Covid-19: Thailand named best in the world in coronavirus pandemic recovery stats

[pantsonfire]

27 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Excellent point and of course the answer is "no", 260 additional deaths per province would not be noticed in Thailand.

 

However, I do not think 20,000 have died due to Covid19 in Thailand, from looking at excess death figures a figure around 8400 or so looks likely, which is highly comparable to other countries which have not been badly affected. So Thailand did no better or worse than most countries.

 

But of course you have to factor that Thais are less obsese and younger than many other countries' populations.

Mortality rate in Asia has been considerable lower than in the western.  So the concept of hiding bodies does not comprehend in my opinion.  Just there will be a rise in cases, but looking at the number of recoveries, it has been higher.  You dont see any Asian (Singapore, Vietnam, Camdodia, HK, etc) with a high mortality rate at all.

[Logosone]

11 minutes ago, pantsonfire said:

Mortality rate in Asia has been considerable lower than in the western.  So the concept of hiding bodies does not comprehend in my opinion.  Just there will be a rise in cases, but looking at the number of recoveries, it has been higher.  You dont see any Asian (Singapore, Vietnam, Camdodia, HK, etc) with a high mortality rate at all.

The official death figures from Covid-19 in Asia have been considerably lower than in western countries because:

 

1) Asian countries have made no effort to test for the virus in serious numbers, so if someone dies from Covid19 he would not know because he was never tested for the virus. Witness Thailand that has not tested 99% of its population

 

2) Western countries err on the side of caution, so in Germany if a person is tested and dies of Covid19 then he is listed as "died of Covid19" even if he died of a heart attack or something other than Covid19. Belgium is extreme in this regard. The UK also counts like Germany. However in Thailand, not only are people not tested if they have Covid 19, so when they die of it they would not know, but also if a person dies and was tested and had Covid19 he is only listed as having died of Covid 19 if an autopsy determines that his actual cause of death was Covid19. Very different to Germany, UK, Belgium etc.

 

However, if you look at excess deaths, you quickly realise that Thailand had around 8400 excess deaths attributable to Covid 19. Which of course makes a mockery of Asian official mortality rate. They're just laughable. Anyone who believes Thailand had 58 deaths needs their head examined.

 

That this Malaysian "Global Covid-19 Index" from Pemandu Associates in Malaysia takes Thailand's 58 deaths as a real figure and feeds it unquestioningly into its Index shows that this Index is worthless, shoddy, and superficial. It is basically useless.

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Logosone

[Saint Nick]

19 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

You obviously don't get who the demon-seed is, I mentioned his name earlier, George W Bush, I mean what, you afraid of a black woman giving out Hydroxychloride.....lol, as for pedal stools George is on one, isn't he, he did good killing all those people, didn't he, God bless America and all that. 

You are making no sense!

At all!

Edited July 31, 2020 by Saint Nick

[metisdead]

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[DrTuner]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

And btw, Germany has 9144 deaths, not 10,000, which is not a serious problem in a population of 83,000,000, it's 0.01% of the population, mostly the very old. But then in Thailand you have problems with numbers, don't you?

About the same I got for Thailand from the NYT excess death data, somewhere between 6-7.5k excess in November, December and February, for a population of about 75M. For some reason January didn't show excess.

[Krataiboy]

19 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A good Associated Press article on the all the types of CV misinformation/false information like that that you seem to be continually be posting:

 

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

 

 

Again, not a shred of evidence anywhere to support these wild assertions - just as you produced absolutely none to refute the wealth of scientific research I cited which clearly show masks offer little, if any, protection against virus but are harmful to the wearer.

 

I'll try one more time to counter your obvious unconscious bias with some facts from sources even you might be expected to trust - US frontline doctors and the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

 

The frontline doctors are, like you, concerned with misinformation - much of which, in their view, is coming from official sources. They were rash enough to say so in public and their videoed views were promptly deplatformed by the pro-official-narrative major social media platforms and smear campaigns launched by the MSM.

