1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

That works both ways, doesn't it?

Not in this case, where you point out how others will perceive your opinion.

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Trumps values are not American values. If anything they are the reverse.

And 'globelist friends'? Really? And just exactly who might they be?

(Anyone want to take a bet he mentioned Soros?)

My values are in sink with Trump's and I'm American. Soros want to influence American and world affairs and is a world scourge. Globalism made sense after WWII when America single handedly help rebuilt world economies. However, it time for other countries to stand on their own and not expect handouts.

An argumentative troll post as well as a reply have been removed.

 

Please discuss the subject matter, and leave personal comments about other members out of the discussion.

38 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

That article contradicts itself within the first two paragraphs. It starts by saying that the "Democratic Party" was setting rules about criticising Harris but then let's slip that it was actually something put out by an "ad hoc group of Democratic operatives."

 

So in fact, the article itself makes it clear that it's not the actual Democratic Party doing this, just an unofficial grouping of some people who also happen to be Democrats.

LOL  Yes, I'm 100% certain there's no connection.  To be fair I wouldn't know.  Given the shadiness of the political world I wouldn't be the least surprised if she was indeed accurate.  Perhaps the author has evidence of a connection which she failed to elaborate on?  Possibly.  Would you know?  Doubtful.  Can you verify?  Doubtful.  Personally, I read what she wrote, took note, but I'll reserve judgment of a connection until I see further evidence.  I feel that's a better decision than to jump to a forgone conclusion without having any knowledge at all.

3 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

My values are in sink with Trump's and I'm American. Soros want to influence American and world affairs and is a world scourge. Globalism made sense after WWII when America single handedly help rebuilt world economies. However, it time for other countries to stand on their own and not expect handouts.

Soros? Tick.

And the phrase is 'in sync'. Although yours actually might be down the sink.

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Not in this case, where you point out how others will perceive your opinion.

Thanks for the lesson.

5 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

My values are in sink with Trump's and I'm American. Soros want to influence American and world affairs and is a world scourge. Globalism made sense after WWII when America single handedly help rebuilt world economies. However, it time for other countries to stand on their own and not expect handouts.

"Soros" as argument isn't a US Values signature, it's a supremacist one  

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

You demean your own standing by ignoring important points such as who wrote it and why is that person cherry picking the parts they want? It is important to know who is saying what and it's even more important to see the whole memo before understanding the whole context. From the VERY little that was quoted, it seems all the memo asks is to refrain from sexist and racist aspects when refering to Harris. Now I know this may seem like some sort of dictate for your average Trump fan but many would simply observe this as common decency which shouldn't have to be pointed out, but obviously in these times and under this presidency, obviously does.

Most all of us observe the entire article for its value. But .. I laugh good seeing in his post "Just an opinion hit piece.   When inconvenient facts". Please notify me when opinions become facts! LOL 

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL  Yes, I'm 100% certain there's no connection.  To be fair I wouldn't know.  Given the shadiness of the political world I wouldn't be the least surprised if she was indeed accurate.  Perhaps the author has evidence of a connection which she failed to elaborate on?  Possibly.  Would you know?  Doubtful.  Can you verify?  Doubtful.  Personally, I read what she wrote, took note, but I'll reserve judgment of a connection until I see further evidence.  I feel that's a better decision than to jump to a forgone conclusion without having any knowledge at all.

So you read it, it was a Nothing burger and your response is to wait until the next Nothing burger shows up.

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Here's the full letter.

 

We Have Her Back - Letter To The Media

 

The letter is from a link provided in this article:

 

Fox News - Group called 'We Have Her Back' warns media against 'sexist' or 'racist' coverage of Biden VP pick

 

Or if you prefer a liberal point of view:

 

Los Angeles Times - Why celebrities are declaring ‘We have her back’ about Kamala Harris

 

If you expect me to believe that this memo from an ad hoc organization which is promoted by the likes of Valerie Jarrett, Hillary Clinton and other political activists isn't going to attempt to muzzle valid criticism then you're mistaken.  On it's face it may seem noble, and if it truly was noble I would support it, but these days accusations of sexism and racism labels are thrown around liberally (pun intended) and unjustly all too often.  I made a comment earlier in one thread or another in which I called Harris out as a political opportunist.  Even though I consider many people, male and female, to be political opportunists I have no doubt that that would earn me the label of sexist by this group.  Unjustly so.

