Democrat Joe Biden chooses U.S. Senator Kamala Harris for White House running mate

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I was under the impression that the presser, actually a teacher's roundtable, was held after Reade made her allegation.  You are correct and my mistake.  So now you all know that I will admit to being in error.  Hopefully there will be some reciprocity.  I've yet to hear a lib here admit they're wrong on any point.  It's not difficult to do.  In any case, you all now know me to be a stand up guy.  

 

Never thought you weren't a stand up guy and always appreciate our debates. I too am happy to admit my mistakes but unlike yourself, I've never made one ???? (Only joking of course, I have made a mistake..........It was 1987. A Tuesday if I recall).

 

Joking, joking aside..........I appreciate the candour and of course it will be reciprocated.....if ever neccessary.

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Reading a few posts down Morch is correct . . . I can't speak for others but he is correct in my case.  I wouldn't trust fact checkers as far as I could throw them.  True, Politico has and does publish articles objectively without attempting to use selective facts and innuendo to spin a narrative or lead the reader to a predetermined conclusion.  Yet from my experience, especially in this TV sub-forum, I don't think I've ever seen a conservative link to a Politico article to support their viewpoint, other than perhaps to use a Politco article as a contrarian viewpoint.  But they are used frequently by the left here.  So I certainly question the claim that they're balanced.  Far, far left?  In my opinion they've gone there.

 

Not to go off topic but just this past week Dan Bongino had an article taken down from his FaceBook page by their fact checkers for containing false information, specifically a verbatim Nancy Pelosi quote.  Well, I can't rightly remember whether it was taken down or a comment appended to his article by FaceBook.  In any case, he produced Pelosi's quote both in print from a well known MSM outlet and the actual video of Pelosi mouthing the words.  No, I don't trust fact checkers.  There's too much crookedness in the world to hand them my blind trust on important issues.

Interesting thought process there Tippaporn.

So you haven't 'seen a conservative link to a Politico article to support their viewpoint, other than perhaps to use a Politco article as a contrarian viewpoint.  But they are used frequently by the left here' but rather than assume that this is because the conservative viewpoint is often wrong and is why Politico doesn't support it, and the left viewpoint is invariably correct, you don't question the conservative viewpoint being wrong, but instead double down and 'question the claim that they're (Politico) are balanced'. 

 

That's some mental gymnastics right there. 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[Smigel]

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

Perhaps your best friend trump should follow your advice about making it personal without even pretending to start with policies.

Is this the first election campaign you have ever followed. 

I hope what I'm about to say doesn't give you nightmares or send you into a spiral of depression you will never get out of. 

But, whenever candidate's face off against each other, or try to win points in a debate. 

They attack their opponent verbally, either on their record, lack of experience, character or transgressions.

Its called "Politics". Grow up.! 

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Smigel said:

Is this the first election campaign you have ever followed. 

I hope what I'm about to say doesn't give you nightmares or send you into a spiral of depression you will never get out of. 

But, whenever candidate's face off against each other, or try to win points in a debate. 

They attack their opponent verbally, either on their record, lack of experience, character or transgressions.

Its called "Politics". Grow up.! 

Which is not related to the name calling the poster you replied to referred to. And yes, agree, that is childish.

[MajarTheLion]

Kamala Harris worked to keep prisoners in prison as slave labor. Donald Trump freed non-violent prisoners. The details on both on this issue don't bode well for Kamala Harris. In fact, this issue reminds me of how Tulsi Gabbard singlehandedly took Kamala Harris out of the primary with her thorough beat down of Harris and her actions as CA Attorney General.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-takes-aim-sen-kamala-harris/story?id=64698118

 

In fact, there is a specific black man who was kept in prison, despite being innocent, because of Kamala Harris. Read up on Jamal Truelove, who got totally screwed by Kamala Harris' thug prosecutors before and after his trial. He was later awarded an 8-figure settlement for what Kamala Harris did to him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705019611/san-francisco-to-pay-13-1-million-to-man-framed-by-police-for-murder

[Credo]

13 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kamala Harris worked to keep prisoners in prison as slave labor. Donald Trump freed non-violent prisoners. The details on both on this issue don't bode well for Kamala Harris. In fact, this issue reminds me of how Tulsi Gabbard singlehandedly took Kamala Harris out of the primary with her thorough beat down of Harris and her actions as CA Attorney General.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-takes-aim-sen-kamala-harris/story?id=64698118

 

In fact, there is a specific black man who was kept in prison, despite being innocent, because of Kamala Harris. Read up on Jamal Truelove, who got totally screwed by Kamala Harris' thug prosecutors before and after his trial. He was later awarded an 8-figure settlement for what Kamala Harris did to him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705019611/san-francisco-to-pay-13-1-million-to-man-framed-by-police-for-murder

Personally, I am glad that they picked someone who follows the law and is tough on criminals whether she agrees with the law or not.  That will be a welcome change from the current situation of letting some go and persecuting others.   

