U.S. coronavirus cases hit 3 million, stoking fears of overwhelmed hospitals

[johnpetersen]

4 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

I doubt very much if Hilary would have had less deaths. There'd be about the same number of deaths whoever was the leader. Besides, back in February/March the predictions of deaths and such were much higher than what actually occurred.

As epidemiologists pointed out, starting just a few weeks earlier would have saved 10's of thousands of lives. I think Clinton understands economics well enough to know that fearing a drop in stock prices should be the guiding principle in the face of an epidemic. And I really can't imagine her being so ignorant as to be reluctant to let in and quarantine some ill people from a cruise ship because it would greatly increase the number of known cases.

[simple1]

17 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

I doubt very much if Hilary would have had less deaths. There'd be about the same number of deaths whoever was the leader. Besides, back in February/March the predictions of deaths and such were much higher than what actually occurred.

Currently tracking to Fauci's estimates in late March. Though likely would be less if trump hadn't acted contrary to his administrations guidelines for self interest.

 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/29/fauci-how-many-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-estimate/

Edited July 8, 2020 by simple1

[rgraham]

So the US death rate is plus or minus 4/1,000 of 1%, why the panic?

[johnpetersen]

25 minutes ago, rgraham said:

So the US death rate is plus or minus 4/1,000 of 1%, why the panic?

Whether that number is accurate or not the fact is that as hospitals get filled up there is collateral damage in the form of other critically ill patients who can't get the are they need. They might not die from Covid-19 but they will die because of it.

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, rgraham said:

So the US death rate is plus or minus 4/1,000 of 1%, why the panic?

4/1000 of 1% of 330 million is 13,200.  You are off by a factor of ten, there are over 130,000 Covid 19 deaths in the US at this time.

 

There were "only" 16, 214 murders in the US in 2018, but try telling gun fans that they're safe and don't need to protect themselves.   https://www.statista.com/statistics/191134/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-cases-in-the-us-since-1990/

 

I wonder how many people who insist they must have a gun to protect themselves and others also insist they don't need a mask to protect themselves and others?

Edited July 8, 2020 by heybruce

[ChouDoufu]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

Currently tracking to Fauci's estimates in late March. Though likely would be less if trump hadn't acted contrary to his administrations guidelines for self interest.

 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/29/fauci-how-many-coronavirus-deaths-in-us-estimate/

wonder how will this affect the estimates?

 

• Trump tweeted that he may withhold federal funding from schools that do not resume in-person classes this fall. 
• Moments later Trump said his own CDC’s guidelines for safely reopening schools are too expensive and too impractical. 
• Vice President Mike Pence later announced that the CDC will be issuing five new documents next week that contain guidelines for schools and parents that are not as “tough” as the existing ones. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/coronavirus-trump-threatens-to-cut-school-funding-slams-cdc-reopening-guidelines.html

[Tug]

Yea now donald is saying he will defund schools if they don’t open,how are you going to get kids to social distance the dude doesent think things through consequently he looks like an idiot now trying to force parents to expose their kids to covid sometimes I think he’s a straight up imbecile come on November!!

[metisdead]

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[simple1]

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

wonder how will this affect the estimates?

 

• Trump tweeted that he may withhold federal funding from schools that do not resume in-person classes this fall. 
• Moments later Trump said his own CDC’s guidelines for safely reopening schools are too expensive and too impractical. 
• Vice President Mike Pence later announced that the CDC will be issuing five new documents next week that contain guidelines for schools and parents that are not as “tough” as the existing ones. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/08/coronavirus-trump-threatens-to-cut-school-funding-slams-cdc-reopening-guidelines.html

trump's a one trick pony - all he knows is threats, not an ounce of negotiating skills. Many of his threats cannot be legally enforced domestically - farcical

[utalkin2me]

They should call these "lockdown surges". 

 

You get all the negative effects of a lockdown, then you get the nice lockdown surge when you come out of it. 

 

The fact that Sweden and its now 4 or 5 deaths a day is not being brought up every 2 seconds on the US news astonishes. The answers are right in everyone's face.

 

It is not three months ago any longer, we actually know the answers now. Look at Sweden's death curve, and how "natural" it behaved, now almost completely tapered.

[Berkshire]

14 hours ago, IAMHERE said:

I doubt very much if Hilary would have had less deaths. There'd be about the same number of deaths whoever was the leader. Besides, back in February/March the predictions of deaths and such were much higher than what actually occurred.

Things would have been very different had the President been anybody else.  Just look at what's going on in the EU vs. the USA and it's pretty obvious.  But since you brought up Hillary, these are the states that Trump/Clinton won in 2016.  Trump states who are listening to Trump are not doing so well....

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/what-matters-this-chart-should-be-getting-trumps-attention/ar-BB16vkJg?ocid=wispr

 

[Mikeasq60]

Its time to send people out to video all these overwhelmed hospitals again that turned out to be a hoax. Dont go by the main stream media. Thailand dont be sheeple find out for yourselves whats really going on!

