Despite Trump’s pressure, most Americans think it is unsafe to reopen schools: Reuters poll

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Despite the latest medial interventions for the critically ill seemingly to have reduced the fatality rate it would also seem  premature  to  go on claiming the death rate  has permanently gone down when these  new massive  record levels of infection spikes are only  just now starting to get close to the stage of illness that result in people succumbing to it.

The  fact that  may hospitals are again at  maximum capacity for  icu will inevitably see a decrease in  "best intervention" which sadly can only  result in  higher  mortality.

If 3 out of 4 who object to schools opening then given the  obvious escalation of infection any  "directive" from POTUS can only  be considered deliberate and dangerous  if attempted !

So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence  to take a safe approach to getting back to school

[Dumbastheycome]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school 

 

All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable   to the adverse effect of this virus!

 

 

"But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi² in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/

 

Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because  the parent can't be involved all the time while working !

So if and when  some of these  children who take Covid-19 home  to parents  who then  can potentially  die what then  for the  children?

Sudden increase in  single parent  families  or  even a demand  for  new  State  orphanages !

 

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

So if and when  some of these  children who take Covid-19 home  to parents  who then  can potentially  die what then  for the  children?

Sudden increase in  single parent  families  or  even a demand  for  new  State  orphanages !

 

I asked you a question ! It appears that you do

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence  to take a safe approach to getting back to school

It is  not for me to object. I now have no children to  need to consider that. But if still a custodial parent I would expect  to retain the right  to not send  my  children in  a  higher  level of risk due to the POTUS  calling  for ALL schools  to  reopen.

[cantata]

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school 

 

All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable   to the adverse effect of this virus!

 

 

"But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi² in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/

 

Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because  the parent can't be involved all the time while working !

That JAMA article was published when it looked like the virus was being brought under control. Before Trump urged states to "liberate" themselves. Too many of them heeded his call.

[animalmagic]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Follow this science

"The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2766113

There are way more than 46 pediatric hospitals in USA, to quote a study based on only 46 is misleading at the very least, especially when it does not show the locations of the 46 hospitals and the prevailing infection/mortality rates in that geographical area at the time of survey.

But, as I read last night, the White House is instructing hospitals to send infection data directly to them rather than the CDC, so they will be able to construct data to prove any political position they want very shortly.

The risk may not be to the children but to the vulnerable and at risk adults they come into contact with.  Cherry picking scientific data to validate a political position that, according to science, puts peoples lives at risk is rather pathetic.

 

 

[riclag]

1 minute ago, Dumbastheycome said:

It is  not for me to object. I now have no children to  need to consider that. But if still a custodial parent I would expect  to retain the right  to not send  my  children in  a  higher  level of risk due to the POTUS  calling  for ALL schools  to  reopen.

If people object that's fine thats their choice,their children  will be subject to risks as well as mentioned in the study. 

But what about the people  who disagree with you and many others, especially in areas that haven't seen a dramatic increase 

 

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, riclag said:

So would you object to a area in a state which has very little effect of the emergence  to take a safe approach to getting back to school

Is that what trump is demanding?

That states make their own decisions on school opening based upon the rate of infection in their state?

Because I’m ok with that, letting states make their own decisions on opening schools based upon the situation in their state.

 

Or is he demanding all open regardless?

Edited July 17, 2020 by Bluespunk

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

If people object that's fine thats their choice,their children  will be subject to risks as well as mentioned in the study. 

But what about the people  who disagree with you and many others, especially in areas that haven't seen a dramatic increase 

 

In the  lower incidence  areas  are those  that want schools open  a significant  majority or  a minoriy?

Most  interpretations  of democratic principles  suggest  the majority opinion is  the norm. Especially in the  face of  a dictate !

[connda]

Good.  The American people willing wish to ride the Titanic to the bottom.  Best of luck!  Hope ya'll get your wish!

[Tie Dye Samurai]

7 hours ago, Yinn said:

Amazing guy.

1) He deny problem

2) He refuse the mask

3) He have “rally” (soacial distance)

4) He say will finish in April, because hot season.

5) He want everyone return office, factory etc 

6) malaria drug not help. Bleach injections.

 

He do EVERYTHING opposite what doctor say. 

The doctor say will increase if like that. 

Ok...he is not an amazing guy...but besides that... +1

[riclag]

4 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

In the  lower incidence  areas  are those  that want schools open  a significant  majority or  a minoriy?

Most  interpretations  of democratic principles  suggest  the majority opinion is  the norm. Especially in the  face of  a dictate !

Even when the infectious disease  experts say it depends on the area without mentioning  (democratic principles ) in their comments! I guess you and many others have made a decision for many who see another side to it.

Ok  

 

[riclag]

33 minutes ago, cantata said:

That JAMA article was published when it looked like the virus was being brought under control. Before Trump urged states to "liberate" themselves. Too many of them heeded his call.

It is in many  not all areas  !  So that jama article would be ok with that! Many other top infectious disease people would be ok with opening of schools and the risk involved with guidelines on safety 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

<snip>Many other top infectious disease people would be ok with opening of schools and the risk involved with guidelines on safety 

And so would the schools if they can open safely. But with Ms DeVos refusing to say 'it is safe' not many schools will believe it is safe. Also Trump's reasoning 'we have to open schools so parents can go to work and the economy can restart' is not exactly reassuring regarding safe school opening.

