Majority of Scots support independence from UK - YouGov poll

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

The general school of thought is that when the BBC ditched all notion of impartiality, it was no longer a public service but a propaganda tool that had to be financed by the people against whose interests it was working. 

Do some of the people without a TV license, still watch the BBC ?

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Do some of the people without a TV license, still watch the BBC ?

I have no idea. 

[hotandsticky]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I have no idea. 

 

 

This is your most accurate post.......................................ever.  ????

[Rookiescot]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

If these people don't have a TV fair enough. Otherwise they are just freeloaders breaking the law. Hardly anything to be proud of.

People got tired of paying for what was and remains nothing but a Westminster propaganda channel.

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I have no idea. 

They have "one person does it all nowadays"

A guy from the electric company came to my house to read the electric meter , he also read the gas meter...........................and checked to make sure that I didnt have a television in my house, myself not having a TV license 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A letter to a newspaper? Seriously? That is your response? Not a fact driven, researched article with cited evidence, but a letter? And not only any letter, a letter from Jill Stephenson, History Woman on Twitter, one of the most toxic, nasty, bile filled twitter trolls in the Britnat army? That is the best you can do? Well, at least you won't get splinters in your fingers any more because you are well and truly through the bottom of that barrel.

 

And even if every word she wrote was true (which, as per usual with that very unpleasant woman, is not) you still fail to show any link to how the SNP is behind it. 

 

So, a bit fat F from you that even Ofqal couldn't raise, I am afraid, Vogie. But I am sure you will still continue to peddle your lies in the vain hope of saving this doomed UK just as I will continue to rejoice as the numbers of independence supporters continue to rise. 

Everything as expected poo pooed by you, nationalists hate the truth, so if you are telling me that the SNP and their saltired faced tartan army actually love the English, I don't believe it, a blind man can see that is not the case. 

I believe that the rules of another indy vote might be slightly different to the one that Cameron agreed to, and quite rightly so, so don't get too comfortable in your dream world of separation from the English, you could be sorely disappointed................again.

[7by7]

15 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

There is; as part of the remit of the Home Secretary.

Is that in a formal context or the result of the devolution agreements? I have no reason for asking other than genuine curiosity. 

The Scottish Office and post of Scottish Secretary in the Westminster Parliament was created following the Acts of Union in 1707. Following the Jacobite Rebellion that post was abolished in 1746 and it's responsibilities passed to the Lord Advocate and then in 1827 to the Home Office.

 

The office and post were recreated in 1885; since when the Home Office has not held any responsibility for purely Scottish affairs.

 

With the creation of the Scottish Parliament many of the Scottish Office's responsibilities were passed to that body. This led to a limited role for the Scottish Office and it's Secretary of State; leading to criticism that it is now a part time.

 

(Source)

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

They have "one person does it all nowadays"

A guy from the electric company came to my house to read the electric meter , he also read the gas meter...........................and checked to make sure that I didnt have a television in my house, myself not having a TV license 

As far as I know, if you don't watch live TV and only use services such as Netflix or you watch DVDs etc, you do not need a license. 

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Everything as expected poo pooed by you, nationalists hate the truth, so if you are telling me that the SNP and their saltired faced tartan army actually love the English, I don't believe it, a blind man can see that is not the case. 

I believe that the rules of another indy vote might be slightly different to the one that Cameron agreed to, and quite rightly so, so don't get too comfortable in your dream world of separation from the English, you could be sorely disappointed................again.

No, my friend, we hate lies. But still you cast aspersions on more than half the adult population of my country because of your refusal to accept the truth, even although you cannot provide a shred of credible evidence to support your views - and we are supposedly the bigots? I can only assume that you simply hate Scots who can think for themselves. Fair enough, I can live with that.

[RuamRudy]

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The Scottish Office and post of Scottish Secretary in the Westminster Parliament was created following the Acts of Union in 1707. Following the Jacobite Rebellion that post was abolished in 1746 and it's responsibilities passed to the Lord Advocate and then in 1827 to the Home Office.

 

The office and post were recreated in 1885; since when the Home Office has not held any responsibility for purely Scottish affairs.

 

With the creation of the Scottish Parliament many of the Scottish Office's responsibilities were passed to that body. This led to a limited role for the Scottish Office and it's Secretary of State; leading to criticism that it is now a part time.