[KhaoNiaw]

3 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Its time to send people out to video all these overwhelmed hospitals again that turned out to be a hoax. Dont go by the main stream media. Thailand dont be sheeple find out for yourselves whats really going on!

Would you mind posting what sources you get your news from? 

[johnpetersen]

1 minute ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Its time to send people out to video all these overwhelmed hospitals again that turned out to be a hoax. Dont go by the main stream media. Thailand dont be sheeple find out for yourselves whats really going on!

Again?

And this is why Republican Governor and strong supporter of President Trump refuses to release the daily hospitalization figures? Because it would be good news?

Florida's governor promised to release the state's daily COVID-19 hospitalization rate. That still hasn't happened.

https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-still-not-releasing-daily-covid-19-hospitalization-rate-2020-7

[BigC]

Let's hope it's BLM protesters  that have it 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

Its time to send people out to video all these overwhelmed hospitals again that turned out to be a hoax. Dont go by the main stream media. Thailand dont be sheeple find out for yourselves whats really going on!

Slammed with COVID patients, Miami-Dade’s public hospital asks state for 100 nurses https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article244050532.html

[riclag]

18 hours ago, Siamjim said:

hear a lot of roaring on increased case but not a peep on declining death

[LomSak27]

13 hours ago, rgraham said:

So the US death rate is plus or minus 4/1,000 of 1%, why the panic?

Is that how you say 4.6 per cent fatality rate? Sounds like gerbil speak. Speaking of gerbils,  POTUS is famously saying 99 percent have no problems, but everyone knows he lies. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by LomSak27

[johnpetersen]

44 minutes ago, BigC said:

Let's hope it's BLM protesters  that have it 

Tulsa health official: Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge

 President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/tulsa-trump-rally-coronavirus-353708

 

So disappointing.

[Anton9]

1 hour ago, LomSak27 said:

Is that how you say 4.6 per cent fatality rate? Sounds like gerbil speak. Speaking of gerbils,  POTUS is famously saying 99 percent have no problems, but everyone knows he lies. 

Actually more than 99%, death rate is estimated to be around 0.4%

[pmarlin]

Based on the current estimated US population the infection rate is 0.0081% so why is the media acting like the world's ending. Hell the rate would be a lot lower except for the fact the US has tested over 40 million people. How many people has Thailand tested?

[Sujo]

5 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

Based on the current estimated US population the infection rate is 0.0081% so why is the media acting like the world's ending. Hell the rate would be a lot lower except for the fact the US has tested over 40 million people. How many people has Thailand tested?

The rate stays the same. Its just that with less testing you just dont know it.

[johnpetersen]

13 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

Based on the current estimated US population the infection rate is 0.0081% so why is the media acting like the world's ending. Hell the rate would be a lot lower except for the fact the US has tested over 40 million people. How many people has Thailand tested?

Do you understand that hospitals are being overwhelmed and what the means not just for covid patients but for others who need their services?

[pmarlin]

Currently right now the US has 3,029,647 infections and 131,960 deaths from the virus which is 0.0453% death rate. a 99.95% survival rate

[johnpetersen]

3 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

Currently right now the US has 3,029,647 infections and 131,960 deaths from the virus which is 0.0453% death rate. a 99.95% survival rate

And that answers the question about hospitalization how?

Also, death is a lagging indicator. Anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 weeks. And deaths are now beginning to increase. Give how much infections have spiked, the deaths will spike too.

[pmarlin]

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Do you understand that hospitals are being overwhelmed and what the means not just for covid patients but for others who need their services?

That's not always the case. Just saw the Governor of Texas  in a interview and he said that was not true as other states said it wasn't.

[pmarlin]

2 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

And that answers the question about hospitalization how?

Also, death is a lagging indicator. Anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 weeks. And deaths are now beginning to increase. Give how much infections have spiked, the deaths will spike too.

The death rates are trending down not going up but new cases are going up and most of them young people with mild infections.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

The death rates are trending down not going up but new cases are going up and most of them young people with mild infections.

They were trending down but not anymore, the downward trend has been broken and now starting to reverse

[johnpetersen]

6 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

That's not always the case. Just saw the Governor of Texas  in a interview and he said that was not true as other states said it wasn't.

Really? 

Gov. Abbott warns of ‘greater fatalities’ from COVID-19 in Texas' coming weeks

Gov. Greg Abbott is warning of even “greater fatalities” from COVID-19 as the number of people in hospitals with lab-confirmed cases hit a record 8,698 on Monday.

During a television interview in Dallas, Abbott agreed that at one point even as new coronavirus infections were rising, the state’s deaths were decreasing — which could have been seen as good news. But he said heading into the Fourth of July weekend, Texas had its deadliest four-day stretch since the pandemic started, and he warned of things to come.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Gov-Abbott-warns-of-greater-fatalities-15390029.php

[johnpetersen]

10 minutes ago, pmarlin said:

That's not always the case. Just saw the Governor of Texas  in a interview and he said that was not true as other states said it wasn't.

And then there's this:

July 5 is when death rates started to spike sharply. June 16 is when infections started to spike sharply.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html