanometers, i.e. 1000 times larger.

Saying masks are ineffective because one can smell through them is a completely spurious argument.

 

You are confusing masks with shields. smedly (and I) were referencing the guy in the OP (and others) who think that a face shield, by itself, is an effective method of preventing being infected.
 

[Kerryd]

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Refer post #34.

Science is not absolutes, although anti-science advocates like to cast it in that light.

Let me put it this way. You are in a theatre, awaiting surgery. Would you be happy if the surgeon and his operating theatre staff did not wear surgical masks?

Post 34 is mostly a pic of one of those containment devices scientists use when handling dangerous substances.
Maybe some other posts were deleted prior to the one you were referencing ?

Post 34 - 

 

Edited July 1, 2020 by Kerryd

[mrfill]

37 minutes ago, RANGER55 said:

So, maybe you can decode what CCP stands for!

 

Hello, this is Houston, come in space shuttle.

So a bit like 7-11 then.

What are their times?

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, Kerryd said:

You are confusing masks with shields. smedly (and I) were referencing the guy in the OP (and others) who think that a face shield, by itself, is an effective method of preventing being infected.
 

My mistake, I thought you were referring to masks. Which the latest medical information suggests is effective in preventing an infected person infecting others, less so in acquiring infection from someone who is. No idea on face shields.

I don't like masks myself, PITA; however, I wear one as a courtesy to others.

 

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Post 34 is mostly a pic of one of those containment devices scientists use when handling dangerous substances.
Maybe some other posts were deleted prior to the one you were referencing ?

Post 34 - 

 

You've succeeded in confusing me. My post was on the relative size of the H2S molecule and coronavirus.

[Kerryd]

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Refer post #34.

Science is not absolutes, although anti-science advocates like to cast it in that light.

Let me put it this way. You are in a theatre, awaiting surgery. Would you be happy if the surgeon and his operating theatre staff did not wear surgical masks?

 

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

You've succeeded in confusing me. My post was on the relative size of the H2S molecule and coronavirus.

Ah you said "post #34" but actually meant post #45.
 

 

[Mac98]

4 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

With drinking causing reduced judgement and reasoning plus the effects alcohol has on a healthy persons immune systems you can see now the effects of boozing in bars in the US. Unless you have complete crowd control (in a bar? impossible) all the plastic walls in the world won't prevent transmission. People don't drink through masks so the whole concept of 'safe bars' is based on filling the cash register, not preventing disease. I understand the businesses are hurting but causing a runaway infection rate is not the way to restart the economy - as proven in those states that are now shutting in the bars. People spent a lot of money getting their bars going again only to lose it all, again. How many times do you need to be kicked in the head to begin to realize you can't wish this away..

Yes, in a country with close to 50,000 infections a day opening bars may not be too bright, but opening bars in a country with zero infections a day makes economic and social sense. We will soon know the results and a medical system with no current C-19 patients should be able to handle the few that pop up. That was the goal of social distancing and masks in the first place.

[fraggleRock]

Fun times ahead for the Thai economy -  NOT

Edited July 1, 2020 by fraggleRock

[Lacessit]

15 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

 

Ah you said "post #34" but actually meant post #45.
 

 

Noted you still haven't answered the operating theatre question.

[Kerryd]

Quote

 

Science is not absolutes, although anti-science advocates like to cast it in that light.

Let me put it this way. You are in a theatre, awaiting surgery. Would you be happy if the surgeon and his operating theatre staff did not wear surgical masks?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Noted you still haven't answered the operating theatre question.

 

I thought that was a rhetorical question, especially as it followed your line about science is not absolutes. Which is ironic after you tried to use medical science to prove that face shields were an effective method of preventing infection from infected droplets in the air.

And wherein have I ever suggested that medical staff shouldn't wear, or shouldn't have to wear, surgical masks while in an operating theatre ? 

And, again, this was about face SHIELDS, not face MASKS.

 

 

[John CS]

4 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

With drinking causing reduced judgement and reasoning plus the effects alcohol has on a healthy persons immune systems you can see now the effects of boozing in bars in the US. Unless you have complete crowd control (in a bar? impossible) all the plastic walls in the world won't prevent transmission. People don't drink through masks so the whole concept of 'safe bars' is based on filling the cash register, not preventing disease. I understand the businesses are hurting but causing a runaway infection rate is not the way to restart the economy - as proven in those states that are now shutting in the bars. People spent a lot of money getting their bars going again only to lose it all, again. How many times do you need to be kicked in the head to begin to realize you can't wish this away..

Its really instructive to realise how informed people are now about the mechanism of transmission of the virus, everybody taking up & believing the narrative - this is the main kick to the head!

Additional kicking being taken below

Kicked in the head, understanding that there is no or little threat to healthy people under 60 year old

Kicked in the head that the mortality rate is less than a flu season

Kicked in the head , that NO other virus in hostory has called for a lockdown of healthy citizens ( Big kick) 

Kicked in the head that most 90+% dying are from co-morbidities in care homes & hospital ( shame for so called Public healthcare )

Kicked in the head to accept the EM's without any scientific proof that anything socially implemented, inc nonsense social distancing & mask wearing ,actually impacts the virus transmission ( This is the Media indoctrination kick to the head with a good FEAR and Govt control ) 

Transfer of wealth & disenfranchisement of ordinary citizens kick in the head 

Yes we are being constantly kicked in the Head

Divide & conquer, diversion!

We have lived in a rich Virus environment up to now  all these measures are contrary to what we should be doing, living & sharing as previously done in an unobstructed social way, we are social beings

Social distance & masks reveals the Control issue,not safety 

????

[metisdead]

Some posts using content from unapproved YouTube sources have been removed.