 

If you are interested in what they had to say (and I sincerely hope you will be, as hydroxychloroquine is a key issue they address, you can find out here  

 

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1fc7a468370e02f29f34cf

 

. . .  and here:

 

https://spectator.org/playing-social-media-whack-a-mole-with-americas-frontline-doctors/

 

 

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Edited July 31, 2020 by Krataiboy

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Again, not a shred of evidence anywhere to support these wild assertions - just as you produced absolutely none to refute the wealth of scientific research I cited which clearly show masks offer little, if any, protection against virus but are harmful to the wearer.

 

 

Well done, comrade!  More junk science from discredited sources, just like Trump and your friend below:

 

Quote

 

“You don’t need masks. There is a cure,” Dr. Stella Immanuel promised in a video that promoted hydroxychloroquine. “You don’t need people to be locked down.”
 

The truth: Federal regulators last month revoked their authorization of the drug as an emergency treatment amid growing evidence it doesn’t work and can have deadly side effects. Even if it were effective, it wouldn’t negate the need for masks and other measures to contain the outbreak.
 

None of that stopped Trump, who has repeatedly praised the drug, from retweeting the video. Twitter and Facebook began removing the video Monday for violating policies on COVID-19 misinformation, but it had already been seen more than 20 million times.

 

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

As for masks:
 

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This week, U.S. government officials speaking on condition of anonymity cited what they said was a clear link between Russian intelligence and websites with stories designed to spread disinformation on the coronavirus in the West. Russian officials rejected the accusations.
 

Of all the bizarre and myriad claims about the virus, those regarding masks are proving to be among the most stubborn.

...

Many of the claims around masks allege harmful effects, such as blocked oxygen flow or even a greater chance of infection. The claims have been widely debunked by doctors.

...

A recent AP/NORC poll said 3 in 4 Americans — Democrats and Republicans alike — support a national mask mandate.

 

 

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

[Logosone]

48 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Again, not a shred of evidence anywhere to support these wild assertions - just as you produced absolutely none to refute the wealth of scientific research I cited which clearly show masks offer little, if any, protection against virus but are harmful to the wearer.

 

I'll try one more time to counter your obvious unconscious bias with some facts from sources even you might be expected to trust - US frontline doctors and the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.

 

The frontline doctors are, like you, concerned with misinformation - much of which, in their view, is coming from official sources. They were rash enough to say so in public and their videoed views were promptly deplatformed by the pro-official-narrative major social media platforms and smear campaigns launched by the MSM.

 

If you are interested in what they had to say (and I sincerely hope you will be, as hydroxychloroquine is a key issue they address, you can find out here  

 

https://banned.video/watch?id=5f1fc7a468370e02f29f34cf

 

. . .  and here:

 

https://spectator.org/playing-social-media-whack-a-mole-with-americas-frontline-doctors/

 

 

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Excellent article by the Spectator, everyone should read it.

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Well done, comrade!  More junk science from discredited sources, just like Trump and your friend below:

 

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

 

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

As for masks:
 

 

https://apnews.com/86f61f3ffb6173c29bc7db201c10f141

So apnews is the oracle? Oh, dear. The words horse, water and lead come to mind. Obviously wasting my time. Byee.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Krataiboy

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Excellent article by the Spectator, everyone should read it.

 

Agreed. Especially our friend TallGuyJohninBKK. Could be the end of his love affair with AP if he follows the link to this demolition job on the discredited agency.

 

https://spectator.org/david-klepper-coronavirus-misinformation-stella-immanuel/

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Krataiboy

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

 

So apnews is the oracle? Oh, dear. The words horse, water and lead come to mind. Obviously wasting my time. Byee.

 

Given a choice between you, Trump and his Cameroonian witch doctor....

 

vs.

 

the Infectious Disease Society of American (the main association for U.S. infectious disease doctors and researchers)...