 

(Source)

I was more interested in the notion of a SoS for England as it seems a reasonable assumption that, in the name of equality across the country, there should be one.  I did find this on Wikipedia: Regional minister:

 

In England, regional ministers were appointed from 2007 on a part-time basis as part of Her Majesty's Government. Each minister had other departmental responsibilities, as well as specific responsibilities for one of the English regions. Their stated role was "to provide a clear sense of strategic direction for the nine English regions and to help strengthen their links with central government."^[1]

 

However is seems that the idea was scrapped in 2010 when DC moved into No. 10. 

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

If you choose to ignore the posts that I have shown to be evidence there is very little I can do about it, it just appears that the SNP must not be critised under no circumstances. 

The banner with 'England out of Scotland' is now being paraded outside Edinburgh Airport reported The Edinburgh News.

That is a bit of a distorted comment, even for you, obviously scratching for some sort of validity.

The protest had nothing to do with the Scottish government, it was aimed at tourists coming into Scotland potentially bringing the virus. 

If Scotland has a lower infection rate than England, then under English logic incoming travelers should face quarantine. Every airport in the UK thinks the quarantine is a despicable act so how do you think Edinburgh Airport was going to react.

 

Campaigners staged the demonstration in a bid to prevent coronavirus spreading across the nation.

Their appearance at the airport came on the back of weeks of campaigning for transport links between Scotland and England to be shut down.

The group has also called on the Scottish Government to close the border with England, saying it would protect Scots from the risk of increased coronavirus cases.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1325651/scotland-news-latest-coronavirus-edinburgh-airport-england-get-out-of-scotland-protest

[7by7]

8 hours ago, evadgib said:

How about the only country in the union never to have been asked & who also are the only country in Europe without a parliament?

 I, personally, am against an additional, unnecessary layer of government and civil servants which I as a tax payer would have to pay for. Which is why, had I lived in the appropriate part of the country at the time, I would have voted 'No' in 1998 and 2004.

 

The matter can easily be solved by having only English MPs voting on English only matters at Westminster. Which is effectively what happened in 2015 with the change to the standing orders.

 

See English votes for English laws

[7by7]

8 hours ago, evadgib said:

All in good time 49, in the meantime please continue giving everyone a good laugh with your continued pomposity ????

You're still desperately hoping something happens, then. 

 

I look forward to your excuses when it never happens.

[KhunFred]

I am amazed at how many Americans get into Brexit discussions. Why does it concern them?

[7by7]

7 hours ago, vogie said:

So at the moment the Captain of Scotlands football team Andy Robertson cannot vote but if there was an indy2 a foreigner languishing in a Scottish jail can vote. Does this make any sense to any sensible living person?

These are the letters currently being sent out to all Scottish households, 14 year olds can register to vote now which begs the question ...............

Andy Robertson cannot vote in Scottish elections for the simple reason that he doesn't live there! 

 

From the House of Commons library: Prisoners’ voting rights: developments since May 2015

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The Scottish Government introduced legislation in the Scottish Parliament to extend voting rights to some prisoners. The Bill was passed in February 2020 and will extend voting rights to prisoners serving sentences of 12 months or less for Scottish Parliamentary and local elections.

But that does not mean all foreigners serving a sentence in a Scottish prison of 12 months or less can vote. From Types of election, referendums, and who can vote; Scottish Parliament

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be registered to vote

be 16 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish, Commonwealth or EU citizen

be resident at an address in Scotland

not be legally excluded from voting

Not very different from a UK general election

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To vote in a general election you must:

be registered to vote

be 18 or over on the day of the election (‘polling day’)

be a British, Irish or qualifying Commonwealth citizen

be resident at an address in the UK (or a British citizen living abroad who has been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years)

not be legally excluded from voting

 

In 2014, the only foreigners who could vote were Commonwealth and EU citizens. Convicted criminals were not allowed to vote; whatever their nationality. (Source)

 

There is nothing sinister in 14 year olds being able to register in Scotland. It is for the same reason that 16 year olds can register in the rest of the UK. So they'll be on the register when they reach the appropriate age.

 

When I last worked as a poll clerk the date of birth was on the register alongside the names of anyone under the legal voting age when they registered. This was to ensure they did not vote whilst still too young. I doubt that has changed.

[7by7]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

7 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Do people in Scotland have to pay the BBC fee?

 

They do, although I was proud to read a couple of weeks ago that Scotland has the highest number per capita of homes in the UK without TV licenses.

 

Why?

 

If people in Scotland could not receive the three national BBC TV networks, the 11 national BBC radio networks and did not have access to the BBC's online services such as iPlayer, then you'd have a point.

