46 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

New York stated in their figures that just 2% of ALL covid deaths were of people with no known pre existing condition. That rolled out over the pandemic means only about 16,000 people WORLDWIDE without pre-existing conditions have died, Total nuts reaction.

The stats are the same in the UK, around 2% without any pre-existing medical conditions. I think a lot of people don't really care anymore, unless you fall into certain catergories you are quite safe. The scaremongers can hide away if they want.

5 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

It's truly shocking the depths of the disastrous epidemic the US is having that really one cannot compare with what has happened anywhere in Asia of Europe. Something strange and terrible is going on in the US and not just with covid. It's almost a complete societal failure. The best decision I ever made was when I decided to leave America 22 years ago.

 

While some Asian societies took prompt action. Thailand waited 3 months to institute many policies. Masks certainly showed up much earlier. It seems to me that it is circulating at some low level everywhere. Look at New Zealand. If their extreme measures and geographic isolation cannot suppress it completely, it cannot be done. In the long term, public health, must be balanced with economic health, etc.

Disastrous epidemic?

 

There are 330,000,000 people. Do the math.

 

More are killed in the USA every single year from the flu, cancer, others

 

The real disaster, held unchecked, is the economic fallout of people losing their jobs, economies tanking, rising costs, starvation, rising crime, etc

12 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Disastrous epidemic?

 

There are 330,000,000 people. Do the math.

 

More are killed in the USA every single year from the flu, cancer, others

 

The real disaster, held unchecked, is the economic fallout of people losing their jobs, economies tanking, rising costs, starvation, rising crime, etc

Sure there are probably 8,800 a day killed in the US everyday (at least what it was in 2019), and right now about 1k for covid, but for sure this is far greater death toll than any flu epidemic to hit the US outside of the Spanish flu pandemic. It's definitely worse than Hong Kong and Asain flu deaths which killed 116K and 100K in the US. The US is at 160k+ and ongoing-will be in the 200-300k range probably, maybe more. For an upper respiratory disease epidemic, that's a huge amount. Compared to what has been going on in other countries and what has happened historically, I would call it a disaster.

 

The poor containment and governmental response has contributed to what will be an economic meltdown. The economic fallout is also a disaster. The horrible political climate and divisive partisan infighting has made everything worse. Both the public health and economic spheres need to be addressed in a comprehensive bipartisan measured response, but it won't be because people say it is one or the other and it's both.

40 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Let's say you are wearing a mask and a person with CV sneezes in your face?

 

Do you get CV or not?

 

Does the germ all stop at the mask and not get in your eyes, ears, hair, skin?

What if the other person is wearing a mask too?

12 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Life is going on quite well in Thailand...compared to the lockdowns in many others and out of control spread in the U.S. Schools and businesses are open and internal travel is unhindered...there's no other place I'd rather be at the moment.

Maybe not quite so good for the couple of million Thais who rely on tourism though.

Quite frankly for financially secure expats or very wealthy Thais , the current situation is just dandy , not really the point though is it.

I live in a very pleasant village in Kent and the virus isn't having any great impact on me . I do however have empathy for the millions of people worldwide ( including Thailand ) who covid is affecting badly . Each to their own I suppose.

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by joecoolfrog

1 hour ago, bwpage3 said:

Disastrous epidemic?

More are killed in the USA every single year from the flu, cancer, others

 

 

And more are not killed every year in the US by the flu. If you look at other disease or total diseases, sure. The only things that will end up being more are cancer and heart disease which are around 600k+ each, but for flu and pneumonia definitely not - influenza and pneumonia approximately 60K combined per year.

1 hour ago, bwpage3 said:

Let's say you are wearing a mask and a person with CV sneezes in your face?

 

Do you get CV or not?

 

Does the germ all stop at the mask and not get in your eyes, ears, hair, skin?

 

Well, hopefully the other person with CV is also wearing THEIR mask and not sneezing in the face of other people...

 

But Johns Hopkins had a piece the other day on a new study on mask wearing protection, as follows:
 

Quote

 

MASK EFFICACY Researchers from Duke University (US) evaluated various types of face masks to compare their ability to filter respiratory droplets. ... The study, published in Science: Advances, evaluated 14 types of mask construction, including a fit-tested (non-valved) N95 respirator, a valved N95 respirator, a surgical mask, a bandana, a neck gaiter, and various examples of cloth masks using different designs and materials. Individuals wore the masks and spoke aloud into the test chamber. 

 

The majority of the masks tested reduced the number of expelled droplets by more than 60%, and 10 of the masks reduced droplets by approximately 80% or more. Not surprisingly, the most effective options were the fitted N95 respirator and surgical mask, which contained nearly all of the droplets. Also not surprisingly, the fitted, non-valved N95 respirator was “far superior” to the valved respirator, as the valve allows exhaled air to pass through unfiltered. The mask constructed of knit material (ie, as opposed to woven) was only 65% effective, and the bandana was only 35-40% effective.

 

 

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/COVID-19-Updates---August-10--2020.html

 

I wear N95 or similar masks, and have since the outset of all this.

