9 minutes ago, fdsa said:

people do not explicitly "put there" their contact lists, contents of their SMS and email messages, list of installed applications on their phones, their Wi-Fi access point name and MAC address including all neighboring Wi-Fi access points, and so on.

if an app presents itself as "share your video with the world" but reveals as "share your private information with us" then it's malpractice at least and espionage at most.

TikTok privacy policy and info they collect is extensively disclosed in the link below, it's not a secret...

 

https://www.tiktok.com/legal/privacy-policy?lang=en

A simple executive order for national security gets it done. bye bye tiktok in America.

7 hours ago, fdsa said:

people do not explicitly "put there" their contact lists, contents of their SMS and email messages, list of installed applications on their phones, their Wi-Fi access point name and MAC address including all neighboring Wi-Fi access points, and so on.

if an app presents itself as "share your video with the world" but reveals as "share your private information with us" then it's malpractice at least and espionage at most.

Read the text before you click "OK" would help.

On 8/1/2020 at 6:52 PM, Eric Loh said:

Sorry I don’t see much of evidence and this not peer reviewed by other developers. I will reserve my judgement if this just another political expediency. 

Actually, it was one guy in India (redditor) by the name of Bangorlol who came up with the news. Now: India is currently whipping up a bit of anti-China sentiment, and there were lots of reports of Chinese apps being banned in India because of [reasons]. Yep, so much for facts.

There was a post on Facebook that made me smile,about having now totally peed of the teenagers in the US they are not about to let him get away with it.A few million teenagers causing havoc online will be funny.

OMG, if Tiktok is banned what will all those kids that love to show off their moves do? Not much point if no one can see.

I will ban but if you sell to an American company, I will re-consider. That’s bullying and blatant unfair business practice. 

If you want to see 16-year-old girls dancing, you'll have to get on a plane with Bill Clinton.

On 8/1/2020 at 4:53 PM, Tie Dye Samurai said:

The "Don't embarrass Trump into thinking his Tulsa Coronapalooza was going to have a packed house and only produced 6K" regulation

You(the US people) voted for him.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

I will ban but if you sell to an American company, I will re-consider. That’s bullying and blatant unfair business practice. 

An American company would be able to remove all the sticky gooey spyware and make is safe. 

 

... as if China stealing trillions of dollars of intellectual property is 'fair' business. Lol.

12 hours ago, adammike said:

There was a post on Facebook that made me smile,about having now totally peed of the teenagers in the US they are not about to let him get away with it.A few million teenagers causing havoc online will be funny.

They made their mark by humiliating Trump over attendance at his failed rally and they’ve been signing up to vote at a rather encouraging rate.

20 minutes ago, rabas said:

An American company would be able to remove all the sticky gooey spyware and make is safe. 

 

... as if China stealing trillions of dollars of intellectual property is 'fair' business. Lol.

Not proven just like the Huawei’s allegation. 

23 minutes ago, rabas said:

An American company would be able to remove all the sticky gooey spyware and make is safe. 

 

... as if China stealing trillions of dollars of intellectual property is 'fair' business. Lol.

3 big tech CEO in House hearing said there were no evidence of China stealing intellectual properties. 

33 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

3 big tech CEO in House hearing said there were no evidence of China stealing intellectual properties. 

Total CCP nonsense and diversionary statement.  The world and US have been fighting intellectual  property theft for decades . The FBI director recently stated in in public talk the loss to China is in the trillion(s) of dollars. He said it was the greatest single theft of all of history.

 

google Chinese intellectual property theft, read for the rest of your life.

 

1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year: CNBC CFO survey

 

Does China steal intellectual property?

01, 2018. There are no exact statistics on trade secret theft ranked by nation, but China remains the world's principal IP infringer across all types of IP theft, according to a spokesman for the IP Commission, which estimates up $600 billion annually in cost to the U.S. economy from these actions.1 มี.ค. 2562

1 hour ago, rabas said:

An American company would be able to remove all the sticky gooey spyware and make is safe. 

 

... as if China stealing trillions of dollars of intellectual property is 'fair' business. Lol.