 

I'll listen to ISDA, thank you....

 

https://www.idsociety.org/news--publications-new/articles/2020/infectious-diseases-specialists-call-on-public-to-wear-a-mask-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/

 

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Infectious Diseases Specialists Call on Public to Wear a Mask, Slow the Spread of COVID-19

7/8/2020

Statement by IDSA President Thomas File, Jr., M.D., MSc, FIDSA and HIVMA Chair Judith Feinberg, M.D., FIDSA
 

As the number of COVID-19 cases in the United States continues to climb, the Infectious Diseases Society of America and its HIV Medicine Association implore the public to take the only simple and effective steps we have to slow the spread of the coronavirus and save lives – key among them, wear a mask.

...

Universal use of masks in public is the most effective step we can take toward gaining control over this pandemic and re-opening our economy with confidence.
 

In addition to frequent handwashing and physical distancing, scientific evidence is strong that cloth masks can obstruct many of the droplets from the mouth and nose that spread the virus. Masks are especially important in enclosed spaces and should be worn in all community settings. 

 

 

 

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The Infectious Diseases Society of America (IDSA) is a community of over 12,000 physicians, scientists and public health experts who specialize in infectious diseases.

 

Of course, some here are going to believe the Cameroonian witch doctor regardless. This is who Trump and Pence are taking their CV advice from:

 

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Five years ago, she alleged that alien DNA was being used in medical treatments, and that scientists were cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious.
 

Some of her other claims include blaming medical conditions on witches and demons - a common enough belief among some evangelical Christians - though she says they have sex with people in a dream world.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

 

[Purdey]

On 7/29/2020 at 6:08 PM, madmen said:

Not good in what way specifically in each of your examples? 

Fair enough.

 

Economics: Thailand's slowing economic performance began immediately after the coup and its leaders' handling of the economy (it is all one Prayut government after all). Read William Pesek, (4 December 2015). "Thailand's Generals Shoot Economy in the Foot"; Fuller, Thomas (29 November 2015). "Thai Economy and Spirits Are Sagging." Growth forecast for 2019 declined even before Covid. 2018 marked the best results since the arrival in power of the government in 2014, but economic growth decreased in 2019 to an estimated 2.4%.

Finance: continued use of populist policies via Somkid Jatusripitak by throwing money into rural areas instead of building a skilled workforce. Populist policies from the very beginning, like free cinema tickets were a waste of money. Public debt remained relatively stable in 2019, estimated by the IMF at 42.4%, although is expected to grow in 2020 and 2021 to 43% and 43.8% respectively.

Trade: Ministry of Commerce figures showed exports in 2016 fell by 8.91% year-on-year to $15.7 billion in January, the worst drop since November 2011 and the fourteenth consecutive month of decline. Thailand's exports have been declining for much of the three years prior to 2016. 2015 total export decline of 5.78% was the worst drop in six years.

 

[Krataiboy]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Given a choice between you, Trump and his Cameroonian witch doctor....

 

vs.

 

the Infectious Disease Society of American (the main association for U.S. infectious disease doctors and researchers)...

 

I'll listen to ISDA, thank you....

 

https://www.idsociety.org/news--publications-new/articles/2020/infectious-diseases-specialists-call-on-public-to-wear-a-mask-slow-the-spread-of-covid-19/

 

 

 

 

Of course, some here are going to believe the Cameroonian witch doctor regardless. This is who Trump and Pence are taking their CV advice from:

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-53579773

 

Racist AND a BBC fan. One strike to go.

[gamini]

On 7/29/2020 at 8:43 AM, GeorgeCross said:

"Covid-19: Thailand named best in the world in coronavirus pandemic recovery stats"

 

its a shame the UK doesn't recognise this ????

I think that they are just beginning to realise that the reason they have the highest death rate per capita in the world from the virus is because they  also have the highest obsese  rate in the world. the PM has started to do something about it including going on a diet himself. 