 

But they can, arguments against the licence fee aside, why should Scots not pay like the rest of us do?

[7by7]

54 minutes ago, vogie said:

Everything as expected poo pooed by you, nationalists hate the truth, so if you are telling me that the SNP and their saltired faced tartan army actually love the English, I don't believe it, a blind man can see that is not the case. 

 Vogie, nothing you have produced to 'prove' your assertion that the SNP hate us English has actually come from the SNP nor anyone even remotely connected with the party in any official capacity.

 

None of the actions of anti English protesters you have produced reports and photographs of have been the actions of the SNP.

 

Nicola Sturgeon: No place for anti-English sentiment in the SNP

 

Although you are not alone in trying to blame the SNP: 'Racist' protesters at border were 'inspired by SNP politician's comments', says Tory MP.

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"Racist" protesters at the Scottish-English border were "inspired by comments by SNP politicians", a Tory MP has claimed.

The comments by John Lamont (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk) prompted heated exchanges in the Commons as SNP MPs rushed to condemn "anti-Englishness".

 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

As far as I know, if you don't watch live TV and only use services such as Netflix or you watch DVDs etc, you do not need a license. 

From TV licencing: 

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The law says you need to be covered by a TV Licence to:

• watch or record programmes as they’re being shown on TV, on any channel
• watch or stream programmes live on an online TV service (such as ITV Hub, All 4, YouTube, Amazon Prime Video, Now TV, Sky Go, etc.)
• download or watch any BBC programmes on iPlayer.

This applies to any device you use, including a TV, desktop computer, laptop, mobile phone, tablet, games console, digital box or DVD/VHS recorder.

 

[Rookiescot]

53 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

I am amazed at how many Americans get into Brexit discussions. Why does it concern them?

Many Americans still have family and friends in the UK. Some will just be interested in politics in general and some may have business interests in the region.

Whatever the reason they are entitled to have an opinion the same as anyone else.

It is only a very few on here who come out with stuff like "You dont live here so its nothing to do with you".

Usually after they have lost an argument or been proven wrong in some way.

[Rookiescot]

32 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Why?

 

If people in Scotland could not receive the three national BBC TV networks, the 11 national BBC radio networks and did not have access to the BBC's online services such as iPlayer, then you'd have a point.

 

But they can, arguments against the licence fee aside, why should Scots not pay like the rest of us do?

I understand your point and part of me agrees with you.

However (you knew that was coming didnt you) if you take the BBC's completely biased coverage of the independence debate then a lot of people asked themselves "Why am I paying for them to lie to me?"

[evadgib]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I understand your point and part of me agrees with you.

However (you knew that was coming didnt you) if you take the BBC's completely biased coverage of the independence debate then a lot of people asked themselves "Why am I paying for them to lie to me?"

It all of them, which is why so many people are having to look elsewhere to have any hope of understanding what is going on.

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

You're still desperately hoping something happens, then. 

 

I look forward to your excuses when it never happens.

I can feel a good gloat coming on when it does ????

Keep looking, 49 ⌛

Edited August 21, 2020 by evadgib

[RuamRudy]

33 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Why?

 

If people in Scotland could not receive the three national BBC TV networks, the 11 national BBC radio networks and did not have access to the BBC's online services such as iPlayer, then you'd have a point.

 

But they can, arguments against the licence fee aside, why should Scots not pay like the rest of us do?

I understand your point and part of me agrees with you.

However (you knew that was coming didnt you) if you take the BBC's completely biased coverage of the independence debate then a lot of people asked themselves "Why am I paying for them to lie to me?"

This is pretty much my take on it too. Previously I would defend the BBC, especially when the Tories were lambasting it and threatening its survival. I felt that the BBC stood for something good in the world, and was rightly recognised for it. 

 

And it still has very good content and makes some groundbreaking television, but its impartiality has been shredded and for that I cannot forgive it. I would support its abolition now. 

[vogie]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

No, my friend, we hate lies. But still you cast aspersions on more than half the adult population of my country because of your refusal to accept the truth, even although you cannot provide a shred of credible evidence to support your views - and we are supposedly the bigots? I can only assume that you simply hate Scots who can think for themselves. Fair enough, I can live with that.

If you hated lies why associate yourself with the Scottish Nasty Party. They are well renowned for their lies, you really need to put your listening lugs on. We have now gone from a thrice denial we are now approaching a throbble, but don't get me wrong if you actually admitted to the lies etc of the Nationalists, you wouldn't really be a true Nationalist now would you.