 

[Sujo]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

OK. I'm someone that votes on the bigger picture. I look at the policies and support whomever is closest to what I want. I don't need to go into them in detail, but they are a mix of socialist and conservative policies eg I'm for free universal health care and serious punishment for serious criminals ie life means life in prison till die there, but against liberal immigration policies and dole without working for it.

I supported Bernie as I thought he wanted to stick it to the banks and the very rich. I support Trump on immigration, small government, law and order and a strong military. The actual pick for the Dems isn't going to bring in universal health care and they are not going to do any of the other things I want other than allow abortion, so I don't support them. Given that Trump is the only conservative option he'd get my vote. If Biden came out and said he'd limit immigration, support law and order against the rioters, really tax the very rich and jail the bankers responsible for sub prime mortgages I'd probably support him

Far as personalities, I don't care much what they do in their personal lives, and I assume that they all lie.

 

BTW, I actually liked Obama- very personable man, but his health care bill was far short of universal and kept the insurance companies, and he was way too lenient on the bankers. I also thought his stance on Iran was wrong. If he'd kept his promise to eliminate Guantanamo I'd have had more respect for him.

Why would you agree with life in jail meaning life. Just shoot them and be done with it.

 

trump doesnt determine abortion rights.

 

trump has weakened law and order and national security.

 

dems are not for open borders, never have been.

 

sticking it to the rich? Hows the rich tax cuts going.

 

if you liked obamacare but it didnt go far enough then you should blame repubs who stalled it and refused to change it.

 

closing guantanamo would have been good but he wanted to do it legally, which he was not allowed to do.

 

so basically everything you wanted is what the dems want, but you decided to vote for trump who has promised the world to you but has done zero of what you wanted. Yet you will swallow his lies and vote for him again.

 

do tell, what are the policies of trump that he has done.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Smigel said:

Is this the first election campaign you have ever followed. 

I hope what I'm about to say doesn't give you nightmares or send you into a spiral of depression you will never get out of. 

But, whenever candidate's face off against each other, or try to win points in a debate. 

They attack their opponent verbally, either on their record, lack of experience, character or transgressions.

Its called "Politics". Grow up.! 

But they havent. Theyve gone directly to race and birtherism, same thing really.

 

so whats her policies that you disagree with?

[Sujo]

40 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Kamala Harris worked to keep prisoners in prison as slave labor. Donald Trump freed non-violent prisoners. The details on both on this issue don't bode well for Kamala Harris. In fact, this issue reminds me of how Tulsi Gabbard singlehandedly took Kamala Harris out of the primary with her thorough beat down of Harris and her actions as CA Attorney General.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-tulsi-gabbard-takes-aim-sen-kamala-harris/story?id=64698118

 

In fact, there is a specific black man who was kept in prison, despite being innocent, because of Kamala Harris. Read up on Jamal Truelove, who got totally screwed by Kamala Harris' thug prosecutors before and after his trial. He was later awarded an 8-figure settlement for what Kamala Harris did to him.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/20/705019611/san-francisco-to-pay-13-1-million-to-man-framed-by-police-for-murder

So harris was a law and order person and trump lets them out.

 

you blame harris for police framing someone and prosecutors believing them? Which wasnt harris.

 

wow trump and barr must be real bad for you.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Sujo

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Opl said:

I didn't ask you anything personal, you alone brought up the details of your vote,  and FYI, here are Bernie's :

 Bernie defends Harris 

"“A lot of my supporters are not enthusiastic about Joe Biden. You know why? I ran against Joe Biden,” Sanders said. “But I think there is overwhelming understanding that Donald Trump must be defeated, Biden must be elected. And that the day after he's elected we're going to do everything we can to create a government that works for all of us and not the 1 percent and wealthy campaign contributors.”