[gamini]

On 7/30/2020 at 3:46 AM, geriatrickid said:

Save the  blatant attempt to disseminate false information. The jig is up. People know.

 

Declassified intel says Russia is spreading coronavirus disinformation: reports

Newly declassified intelligence reportedly shows that Russian operatives are using a variety of English-language websites to spread disinformation about the novel coronavirus. Senior officials with the Russian military intelligence unit known as the GRU are responsible for the disinformation campaign, according to reports from The New York Times and The Associated Press on Tuesday.

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/509467-declassified-intel-says-russia-is-spreading-coronavirus-disinformation

 

Your promotion of an opinion by Mr. Denis Rancourt is classic sabotage. The man is trained in physics, not  medical engineering and infectious disease. Of greater interest is that he had once been a tenured professor at the University of Ottawa. He was TERMINATED.  In Canada it is almost impossible to terminate a tenured professor.  He is known for his conflicts with the university  arising from his grade inflation and "academic squatting," (the act of arbitrarily changing the topic of a course without departmental permission.)  He is described as an emotionally unstable extremist. I find the description credible considering his wild allegations and his recent  legal case involving the allegation of character stalking. He is also described as an opinion for hire. Russia does not support action in respect to global warming, in large part because of its oil industry interests.  Mr. Rancourt has spoken out against changes to stem global warming.   How very convenient that  he always seems to be in synch with Russia.  

 

 

 

 

What's this post got to do with the article or are you just another Thai basher

[Ratchsima]

20 hours ago, JCP108 said:

You really don't have to do anything to "keep it invisible" other than just not report it. In regards to road deaths: happens every day and consistently high numbers per month/year. The only way we have a sense of that is the aggregate reports. No mounds of dead bodies. Hospitals not popping at the seams with injured. If they didn't give us the raw daily/monthly/yearly numbers of road deaths we'd be in the dark without any special effort to "hide" anything.

Ecaudor and Bolivia have these situations where hundreads of abandoned dead body are lying around the streets and in front of the houses, funeral system collapse in the virus spreading hot-spot cities. Hospitals are full and chaotic. They have not enough resources to manage these bodies due to the crirsis. 

 

Say, Thailand and those Latin American nations are in same leauge of development and corrupted system. But why situations are very different? Where is the Covid19 hotspot. Can the virus spread perfectly evenly in every 76 provinces like 100 deaths per province so that it is easy to hind?

Edited July 31, 2020 by Ratchsima

[Yinn]

22 hours ago, Logosone said:

And btw, Germany has 9144 deaths, not 10,000, which is not a serious problem

Wow, you say anything. But can not say you wrong. Lose the face. 

 

If we look at the number of COVID-19 cases in Jena, masks seem to have a positive effect. The number of registered new infections fell to almost zero in the days after masks were introduced.

Link

https://voxeu.org/article/unmasked-effect-face-masks-spread-covid-19

 

 

 

 

[Tounge Thaied]

Testing! Testing! Testing! Remember that mantra? Thailand doesn't test... ????

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Ratchsima said:

Ecaudor and Bolivia have these situations where hundreads of abandoned dead body are lying around the streets and in front of the houses, funeral system collapse in the virus spreading hot-spot cities. Hospitals are full and chaotic. They have not enough resources to manage these bodies due to the crirsis. 

 

Say, Thailand and those Latin American nations are in same leauge of development and corrupted system. But why situations are very different? Where is the Covid19 hotspot. Can the virus spread perfectly evenly in every 76 provinces like 100 deaths per province so that it is easy to hind?

There is something to your point but the Ecuador example is kind of bad. The bodies in the streets thing was specific to one city (Guayaquil) and there were complicating factors there (labor issues, etc.) that created a definitely ugly situation that was sensationalized. 

I think the truth about Thailand (which is probably never fully knowable) lies somewhere in between the extremes of theories.