 

Off topic, troll posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

[fondue zoo]

3 hours ago, rwill said:

disinfection tunnel

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, John CS said:

Its really instructive to realise how informed people are now about the mechanism of transmission of the virus, everybody taking up & believing the narrative - this is the main kick to the head!

Additional kicking being taken below

Kicked in the head, understanding that there is no or little threat to healthy people under 60 year old

Kicked in the head that the mortality rate is less than a flu season

Kicked in the head , that NO other virus in hostory has called for a lockdown of healthy citizens ( Big kick) 

Kicked in the head that most 90+% dying are from co-morbidities in care homes & hospital ( shame for so called Public healthcare )

Kicked in the head to accept the EM's without any scientific proof that anything socially implemented, inc nonsense social distancing & mask wearing ,actually impacts the virus transmission ( This is the Media indoctrination kick to the head with a good FEAR and Govt control ) 

Transfer of wealth & disenfranchisement of ordinary citizens kick in the head 

Yes we are being constantly kicked in the Head

Divide & conquer, diversion!

We have lived in a rich Virus environment up to now  all these measures are contrary to what we should be doing, living & sharing as previously done in an unobstructed social way, we are social beings

Social distance & masks reveals the Control issue,not safety 

????

Given the rubbish you are posting, I have to wonder how many times you have been kicked in the head.

[elliss]

 

     New norm in LOS , bars with no customers ..

       On line fornication , Apps a plenty , no bar fine ...

       

Edited July 1, 2020 by elliss

[GAZZPA]

7 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Refer post #34.

Science is not absolutes, although anti-science advocates like to cast it in that light.

Let me put it this way. You are in a theatre, awaiting surgery. Would you be happy if the surgeon and his operating theatre staff did not wear surgical masks?

terrible comparison, surgical masks are designed to protect the open wounds of patients from droplets (bacteria) from the surgeon and surgical staff. They staff are very close to the open wound at all times. The masks were not designed to protect against viral infections when out and about. 

[billybog]

seems to me...if you are going to allow smoking...that in itself would spread the virus more than just breathing...you are using force to exhale the smoke...which in turn will exhale the virus droplets...pretty dumb to begin with.

[thaipara]

17 hours ago, smedly said:

Face screens are well documented as useless, wear a mask or nothing

I quote an article: "A recent opinion piece in JAMA by Eli Perencevich, M.D., a professor of internal medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa Carver College of Medicine, and two of his colleagues pointed to such benefits of shields for infection prevention, and noted that “face shields appear to significantly reduce the amount of inhalation exposure to influenza virus, another droplet-spread respiratory virus. In a simulation study, face shields were shown to reduce immediate viral exposure by 96 percent when worn by a simulated health care worker within 18 inches of a cough.” "

 

For the "smell cigarette smoke if using a face shield crowd", I offer an excerpt from a Washington Post article: "to what extent the virus can be transmitted as an aerosol — although the evidence is far from conclusive and no such infections have been documented." Cigarette smoke is an aerosol.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

16 hours ago, Kerryd said:

And those chairs in the 2nd picture look awfully close together. Once people are sitting in them I seriously doubt there'll be the "proper" spacing between them (not even close).

Oh I am sure that Sherbet Club can "demonstrate sufficient influence" to ensure that there are no problems.

[Lacessit]

5 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

terrible comparison, surgical masks are designed to protect the open wounds of patients from droplets (bacteria) from the surgeon and surgical staff. They staff are very close to the open wound at all times. The masks were not designed to protect against viral infections when out and about. 

Think of your lungs as an open wound. Coronavirus is so well adapted to infiltrate lung tissue it might have been designed for it, not that I support conspiracy theory.

The latest evidence is masks are effective in preventing infected people from spreading coronavirus, less so in preventing acquisition. However, we have in our midst selfish, greedy and inconsiderate people who simply don't care what happens to others, so as a species we are making a pretty good fist of exterminating ourselves.

 

[rtco]

14 hours ago, herwin1234 said:

no new cases for 37 days so that means that the people making the decisions must have been doing something good.

since their old decisions (that were equally trashed and ridiculed by many farang) did bring such a great result, it would make sense to start trusing and supporting the new rules of these same people.

i mean, isnt it getting embarrassing to be so negative all the time and to be proven wrong all the time?

Whose being negative? There is absolutely no evidence that suggests these partitions and shields stop the spread of the virus. Think about it? The virus particles are airborne so even if someone sneezes or coughs while they are imprisoned by these so called preventative measures the particles are likely to go over, around or under the partitions/shields. And as for a great results do you really believe that the official figures being reported actually reflect reality? If you do then I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land. And as for being proven wrong give me the real evidence and I will happily admit that. A question for you ... why do you think all these measures and the extension of the state of emergency has been implemented? The virus is still with us but it's just not being reported.

[nickmondo]

I checked out loads of bars in Hua Hin last night.

I found ZERO were keeping to the new rules.

One bar was absolutely packed with Ex Pats.  You know, people from the same countries where they have problems keeping to the rules, hence loads of virus spikes.

the ex pats here were all huddled together, nobody wearing masks, no distancing, and same applied to the staff.  I did not see hardly any staff wearing masks, or anything.

its all going to go horribly wrong here in Thailand unless people stick to the rules.

Personally, I am not interested in going to a smoke filled bar, with no girls, and full of moaning ex pats getting <deleted> with nothing better to do.

but I am concerned about them <deleted> it up for everyone else, and starting a huge spike.

an interesting two weeks ahead of us.

and no......I am not a party pooper who stays in all day and night watching porn.

I enjoy Thailand, and what it has to offer, but these bars.........no thanks......

and if you are going to ignore the rules, at least bring all the girls back, and make them more fun.

[tomauasia]

Yawn yawn bored to death listening to this <deleted>. The new normal for Thailand should include a new government