Sanders will speak Monday night in support of the Biden ticket at the Democratic National Convention.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/16/sanders-harris-vice-president-396150

All of which has nothing to do with anything I said. I do not care whom Bernie supports.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, simple1 said:

Can you vote in the US elections, or are you just fantasising?

Can you comprehend what I wrote?

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Morch said:

 

So Trump is not beholden to the same standards as anonymous posters, yet ought to be respected for the office he holds. Cute.

?????????????????????

One respects the position and not necessarily the person.

Same as in the military- one salutes the rank and not the officer.

[simple1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Can you comprehend what I wrote?

Yes, you're fantasying, but wanted to ensure members didn't misunderstand you, so...

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Sujo said:

Why would you agree with life in jail meaning life. Just shoot them and be done with it.

 

trump doesnt determine abortion rights.

 

trump has weakened law and order and national security.

 

dems are not for open borders, never have been.

 

sticking it to the rich? Hows the rich tax cuts going.

 

if you liked obamacare but it didnt go far enough then you should blame repubs who stalled it and refused to change it.

 

closing guantanamo would have been good but he wanted to do it legally, which he was not allowed to do.

 

so basically everything you wanted is what the dems want, but you decided to vote for trump who has promised the world to you but has done zero of what you wanted. Yet you will swallow his lies and vote for him again.

 

do tell, what are the policies of trump that he has done.

LOL.

 

I don't agree with the death penalty due to the number of innocents convicted of capital crimes. They deserve the chance to get out alive.

 

I never said Trump did determine abortion rights- I said the Dems support abortion. Did you even read what I said properly?

 

trump has weakened law and order and national security.

Are you claiming the Dems are strong on law and order?

 

dems are not for open borders, never have been.

 

Where did I say Trump sticks it to the rich? I said I thought Bernie would. Did you even read what I wrote?

 

I didn't like Obamacare at all, as it kept the insurance companies. I said nothing about "it didn't go far enough". Did you even read what I wrote?

 

If he couldn't close Guantanamo he shouldn't have promised to do so.

 

so basically everything you wanted is what the dems want,

The only thing the Dems want that I want is abortion. Did you not understand what I wrote?

 

do tell, what are the policies of trump that he has done.

Had he only brought 2 conservative justices to SCOTUS that would be worth voting for him. He took the US out of the Trans Pacific treaty and stuck it to Iran and a bit to China- all good.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Yes, you're fantasying, but wanted to ensure members didn't misunderstand you, so...

I'm sure other posters understand what "Had I been able to" means without you having to explain it.

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'm sure other posters understand what "Had I been able to" means without you having to explain it.

Not necessarily - somewhat ambiguous - but not important - wanted to see your reaction Mr i'm not a trump supporter.???? Please forgive me 

Edited August 18, 2020 by simple1

[simple1]

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

He took the US out of the Trans Pacific treaty and stuck it to Iran and a bit to China- all good.

History will review if good or not, for the moment I suggest the jury is out.

 

Personally, some others also have the same POV, withdrawal from TPP was a strategic error of judgement as it handed the advantage to China

[Jingthing]

The DNC "convention" to nominate Biden-Harris has started.

Watch it live for four nights (mornings from 8 a.m. here).

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

 

The major speeches will all be live except for Michelle Obama who for some reason will be showing her taped speech. 

 

 

[Smigel]

11 hours ago, Sujo said:

But they havent. Theyve gone directly to race and birtherism, same thing really.

 

so whats her policies that you disagree with?

My opposition is not necessarily consigned to Kamala Harris, obviously she has some policies / points of view, that I could support. 

My opposition is more to the ideology / politics of the party of which she is a proponent of. 

I come from a conservative/ libertarian point of view and believe in free market economy, low taxation, small government, strong borders, freedom of speech, expression and religion. The rule of law and patriotism (to a certain extent) . 

I do Not support / accept state ownership, High taxation, cancel culture, marxism/ communism/ globalism, open borders, Nanny state interference, man made climate change, Anarchy, and identity politics. 

To be on the left of the political divide, seems to me to be a particularly joyless existence. They see no fun in anything, all that self loathing and insistence that any opinion that they do not subscribe to must be shut down and silenced, if not eliminated. 

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Edited August 18, 2020 by Scott
Troll remark

[Sujo]

15 minutes ago, Smigel said:

 

As for the ridiculous frothing at the mouth, Trump derangement syndrome, don't get me started. 