Wrong. An American company would insert its own sticky gooey spyware and leave the safety in dreamland. You may have read reports that in Germany, government researchers have found nil in ways of spyware or other unwanted stuff in Huawei gear, but ample amounts of such in Cisco gear. Go figure... (no please, don't - the mob judge has spoken, hang the Chinese high...)

 

36 minutes ago, rabas said:

Total CCP nonsense and diversionary statement.  The world and US have been fighting intellectual  property theft for decades . The FBI director recently stated in in public talk the loss to China is in the trillion(s) of dollars. He said it was the greatest single theft of all of history.

 

google Chinese intellectual property theft, read for the rest of your life.

 

1 in 5 corporations say China has stolen their IP within the last year: CNBC CFO survey

 

Does China steal intellectual property?

01, 2018. There are no exact statistics on trade secret theft ranked by nation, but China remains the world's principal IP infringer across all types of IP theft, according to a spokesman for the IP Commission, which estimates up $600 billion annually in cost to the U.S. economy from these actions.1 มี.ค. 2562

Almost 70% of corporations don't know for sure whether their IP were stolen. There are unsure because they know that the investment 51/49 rules meant that there will be technology transfer as part of the investment agreement just like any countries which has this 51/49 requirement; Thailand or Vietnam as examples. Investors reaped the benefit of entry to large domestic market and their technology is vital to be efficient, competitive and productive. Investors are not going into China blind and they know that their technologies will need to be assigned and know-how and technical assistance transferred to the local partner and staffs. No doubt it will be copied and this is risk that foreign investors have to factor that in before they sign the investment agreement. They can signed a separate trade mark licensing agreement or even a patent license agreement separately for protection and can be taken to arbitration court if infringed. Are you confusing technology transfer with IP thefts.   

Remember the nonsense Yahoo got up to with the Chinese government. Who was the president then?

 

58 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 Are you confusing technology transfer with IP thefts.   

Chris Wray, director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation was not confused when he recently stated that Chinese theft of US intellectual property was it the $ trillions and represented the greatest transfer of wealth in human history.

 

As head of the FBI, he would be the top legal expert on the subject.

 

It may be interesting to review what he said.

 

Edited August 3, 20205 yr by rabas

I have never used TikTok, but my kidsdo.

 

That being said, the irony of all this is that TikTok along with Facebook, Twitter are all blocked in China itself for the fear that social media from outside China just might promote some views hostile to the CCP

49 minutes ago, rabas said:

Chris Wray, director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation was not confused when he recently stated that Chinese theft of US intellectual property was it the $ trillions and represented the greatest transfer of wealth in human history.

 

As head of the FBI, he would be the top legal expert on the subject.

 

It may be interesting to review what he said.

 

Just about every developed countries have stolen or borrowed technologies, inventions and ideas from others often without asking. US acquired vast amounts of technology from the Nazis to close the technology gaps and stole from the Japanese from drugs to rocket science. If US feel strongly on China stealing their technologies, they can simply stopped setting up their companies in China. Seem they want to this both ways. They want to set up business, benefit from the large market and reaped the profit and same time lament that their technologies being stolen. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Just about every developed countries have stolen or borrowed technologies, inventions and ideas from others often without asking. US acquired vast amounts of technology from the Nazis to close the technology gaps and stole from the Japanese from drugs to rocket science. If US feel strongly on China stealing their technologies, they can simply stopped setting up their companies in China. Seem they want to this both ways. They want to set up business, benefit from the large market and reaped the profit and same time lament that their technologies being stolen. 

 

 

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It's a bit of a stretch to equate using captured technology from defeated fascist regimes to industrial espionage on an epic scale.

 

You know where I stand on this. But having spent 3 days in a Shanghai detention cell because after an early morning raid on our office I refused to give up company intranet passwords which would haven given access to all our design technology, I'm a little bitter.

So I beg to differ that's the same as using Nazi technology upon defeat in war time.

 

If I was alone in my experiences maybe it would be different, but it's far from it.

 

You can please your masters by trying to counter the real truth of China's theft, but those of us that have experienced it know the truth, and no amount of CCP disinformation will change that