[KarenBravo]

Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion?

Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet.

[riclag]

1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

There are way more than 46 pediatric hospitals in USA, to quote a study based on only 46 is misleading at the very least, especially when it does not show the locations of the 46 hospitals and the prevailing infection/mortality rates in that geographical area at the time of survey.

But, as I read last night, the White House is instructing hospitals to send infection data directly to them rather than the CDC, so they will be able to construct data to prove any political position they want very shortly.

The risk may not be to the children but to the vulnerable and at risk adults they come into contact with.  Cherry picking scientific data to validate a political position that, according to science, puts peoples lives at risk is rather pathetic.

 

 

If cherry picking scientific data shows how to open schools in areas's together with experts that don't  have  a political agenda ,would that be ok 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag

[riclag]

1 minute ago, KarenBravo said:

Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion?

Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet.

Child treatment ! Please do tell

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Is this for the benefit of the children? Or, is it just a callous reaction to help re-elect Trump so he can avoid a jump-suit that matches his complexion?

Knowing his record of child treatment, I'm inclined to believe the latter.

Besides, the economy and education won't resume until people feel safe and that time hasn't been reached, yet.

If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a  livin ,so to speak 

[KarenBravo]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a  livin ,so to speak 

Maybe you should read this thread's title again?

[FritsSikkink]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

I feel sorry for this young lady in some ways ,she's being subjected many times to msm derogatory questioning, with I gotcha questions from the activists pretending to be journalist!

 

Nah, for years we have been bombarded with drivel from a racist, criminal, dumb, incompetent woman abuser in the white house. Wonder when America is becoming great again, doesn't look very great at the moment.

Edited July 17, 2020 by FritsSikkink

[bunnydrops]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a  livin ,so to speak 

A great number of teachers are over 50. They are at risk. The child gets it at school, brings it home, it goes to work with their parents, parents bring it home and back to school it goes.

[riclag]

Just now, KarenBravo said:

Maybe you should read this thread's title again?

Oh Reuters title.  It doesn't mention treatment of children

[KarenBravo]

10 minutes ago, riclag said:

Oh Reuters title.  It doesn't mention treatment of children

It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. 

You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe.

Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa?

Edited July 17, 2020 by KarenBravo

[earlinclaifornia]

No brainer for me as my 8 year old is back in Thailand. Do as Thailand, when each school district has over thirty days with out transmission

[riclag]

27 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

A great number of teachers are over 50. They are at risk. The child gets it at school, brings it home, it goes to work with their parents, parents bring it home and back to school it goes.

"But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi² in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure".

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2766113

 

Other countries have re open . They used strict guidlines ,While others weren't as successful

Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag

[J Town]

23 minutes ago, riclag said:

If the children go back to school, the parents can focus on buying bread to put on the table! Get busy making a living, so to speak 

I doubt you have any school age children. Those germ factories WILL bring the virus back home. This is not debatable, some children will become infected, particularly as the US has allowed to set itself on fire with Covid-19 due to so many selfish people ignoring science. How many parents will die, leaving behind orphans who then become wards of the state?

 

The majority of countries who are currently successful FIRST got a handle on the virus, THEN opened up cautiously. It is also not debatable that 45 and his administration have repeatedly downplayed the virus and pushed most dangerously to get back to "normal." This has backfired in a most shameful exhibition of hubris.

 

 

 

Edited July 17, 2020 by J Town
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[riclag]

2 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. 

You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe.

Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa?

Maybe I'm missing something ! Experts besides Mr. Trump want kids to go back to school safely

[J Town]

Just now, riclag said:

Maybe I'm missing something ! Experts besides Mr. Trump want kids to go back to school safely

Not one person on this planet has said they don't want children back in class. What every parent is weighing on their minds is how 45 has, to date, over 20,000 lies to his credit, so how much can they trust the lives of their most cherished to the lies of a man interested only in making himself look good in an election year?

[riclag]

9 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

It implies people are not going to send their kids to school, no matter what Trump and De Vos mandate. 

You can't force people to go out and shop/eat/drink either, if they feel unsafe.

Didn't the Trump team absorb the lesson from Tulsa?

If states want to go back safely ,does that mean in your eyes ,it shouldn't be allowed. Some experts use this as part of a guide

Edited July 17, 2020 by riclag

[earlinclaifornia]

2 hours ago, riclag said:

The peditricians are sayin there is more harm by them stayin out of school 

 

All you got to do now is show more children are vulnerable   to the adverse effect of this virus!

 

 

"But in the 6 to 8 weeks since most schools in the US have closed, we have gathered new evidence about both children’s risks from the virus and their likelihood of transmitting it, as noted by Esposito and Principi² in this issue of JAMA Pediatrics. We know only what we know today about the benefits and harms associated with school closure.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/press-briefing-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany-7-16-2020/

 

Is your country one of the ones being taught by 10 year olds ! According to these experts they are saying teaching online can be detrimental especially for disadvantage children because  the parent can't be involved all the time while working !

Because you don't seem knowledgeable about this issue or have any young school children effecting how you think. I will share what you seem to be missing out. My  eight year old did online schooling as offered here in her Saraphi  school district. Logged in and spent hours and hours of classwork during all of June. School here has returned as of July first. No local transmissions here now for fifty days. Does any of this sound anything like what is happening in most all of the US? NO!!!

Edited July 17, 2020 by earlinclaifornia
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