 

36 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Maybe not quite so good for the couple of million Thais who rely on tourism though.

Quite frankly for financially secure expats or very wealthy Thais , the current situation is just dandy , not really the point though is it.

I live in a very pleasant village in Kent and the virus isn't having any great impact on me . I do however have empathy for the millions of people worldwide ( including Thailand ) who covid is affecting badly . Each to their own I suppose.

While not ideal, the situation for the millions of Thais in the tourism sector would be the same, or likely worse, if border controls were relaxed and the virus and infections/deaths were spreading unchecked. The way to bring back the economy is to beat the virus. While Thailand seems to have done this, unfortunately many of its inbound tourist markets have not.

1 hour ago, bwpage3 said:

A mask does NOT prevent the spread of CV.

 

Masks are not air-tight now are they?

 

Anything not airtight can allow germs to get in.

 

Imagine a person with CV sneezing in your face!

 

The mask is not going to save you.

 

A mask is better than nothing but it will not save you.

Your last sentence says it. I think everyone knows that.

Just returned from Pattaya, 153 rooms in hotel 3 occupied,  Say no more!

Anyone remember the HN51 outbreak and being quarantined ? Lockdown ? Loss of jobs ? Closure of airports ? Thought not it was a lot more deadly than this virus '19' and we learnt to live with it and get on with our lives as we do every year with flu, like a virus its mutates and we get on with that as well, no one shut the economy down and stopped travel. Experts when it comes down to it are people who something but when it comes to predictions they are useless apart from instilling fear into people with the power to shut down the way of life we have been used to and remember all governments and their associated agencies along with these experts all still have jobs and being paid the usual fee their words do not affect them at all its the people in the private sector who feel all the pain, lose the jobs and work places that have had to shut down likely never to re open again.

If there is one lesson here it that you can see how life as we know it is on a knife edge and we should be very careful not to do anything to disturb it.

The whole fleet of  virgin airlines is grounded in Australia

3 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

You think a mask prevents CV?

Yes.

 

Me and the doctor and scientist. 

 

You a antimasker? Watch YouTube?

3 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

Disastrous epidemic?

 

There are 330,000,000 people. Do the math.

 

 

Ok 

170,000 dead already 

5 million positive

infection 50,000+ everyday 

anti maskers, anti vaxxers, conspiracy theory x100

 

 

= 1 million + will die 

Be 329,000,000 people.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Ok 

170,000 dead already 

5 million positive

infection 50,000+ everyday 

anti maskers, anti vaxxers, conspiracy theory x100

 

 

= 1 million + will die 

Be 329,000,000 people.

 

 

So whats your point?

 

What will you do when the Thai economy crashes?

 

Were you even born in 1997?

 

Just exactly how many Thai's killed themselves in that last financial crisis?

 

 

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by bwpage3

1 minute ago, bwpage3 said:

So whats your point?

 

The common flu kills even more.

 

 

There"s no point, obviously.

18 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Yes.

 

Me and the doctor and scientist. 

 

You a antimasker? Watch YouTube?

Ok someone with CV sneezes right in your face!

 

Does the mask prevent you from getting CV?

 

Do any germs make it make it past the cheap mask you are wearing?

 

What about the germs on your skin, in your eyes, hair, ears?

 

Think the mask is going to save you?

 

 

3 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

What if the other person is wearing a mask too?

You don't think when a person wearing a mask sneezes germs don't escape?

 

99% are not air tight and the germs go all over

 

Only takes 1 germ

3 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

Sure there are probably 8,800 a day killed in the US everyday (at least what it was in 2019), and right now about 1k for covid, but for sure this is far greater death toll than any flu epidemic to hit the US outside of the Spanish flu pandemic. It's definitely worse than Hong Kong and Asain flu deaths which killed 116K and 100K in the US. The US is at 160k+ and ongoing-will be in the 200-300k range probably, maybe more. For an upper respiratory disease epidemic, that's a huge amount. Compared to what has been going on in other countries and what has happened historically, I would call it a disaster.

 

The poor containment and governmental response has contributed to what will be an economic meltdown. The economic fallout is also a disaster. The horrible political climate and divisive partisan infighting has made everything worse. Both the public health and economic spheres need to be addressed in a comprehensive bipartisan measured response, but it won't be because people say it is one or the other and it's both.

Put into perspective 330,000,000 people and do the math.

 

Not opening the economy, such as what Thailand is doing, will have adverse effects

4 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

have a thai knees up and a party ? as usual without a care

 

You must like tossed salad?

4 hours ago, Aussie Col said:

What percentage of the Thai population has been tested?

All countrys most the people not tested.

thailand do 750,000 test already.

More than most countries. More than New Zealand. 

 

If have lot of positive will test more.

Every test the last 78 days is negative. 

 

4 hours ago, Aussie Col said:

I know nobody who's been tested and and the friends and family i ask they know nobody either.

Which country? 

 

4 hours ago, Aussie Col said:

If you don't test anybody you wouldn't find covid-19

You test yet?