It's impossible to believe that there is zero community transmission here but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest it is on the low side. With continuing mitigating measures (masks, distancing, etc.) Thailand can continue to do well but there is the risk everyday of slippage as we have already seen in a number of countries that thought they beat this. I think that's the biggest danger -- declaring victory and letting down the guard.

[berrec]

On 7/29/2020 at 11:12 AM, 4MyEgo said:

Actually apparently there is or was a video just out of front line US doctors literally screaming out that they have had enough and that they have tested and treated patience with no deaths using Hydroxychloroquine with zinc and Azithromycin, they are going against the grain, e.g. the government pulling it off of the shelves and threatening to take away their licenses based on previous studies, however those studies showed that the patients were administered 2,400mils of it as opposed to 200mils twice a week, in other words the toxicity basically killed the patients because they were given loaded doses x 10 times what they should have been given, they also stated that if given when in the early stages the success rate is the highest.

 

I will put the link in link that now says it was fake news and hope the mods don't remove it like Facebook and others have done, I mean these are qualified doctors who treated patients who are going against the mainstream media and governments and treating patients successfully, so it's from the horse's mouth, not the governments, so there is a cure according to these doctors, after all why has Trump been taking it for so long, and why did he retweet the video so many times until Facebook, Twitter and Youtube took it down, I have never know news to ever be taken down before COVID, so free speech is out is it, well it appears so, so don't believe what doctors say, only governments right, yes let's wait for the vaccine, but what about those who don't want it, are we to be forced to take it ?

 

Fortunately for me, I bookmarked the video and can send it to you in a PM if you want, to make up your own mind as opposed to it being removed here on TVF, I found it to be very convincing with doctors becoming quite emotional about saving lives as opposed to allowing them to be killed off.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/tech/facebook-youtube-coronavirus/index.html

 

 

 

Unfortunately, your post contained the reason it was taking down; "Trump" because whether you dislike the guy or not he supported it in addition to taking it.

 

So if Trump said it was effective and would save lives in the early stages of treating COVID-19, the crazy Democrats, leftist media outlets and lefist social media platforms say it must me bad "because Trump said it was good" and has to be rebuffed.

 

It has become a political football at the cost of actually saving lives by denying doctors and patients access to it.  

 

As proven by global doctors treating patients at the coalface and published studies by experts in the field; it has value in the early stages of treatment.

 

Many doctors treating COVID-19 patients take it themselves.  

 

I for one based on months of research on COVID-19 have my list of the local equivalent brand names of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin medication distributed in Thailand ready to purchase at a hospital pharmacy if I get the dreaded COVID-19.  

 

Other then the zinc tablets all the pharmacies I tried in Bangkok don't carry Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin tablets.

 

I have no issue with administering the recommended dosages to myself based on the doctor's success case studies I read. 

[sqwakvfr]

If Thailand is the best then the US must be the worst.  As of August 1 2020 here are the US Numbers:

 

Covid 19 Tests administered:                59 Million and counting (almost the population of Thailand)

Positives.                                            4.7 million and growing

Deaths:                                               156,000 and growing

 

So based upon the numbers the US has a Covid 19 Positive rate of  8 %

The death rate per total test administered is.: .3%

 

So how many Covid 19 Tests has Thailand administered so far????

 

*These numbers were obtained from the CDC.  

 

Thailand Number 1.

[Jonathan Swift]

On 7/28/2020 at 9:46 PM, spiekerjozef said:

What do you think 2nd, 3rd and 4th waves will do in Europe or the US?

 

Well done Thailand !

There won't be a 3rd and 4th for the US because the 2nd is not going to end any time soon. Europe will be OK. Not only is corona highly contagious, in the US there is an epidemic of stupidity from the president on down to the idiots and morons who elected him. People are shooting each other for being asked to wear masks in public. 