 

Sorry if I'm not as naive as you appear to be on this issue.

First of all thank you for posting the full letter.

Secondly, I don't see the joining of the dots you and the author are doing that asserts 'Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told'. The letter is very clearly saying that the media have done a good job recently in keeping sexist and racist commentaries away from their views on women and black people and all I read is an urge to keep it that way.

A good and stable free press should hold all politicians to account for their policies and past misdemenours and Kamala should be no different. Howver, in the past women (Clinton for example) and black people (Obama for example) have been held to a different standard that is thinly veiled sexism and racism. The letter is just urging the press to keep to the issues at hand and not fall into these old tropes. I see nothing to suggest that ANY criticism of Kamala will be seen as sexist or racist just by definition of it being criticism.

The author is taking many leaps forward and you in turn are obviously trying to provoke a narrative that is simply not there.

2/10 for effort. We will expect more of you in the future.   

On 8/13/2020 at 8:39 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Implicit in that nonsense post and all posts of its ilk is the acceptance Biden is going to win the election. 

I have said that it is far more likely now due to Covid. Biden stays hidden, mouth shut, rallies curtailed, economy down the toilet all a God-send for Biden.

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

I have said that it is far more likely now due to Covid. Biden stays hidden, mouth shut, rallies curtailed, economy down the toilet all a God-send for Biden.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

 

Napolean

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Look away folks, nothing to see here.  Just an opinion hit piece.  LOL  When inconvenient facts come out just bury your head in the sand.

Would the 'facts' not be to show the memo and let us all make up our own mind ?

27 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Most all of us observe the entire article for its value. But .. I laugh good seeing in his post "Just an opinion hit piece.   When inconvenient facts". Please notify me when opinions become facts! LOL 

I thought you observed (read?) the entire article?  If you had, as you claim, then you would have recognized that the piece was not purely opinion but contained facts as well.  The opinion revolved around the facts she presented.  Wasn't that obvious?

37 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Soros? Tick.

And the phrase is 'in sync'. Although yours actually might be down the sink.

Or yours. Our opinions vary but we both have a right to express them.

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you read it, it was a Nothing burger and your response is to wait until the next Nothing burger shows up.

LOL, I can always count on you, Chomper, to never address the actual content of a post but to merely provide meaningless commentary.

35 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

First of all thank you for posting the full letter.

Secondly, I don't see the joining of the dots you and the author are doing that asserts 'Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told'. The letter is very clearly saying that the media have done a good job recently in keeping sexist and racist commentaries away from their views on women and black people and all I read is an urge to keep it that way.

A good and stable free press should hold all politicians to account for their policies and past misdemenours and Kamala should be no different. Howver, in the past women (Clinton for example) and black people (Obama for example) have been held to a different standard that is thinly veiled sexism and racism. The letter is just urging the press to keep to the issues at hand and not fall into these old tropes. I see nothing to suggest that ANY criticism of Kamala will be seen as sexist or racist just by definition of it being criticism.

The author is taking many leaps forward and you in turn are obviously trying to provoke a narrative that is simply not there.

2/10 for effort. We will expect more of you in the future.   

Plus there is no connection with the Democratic party or the biden-harris campaign, as was claimed earlier.

On 8/12/2020 at 1:56 AM, Mama Noodle said:

Most people understand it just fine. The problem they have is how to pay for it. I’m open to it as long as the funding comes from places that done include raping my accounts in taxes while we spend trillions on foreign wars and foreign aid to countries who hate us. 

Most of the wars if not all you invited yourselves you could sum it up in 3 letters OIL no oil no American interest.

The benefactors companies like Halliburton etc and do not need to dig too deep to see which politicians gain monetary wise from such conflicts.

So yes I’m sure you could have fantastic health care at a cheaper price if no special interest lobby groups for pharma etc.