But but but........ Westminster.????

 

"The lies propagated by Nationalists have been developed, on an industrial scale, by the SNP’s massive propaganda machine and by a range of unscrupulous bloggers whose lies are half-way round the world before the truth has got its boots on. For example, an SNP front organisation, risibly called ‘Business for Scotland’ (BfS), has specialised in spreading lies about the UK and Scotland. 

In 2018, The Ferret Fact Service found that BfS’s claim about Scotland having a positive trade balance compared with the rest of the UK, was ‘mostly false’. BfS talks about Scotland’s ‘phoney deficit’ when any respectable economist refers to it as ‘Scotland’s deficit’. In addition, individuals have created dishonest memes that are circulated by separatist groupies. On social media these are routinely deployed to try to ‘prove’ some fallacious point that the Separatist propagandists have dreamed up to delude the masses."

 

 

https://themajority.scot/2020/08/18/the-lies-that-fan-the-flames/

 

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

If you hated lies why associate yourself with the Scottish Nasty Party. They are well renowned for their lies, you really need to put your listening lugs on. We have now gone from a thrice denial we are now approaching a throbble, but don't get me wrong if you actually admitted to the lies etc of the Nationalists, you wouldn't really be a true Nationalist now would you.

But but but........ Westminster.????

 

"The lies propagated by Nationalists have been developed, on an industrial scale, by the SNP’s massive propaganda machine and by a range of unscrupulous bloggers whose lies are half-way round the world before the truth has got its boots on. For example, an SNP front organisation, risibly called ‘Business for Scotland’ (BfS), has specialised in spreading lies about the UK and Scotland. 

In 2018, The Ferret Fact Service found that BfS’s claim about Scotland having a positive trade balance compared with the rest of the UK, was ‘mostly false’. BfS talks about Scotland’s ‘phoney deficit’ when any respectable economist refers to it as ‘Scotland’s deficit’. In addition, individuals have created dishonest memes that are circulated by separatist groupies. On social media these are routinely deployed to try to ‘prove’ some fallacious point that the Separatist propagandists have dreamed up to delude the masses."

 

 

https://themajority.scot/2020/08/18/the-lies-that-fan-the-flames/

 

Thats where you get your info from?

The majority Scotland?

ROFL. I am honestly astonished. No wait. No I'm not. It would explain a lot.

Oh and that madcap foaming at the mouth group of British nationalists needs to change its name to The minority Scotland.

 

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[7by7]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

I understand your point and part of me agrees with you.

However (you knew that was coming didnt you) if you take the BBC's completely biased coverage of the independence debate then a lot of people asked themselves "Why am I paying for them to lie to me?"

 

Are you talking about BBC Scotland or the BBC as a whole?

 

What about STV?

 

Same questions to you, @RuamRudy

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[7by7]

49 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I can feel a good gloat coming on when it does ????

Keep looking, 49 ⌛

 

Not looking; why would I when we all know what you're saying is identical to what comes out of the rear of male bovines?

 

Particularly as you have now confirmed that you wont say what this event is until after it's happened!

 

I've got last Wednesday's lottery number's if you want them. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[Rookiescot]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Are you talking about BBC Scotland or the BBC as a whole?

 

What about STV?

All three although STV tends to be slightly better. Channel 4 were doing OK for impartiality till Westminster put the thumbscrews on them.

 

As an example. https://wingsoverscotland.com/watch-closely-students/

[RuamRudy]

38 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Are you talking about BBC Scotland or the BBC as a whole?

 

What about STV?

 

Same questions to you, @RuamRudy

 

STV is a private company but it is also subject to the same rules of impartiality. I don't tend to watch terrestrial TV but I understand from Twitter that it is no better than BBC Scotland for its biased news content. 

 

I think that evadgib was correct in that either the stations have lost their objectiveness, or that we, the consumers, have become so jaundiced by what we perceive as bias, we no longer trust anyone regardless of whether they actually merit our trust. I think I read somewhere that Trump declared that one of his finest moments was to come out with the term Fake News - in doing so he has spread the seed of doubt worldwide. 

[7by7]

34 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

All three although STV tends to be slightly better. Channel 4 were doing OK for impartiality till Westminster put the thumbscrews on them.

 

As an example. https://wingsoverscotland.com/watch-closely-students/

 With respect to Mandy Rice-Davies;  Stuart Campbell would say that, wouldn't he!

 

Any unbiased comments from independent sources?