Just a word of advice, you may not know but using tds can get you a holiday.

[Scott]

One post has been edited.  Do not use the term TDS.   It's trolling and inflammatory.  Doing so is going to earn suspensions.  

[johnnybangkok]

50 minutes ago, Smigel said:

My opposition is not necessarily consigned to Kamala Harris, obviously she has some policies / points of view, that I could support. 

My opposition is more to the ideology / politics of the party of which she is a proponent of. 

I come from a conservative/ libertarian point of view and believe in free market economy, low taxation, small government, strong borders, freedom of speech, expression and religion. The rule of law and patriotism (to a certain extent) . 

I do Not support / accept state ownership, High taxation, cancel culture, marxism/ communism/ globalism, open borders, Nanny state interference, man made climate change, Anarchy, and identity politics. 

To be on the left of the political divide, seems to me to be a particularly joyless existence. They see no fun in anything, all that self loathing and insistence that any opinion that they do not subscribe to must be shut down and silenced, if not eliminated. 

*Removed*

You'll be happy to hear that Dems believe in:-

A free market economy (always have), low taxation (for the masses and higher taxation for those that can afford it), small government (but not to the extent where government cannot function as has been demonstrated by Trump gutting agencies to the detriment of the American people), strong borders (yes they believe this too, they just don't believe that everyone is a rapist or a terrorist and you should lock up children), freedom of speech, expression and religion (never been in question). The rule of law (again name a Dem who doesn't) and patriotism (too much as far as I can see).

 

So the good news is you can now vote Democrat and still know you're ideals are untouched. 

[Tagged]

MIchelle Obama Respect! Usa need to listen to some smart and brave women to get back on track! No doubt

 

 

 

 

[Smigel]

39 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You'll be happy to hear that Dems believe in:-

A free market economy (always have), low taxation (for the masses and higher taxation for those that can afford it), small government (but not to the extent where government cannot function as has been demonstrated by Trump gutting agencies to the detriment of the American people), strong borders (yes they believe this too, they just don't believe that everyone is a rapist or a terrorist and you should lock up children), freedom of speech, expression and religion (never been in question). The rule of law (again name a Dem who doesn't) and patriotism (too much as far as I can see).

 

So the good news is you can now vote Democrat and still know you're ideals are untouched. 

No, the good news is I am not American and therefore ineligible to vote. Although if its okay for dead people and cats to vote, I don't see why I should be dis-counted. 

So the dems believe in:-

1). a free market economy.Really, then why has Trump had to de-regulate more than 80% of the regulations Obama straddled business with, to allow companies to thrive and grow. Particularly new businesses. 

2). Low taxation. Then why are people leaving california, New York and other dem run states and relocating in states like texas in their droves. Because they are sick of high regulation  high taxation, high crime mismanagement. 

3). Freedom of speech. You cannot reasonably claim the dems are proponents of free speech surely. Are you aware of cancel culture? Whereby people have lost their jobs and had their lives destroyed simply for expressing an opinion. 

Let me give you a clue, the people driving this agenda are not conservatives. 

4). The rule of law and patriotism. Again, you're pulling my chain yeah.! You must be. 

Try watching some video on the riots, looting and violence of the past 80 days. Get back to me with the number of people you see, wearing red maga hats carrying out the mayhem. 

[Morch]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

?????????????????????

One respects the position and not necessarily the person.

Same as in the military- one salutes the rank and not the officer.

 

Civilians are not soldiers. No similar demands and restrictions. What Trump supporters claim is that, de facto, Trump ought to be respected for the office he holds, regardless of his character, actions, style and whatever. How do you suggest a separation of disrespect, as it were, would be possible under such a world view?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Smigel said:

No, the good news is I am not American and therefore ineligible to vote. Although if its okay for dead people and cats to vote, I don't see why I should be dis-counted. 

So the dems believe in:-

1). a free market economy.Really, then why has Trump had to de-regulate more than 80% of the regulations Obama straddled business with, to allow companies to thrive and grow. Particularly new businesses. 

2). Low taxation. Then why are people leaving california, New York and other dem run states and relocating in states like texas in their droves. Because they are sick of high regulation  high taxation, high crime mismanagement. 

3). Freedom of speech. You cannot reasonably claim the dems are proponents of free speech surely. Are you aware of cancel culture? Whereby people have lost their jobs and had their lives destroyed simply for expressing an opinion. 