[sometimewoodworker]

On 8/2/2020 at 2:38 AM, Jonathan Swift said:

There won't be a 3rd and 4th for the US because the 2nd is not going to end any time soon. Europe will be OK. Not only is corona highly contagious, in the US there is an epidemic of stupidity from the president on down to the idiots and morons who elected him. People are shooting each other for being asked to wear masks in public. 

The USA doesn’t have a second wave. It is still in the first, that was never controlled,  Since I started including it in April the rolling average has never dropped under 20,000 new cases per day. The best day was the 11th of May with over 18,000.

 

You are absolutely correct on the assessment of stupidity but those at the top deserve a Nuremberg trial as they have knowing made evil choices and abdicated their role as a government.

Edited August 3, 2020 by sometimewoodworker

[Saint Nick]

On 8/1/2020 at 7:04 AM, Yinn said:

Wow, you say anything. But can not say you wrong. Lose the face. 

 

If we look at the number of COVID-19 cases in Jena, masks seem to have a positive effect. The number of registered new infections fell to almost zero in the days after masks were introduced.

Link

https://voxeu.org/article/unmasked-effect-face-masks-spread-covid-19

 

 

 

 

Thailand's government is lying!

Get over it, Yoda!

[Saint Nick]

On 8/1/2020 at 8:14 AM, berrec said:

Unfortunately, your post contained the reason it was taking down; "Trump" because whether you dislike the guy or not he supported it in addition to taking it.

 

So if Trump said it was effective and would save lives in the early stages of treating COVID-19, the crazy Democrats, leftist media outlets and lefist social media platforms say it must me bad "because Trump said it was good" and has to be rebuffed.

 

It has become a political football at the cost of actually saving lives by denying doctors and patients access to it.  

 

As proven by global doctors treating patients at the coalface and published studies by experts in the field; it has value in the early stages of treatment.

 

Many doctors treating COVID-19 patients take it themselves.  

 

I for one based on months of research on COVID-19 have my list of the local equivalent brand names of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin medication distributed in Thailand ready to purchase at a hospital pharmacy if I get the dreaded COVID-19.  

 

Other then the zinc tablets all the pharmacies I tried in Bangkok don't carry Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin tablets.

 

I have no issue with administering the recommended dosages to myself based on the doctor's success case studies I read. 

Good luck!

????

[teacherclaire]

I knew that there'll be the time when Thailand becomes a real hub of something. Thumbs up! ????

 

[teacherclaire]

On 8/1/2020 at 4:35 PM, sqwakvfr said:

If Thailand is the best then the US must be the worst.  As of August 1 2020 here are the US Numbers:

 

Covid 19 Tests administered:                59 Million and counting (almost the population of Thailand)

Positives.                                            4.7 million and growing

Deaths:                                               156,000 and growing

 

So based upon the numbers the US has a Covid 19 Positive rate of  8 %

The death rate per total test administered is.: .3%

 

So how many Covid 19 Tests has Thailand administered so far????

 

*These numbers were obtained from the CDC.  

 

Thailand Number 1.

If Thailand is the best then the US must be the worst. 

Yessir. 

[Calvin1976]

6 minutes ago, teacherclaire said:

If Thailand is the best then the US must be the worst. 

Yessir. 

Thailand may not be good anymore... ????

Dozens of military troops from the "WORST" already here, at Bangkok... 

[sqwakvfr]

If Thailand is the best then the US must be the worst. 

Yessir. 

 

Agreed.  Then how many COVID 19 Tests has Thailand administered?  Is this some kind of Classified Information?  At least the Worst has some Transparency.  

 

Total Covid 19 Tests administered is important because then Thailand’s number will be context.  For example if Thailand has administered 1,00.,000 COVID 19 Tests then the total number of infections would be truly impressive and indeed they could take the title of Number 1.  But if the actual number of test administered is much less(perhaps in the 100,000 range?) then it would not be so impressive.  I do not believe Thailand can be crowned as Number 1 without full transparency.  

Edited August 4, 2020 by sqwakvfr
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