All voters should check how there members of Congress and senate vote on many issues (if Mitch allows it to go to a vote)

Afterwards vote to keep your representatives in a job or kick them out be they R D or independent only then you will get a true democracy that acts for the people instead of self interest 

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

OK enough of this. Please provide concrete evidence to prove Trump is a racist. His gargantuan efforts to include black workers in the economic boom was incredible. Those jobs, we remember, we NEVER coming back, yet Trump brought them back. I have never heard Trump speak ill of blacks, unlike Biden who recently claimed blacks are not "real blacks" if they didn't vote for him, and that black culture has no diversity compared to other ethnicities such as Latinos. Both howling examples of racism. Trump is not a racist, and your repeated misinformation without credible supporting evidence is becoming very silly. You don't like him, fine. But stop making up lies, as per the forum rules. TY.

 Thank you My head was spinnin ! 

 If one person makes a claim such as claiming  Mr. Trump or Mr. Biden are racist they should always back it up with  supporting evidence 

 

8 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

StevenL specializes in Counter Culture approach. If you don't agree with him, he quickly attacks. It's actually predictable and amusing. 

Back on subject, I feel KH will be an asset to Trump/Pence. She won't be able to handle scrutiny and won't help nationally. Additionally she not likeable. Biden will continue his basement hibernation which is really strange. Party leaders must have significant concerns to keep him in hiding. 

As oppossed to the highly likeable Pence? I know what you mean, that man is a laugh a minute.

3 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

Most of the wars if not all you invited yourselves you could sum it up in 3 letters OIL no oil no American interest.

The benefactors companies like Halliburton etc and do not need to dig too deep to see which politicians gain monetary wise from such conflicts.

So yes I’m sure you could have fantastic health care at a cheaper price if no special interest lobby groups for pharma etc.

All voters should check how there members of Congress and senate vote on many issues (if Mitch allows it to go to a vote)

Afterwards vote to keep your representatives in a job or kick them out be they R D or independent only then you will get a true democracy that acts for the people instead of self interest 

And your girl Nancy and sidekick Chuck want 3 trillion dollars as stimulus aid. Much going to their favorite pork projects. I believe that the US needs to extract itself from foreign conflicts and let others settle things themselves. If they are unfriendly to us we can refuse to do business or place sanctions, like Iran. Its no problem since the US is moving to self reliance under Trump.

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Thank you My head was spinnin ! 

 If one person makes a claim such as claiming  Mr. Trump or Mr. Biden are racist they should always back it up with  supporting evidence 

 

See the posts made, lots of evidence given.

31 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

First of all thank you for posting the full letter.

Secondly, I don't see the joining of the dots you and the author are doing that asserts 'Any criticism of the expected woman will be considered racist and sexist, we are told'. The letter is very clearly saying that the media have done a good job recently in keeping sexist and racist commentaries away from their views on women and black people and all I read is an urge to keep it that way.

A good and stable free press should hold all politicians to account for their policies and past misdemenours and Kamala should be no different. Howver, in the past women (Clinton for example) and black people (Obama for example) have been held to a different standard that is thinly veiled sexism and racism. The letter is just urging the press to keep to the issues at hand and not fall into these old tropes. I see nothing to suggest that ANY criticism of Kamala will be seen as sexist or racist just by definition of it being criticism.

The author is taking many leaps forward and you in turn are obviously trying to provoke a narrative that is simply not there.

2/10 for effort. We will expect more of you in the future.   

If you wish to take this memo at face value then that is your right.  Considering some of the names associated with this memo, and the fact that some of the people behind the memo are known political operatives, then I would feel foolish to accept the intention behind the memo at face value.  We're dealing with the political world and I certainly understand that things are rarely what they appear to be, or that motivations given are of a pure and angelic nature.  I admit to holding a jaded view of the political world.  And if Hillary Clinton is involved then I would bank on my suspicions that there's more here than meets the eye.

 

And I will again make important mention of the fact that the practice of accusing people of being racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc., for political purposes and otherwise has reached absurd levels.  Combine it all and I can certainly see this noble (if that's what it truly is) attempt being co-opted for not so virtuous ends . . . like muzzling bona fide opinion or criticism by declaring it righteously, undisputedly and loudly as <whatever label>.