Why not?

 

Test not help if you have covid already. Better wear mask, stay home, not get it.

 

Good luck

34 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Yes.

 

Me and the doctor and scientist. 

 

You a antimasker? Watch YouTube?

@Yinn Most masks that we, the public wear, won't totally prevent virus transmission. Only the advanced "PPE" that medical professionals wear will (hopefully) do that.

 

BUT....... Have you ever heard the expression "every little helps"? If you and I are in a confined space together, both wearing masks, and one of us has the virus, the combined effect of the 2 masks might slow down any possible transmission. However, if we're "socially distant" or out of doors, the masks are pretty much a waste of time. 

21 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

What will you do when the Thai economy crashes?

Buy cheap land.

 

21 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

Just exactly how many Thai's killed themselves in that last financial crisis?

 

 

Less than 170,000

16 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Put into perspective 330,000,000 people and do the math.

 

Not opening the economy, such as what Thailand is doing, will have adverse effects

Thailand is open economy. No lockdown now. 

Everything open now. 

Because we control covid already. No infection 78 day already. 

 

 

Only not open to foreigners not want quarantine. If they bring covid again must close again. 

Sensible. Not loons.

9 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Only not open to foreigners not want quarantine. If they bring covid again must close again. 

Sensible. Not loons.

 

For some reason, a lot of folks here seem to paint these issues as EITHER OR....

 

EITHER we reopen the economy full blast (and the people saying this typically mean with few if any public health precautions), which would encourage the virus and its impacts to grow and spread.

 

OR we have to shut and lock everything down, along with public health precautions, in order to prevent the virus from spreading and protect people's health.

 

But it's NOT an either-or situation and that presents false choices. You CAN reopen the economy and have people working IF you combine that with sensible public health measures that the public/citizens actually follow and are enforced by the government.

 

Thailand's problem, more than most countries, is a relatively large part of its economy is related to tourism and foreign tourists (who would be coming from more heavily virus impacted areas). Thus the shutdown of regular international flights and all the fallout from that.

 

But what's never been explained here, AFAIK, is why the Thai government hasn't moved to more substantially expand the current ASQ program (especially with all the current hotels sitting empty or closed, likely begging for business), and thus allow anyone who wants to come in to do so, provided they CV test before traveling and then do the 14-day quarantine here....

 

Supposedly, there's large backlogs of various folks in various categories looking and willing to come back into Thailand under those conditions. But the government for some reason seems to be doling out ASQ permissions with an eyedropper... Why, when expanding that program, properly run, would help a lot of Thai employees and the economy in general, and shouldn't harm public health in any significant way?

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Yinn said:

 

 

 

 

 

There's a reason why USA has the worst case in the world, they don't like being told what to do.

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by warcy

52 minutes ago, Yinn said:

All countrys most the people not tested.

thailand do 750,000 test already.

More than most countries. More than New Zealand. 

 

If have lot of positive will test more.

Every test the last 78 days is negative. 

 

Which country? 

 

You test yet?

Why not?

 

Test not help if you have covid already. Better wear mask, stay home, not get it.

 

Good luck

Thailand has covid, there have been imported cases from Thailand in other countries lately.

New Zealand has a population of less than 5millions, Thailand 70 millions so the testing rate/population is much higher.

 

Stay home?Lol you must be kidding me, the virus is not going away anytime soon and most countries are realizing we just have to live with it.

 

Edited August 12, 20205 yr by Anton9

5 minutes ago, warcy said:

 

There's a reason why USA has the worst case in the world, they don't like being told what to do.

There's a reason if USA is one of the world superpowers and Thailand is Thailand.

57 minutes ago, Yinn said:

All countrys most the people not tested.

thailand do 750,000 test already.

More than most countries. More than New Zealand. 

 

If have lot of positive will test more.

Every test the last 78 days is negative. 

 

Which country? 

 

You test yet?

Why not?

 

Test not help if you have covid already. Better wear mask, stay home, not get it.

 

Good luck

The UK has tested about 15 million people compared to Thailands 3/4 of 1 million

Little wonder they have so few recorded covid-19 cases and deaths

I'm in Rayong. I repeat not one person i know or any that they know have been tested.

In the Issans villages they burn the dead in between 3 to 5 days and very few post mortems are carried out

It's a pity that those in government here don't pay more attention to road deaths, which even according to the Thai authorities are among the worse if not the worse in the world.

Why are the Thai authorities paying no attention what so ever about the amount of roads in Thailand year after year.?

17 hours ago, steven100 said:

COVID19 has caused an absolute world disaster. It has exasperated the suffering of the poor.

It has expedited the suffering of the lower class and middle class income earners.

It has cost millions upon millions of jobs worldwide.

It has or will cause families to lose homes, cars and other worldly possessions.

As confirmed, this disaster was initiated & instigated by China as such they are responsible for all of the above.

That’s one way to view the pandemic; I think that covid-19 has caused sickness and death. What you described is caused by the lockdowns shutting down the economy. Past pandemics have not devastated global economy in this manner.