Let me give you a clue, the people driving this agenda are not conservatives. 

4). The rule of law and patriotism. Again, you're pulling my chain yeah.! You must be. 

Try watching some video on the riots, looting and violence of the past 80 days. Get back to me with the number of people you see, wearing red maga hats carrying out the mayhem. 

Cherry picking much? Ok, I'll bite.

 

1). a free market economy.Really, then why has Trump had to de-regulate more than 80% of the regulations Obama straddled business with, to allow companies to thrive and grow. Particularly new businesses. 

After inheriting a fantastic economy from a Democratic government (who in turn inherited an economy on it's knees from a GOP government), Trump set about de-regulating to the detriment of the envornonment, workers rights and workers themselves. Trump was never interested in helping new business or the common man; he's only interested in helping big business make even more money for their own benefit. And what happened to that trickle down economy that every GOP government since Reagan has attempted to espouse? Did it trickle down or as usual, gush up?

 

2). Low taxation. Then why are people leaving california, New York and other dem run states and relocating in states like texas in their droves. Because they are sick of high regulation  high taxation, high crime mismanagement  

Let them. Rich people have that chance to pick up and go wherever they want. Not so for the middle and working class who have little or no choice but to eek out a living wherever they are now. And why are you defending low taxation for the super wealthy? There are billionaires and there's the gulible. Check your bank balance to see which one you are.

 

3). Freedom of speech. You cannot reasonably claim the dems are proponents of free speech surely. Are you aware of cancel culture? Whereby people have lost their jobs and had their lives destroyed simply for expressing an opinion. 

Let me give you a clue, the people driving this agenda are not conservatives. 

If your opinion is so abhorant that whole industries, large corporations and people in their millions come out against it, perhaps you should check your opinion.

 

4). The rule of law and patriotism. Again, you're pulling my chain yeah.! You must be. 

Try watching some video on the riots, looting and violence of the past 80 days. Get back to me with the number of people you see, wearing red maga hats carrying out the mayhem. 

No one, to include myself, other so called liberals on this site, Dem Governors, Congressmen, Senators or Mayors are condoning the actions of miscreants and hooligans who are rioting or looting. GOP and the right don't have a moral standing over this. You can't just sit there and say none is wearing a maga-hat so therefore it must be a Dem thing; that's gaslighting at best, complete misdirection at worse. A VERY small minority are taking advantage of predominately peaceful protests to create chaos, but as usual, it will be brought under control UNLESS a racist POTUS decides to throw more gas on the fire. And just remember who is ultimately in charge whilst this is all happening. You must be one of the only people in history who is blaming the people on the sidelines when all the resonsibility lies with the people on the field.

 

America has a chance to get away from the chaos and mismanagement of President who is in so far over his head it's not funny. Biden and Harris offer the opportunity for the Dems to once again save a nation ravaged by a GOP government who's only interest lies with their corporate sponsors and fellow billionaires. If you can't see that then I suggest you look a little harder than you seem to be doing right now and offer something more than what you've done here as I see very little of your 'libertarian' credentials and far too much of your 'conservative' ones.   

 

 

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering posts have been removed:

 

Democrat Joe Biden chooses U.S. Senator Kamala Harris for White House running mate

[Pattaya Spotter]

Curious Joe Biden would choose as a running mate a woman who got her start in politics by having an affair with a married man...but I guess it isn't when you know that he had an affair with his current wife, Jill Biden, when she was still married to her first husband, Bill Stevenson. As someone wise once said, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

Kamala Harris launched political career with $120K 'patronage' job from boyfriend Willie Brown...

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/kamala-harris-launched-political-career-with-120k-patronage-job-from-boyfriend-willie-brown

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter
Clarity

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

c

 

That's how covfefes start....

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Curious Joe Biden would choose as a running mate a woman who got her start in politics by having an affair with a married man...but I guess it isn't when you know that he had an affair with his current wife, Jill Biden, when she was still married to her first husband, Bill Stevenson. As someone wise once said, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

Kamala Harris launched political career with $120K 'patronage' job from boyfriend Willie Brown...

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/kamala-harris-launched-political-career-with-120k-patronage-job-from-boyfriend-willie-brown

 

Really? You’re going to try the morality card when w supporting Trump. 
best of luck with that.