 

Is that so difficult to understand?

40 minutes ago, rvaviator said:

Would the 'facts' not be to show the memo and let us all make up our own mind ?

Pay attention.  I posted it on the previous page.

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Plus there is no connection with the Democratic party or the biden-harris campaign, as was claimed earlier.

None that you know of.  Why the propensity to draw conclusions when you cannot know for certain?

14 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

Most of the wars if not all you invited yourselves you could sum it up in 3 letters OIL no oil no American interest.

The benefactors companies like Halliburton etc and do not need to dig too deep to see which politicians gain monetary wise from such conflicts.

So yes I’m sure you could have fantastic health care at a cheaper price if no special interest lobby groups for pharma etc.

All voters should check how there members of Congress and senate vote on many issues (if Mitch allows it to go to a vote)

Afterwards vote to keep your representatives in a job or kick them out be they R D or independent only then you will get a true democracy that acts for the people instead of self interest 

Your last three paragraph are OK, but your first three show a far lefty bias. BTW the things that influence health care cost are government regulation, complicated insurance bureaucracy, a big gap between payer for service and those who get care, fear of litigation, etc. When you pay for service like Thailand thing get a lot more reasonable. It's not just Big Pharma but they are part of it.  

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

None that you know of.  Why the propensity to draw conclusions when you cannot know for certain?

I can't know for sure you're not Donald Trump. Still I conclude you're not.

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

If you wish to take this memo at face value then that is your right.  Considering some of the names associated with this memo, and the fact that some of the people behind the memo are known political operatives, then I would feel foolish to accept the intention behind the memo at face value.  We're dealing with the political world and I certainly understand that things are rarely what they appear to be, or that motivations given are of a pure and angelic nature.  I admit to holding a jaded view of the political world.  And if Hillary Clinton is involved then I would bank on my suspicions that there's more here than meets the eye.

 

And I will again make important mention of the fact that the practice of accusing people of being racist, sexist, misogynistic, etc., for political purposes and otherwise has reached absurd levels.  Combine it all and I can certainly see this noble (if that's what it truly is) attempt being co-opted for not so virtuous ends . . . like muzzling bona fide opinion or criticism by declaring it righteously, undisputedly and loudly as <whatever label>.

 

Is that so difficult to understand?

It's not so difficult to understand if that's exactly what you are looking for. We all look for confirmation bias and I would suggest that's exactly what you are doing here. The memo reads exactly as it reads; in the past, black people and women in particular have been subject to sexist and racist tropes when being reported on and they are just asking that the media pays particular attention to this when it comes to Kamala. That's it. Nothing more. No hidden meaning. No hidden agenda. They aren't asking for special treatment, Just avoid these matters which they should be avoiding anyway. Please take it at face value as I'm sure that's what was meant.

So can we now move on as I feel this is being done to death.

17 minutes ago, checkered flag said:

Back on subject, I feel KH will be an asset to Trump/Pence. She won't be able to handle scrutiny and won't help nationally. Additionally she not likeable. Biden will continue his basement hibernation which is really strange. Party leaders must have significant concerns to keep him in hiding. 

"Back on subject, I feel KH will be an asset to Trump/Pence. She won't be able to handle scrutiny and won't help nationally. Additionally she not likeable."

And that was from our correspondent in the Twilight Zone but now, let's head back to the real world:

KH will be an asset to Biden. She's already handled scrutiny and helped nationally. Additionally, she's likable.

 

"Biden will continue his basement hibernation which is really strange."

You mean the winning strategy of just leaning back and let trump use his pie hole and chubby fingers to do the job for him?, Yes, reeealy strange!

 

PS. You 5th Ave trump supporters still manage to surprise me with the extent of your reality disconnect. To see you guys accusing KH of being a liar, nasty, not likable while defending one of the nastiest lying cowards ever in US politics is just priceless!

48 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL, I can always count on you, Chomper, to never address the actual content of a post but to merely provide meaningless commentary.

And that was a prime example of meaningless commentary.