Size Of Postings

[Yohan]

(SeaVisionBurma @ Sun 2004-06-13, 16:57:00)

(Boo @ Sat 2004-06-12, 07:33:46)

ok people, i think the thread has been hijacked somewhat by yohann & others,

I couldn't agree more! Yohann its nice to think you want to share your views ............ Can you kindly limit the banter to a few concise lines please?!

Question to Mrs. Boo:

Today my total postings are 0.52% of the whole forum....

total 564 postings...

Why do you call this 'hijacked'?

yohann& others? who are the others?

And how many lines are few concise lines?

My question generally:

Is there any maximum size per posting?

Is there any minimum size per posting? (comments of trolls?)

Is there any maximum number of total postings per day? or per thread? or any limitation whatever like that?

Thank you!

Johann

[dr_Pat_Pong]

I suspect that the other members find that most of Yohann's contributions can get a bit over the top. Just my opinion.

[Yohan]

I suspect that the other members find that most of Yohann's contributions can get a bit over the top. Just my opinion.

Excuse me, Dr. Patpong, but this was not my question...

Is there in the Thaivisa-Forum any kind of limitations (setup in the software) which decides the minimum size - maximum size, or the number of posting per day, or threads? or similar something like that?

Johann

[george]

Is there in the Thaivisa-Forum any kind of limitations (setup in the software) which decides the minimum size - maximum size, or the number of posting per day, or threads? or similar something like that?

There are limits, but we use the default values for Invisonboard, and that ought to be enough.

[elsie]

Question to Mrs. Boo:

Today my total postings are 0.52% of the whole forum....

total 564 postings...

Why do you call this 'hijacked'?

I am not Boo. But I'd like to add my opinion a little bit here.

IMHO, hijacking has completely nothing to do with the number of postings. It's about the content. A good hijacker can get it done by posting one or two messages. And then, the whole conversation has turned into another story. Just my view.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

I suspect that the other members find that most of Yohann's contributions can get a bit over the top. Just my opinion.

Excuse me, Dr. Patpong, but this was not my question...

Is there in the Thaivisa-Forum any kind of limitations (setup in the software) which decides the minimum size - maximum size, or the number of posting per day, or threads? or similar something like that?

Johann

I only made a comment. Get over your aggression, you'll feel better.

[fatter than harry]

Is there in the Thaivisa-Forum any kind of limitations (setup in the software) which decides the minimum size - maximum size, or the number of posting per day, or threads? or similar something like that?

No man, there isn't one of those, but there should be some kind of a beyond-the-realms-of-tedium-alarm.

[stroll]

[stroll]

Just making an example of the smallest post size that makes sense.

It is not possible to post a blank page.

The longest post hasn't been attempted yet, and I hope it won't be.

[john b good]

I suspect that the other members find that most of Yohann's contributions can get a bit over the top. Just my opinion.

Excuse me, Dr. Patpong, but this was not my question...

Is there in the Thaivisa-Forum any kind of limitations (setup in the software) which decides the minimum size - maximum size, or the number of posting per day, or threads? or similar something like that?

Johann

I only made a comment. Get over your aggression, you'll feel better.

I know that I am treading on very dangerous ground here but I don't take exception to Yohans posts. AND I don't see any indications of aggression on his part either.

Yohan has made some very valid points, asked some very valid questions and cutting him off at the knees or belittling him is not gonna solve anything.

[Yohan]

May I ask all of you about the size of a posting in a somehow different way:

What kind of posting do YOU expect from another member of this forum?

What is a long posting for YOU? Or a very long posting? and what is a too long posting?

I myself was scrolling back my own postings, and I found most of them are about 20 lines....there are quite a number of them, which are shorter, and very few ones, which are considerable longer....

Are 20 lines too long? I do not think so, but people like me from Austria living in Japan among the Japanese might be really thinking different from others.....

What is a short posting? If it should contain some valuable informations, it cannot be shorter than 8 to 10 lines, I think so....or not?

What is too short? My opinion is that about the typical 1-liner....containing no information.... such something like an smiley icon and a text: I like it too... yes, why not....

I think, better add some lines more about your own opinion.... 1 line is too short... sounds to me like a posting of a twin brother....

What do you think is the recommended size for a good acceptable posting on this forum?

[RamdomChances]

Why do'nt you just post what you feel is right, if people dont want to read it up to them, if they are bored with your postings they wont reply to you.

Dont try to over analyes it.

Wht dont you stop irratating the mods and get back to irratating the rest of us instead

[Boo]

Yohan please read the quote you've dragged up & redirect your question to the right people.

SeaVisionBurma was the only one to request you limit your posts so maybe you can PM him to join in this topic.

[Yohan]

I hope I do not produce misunderstandings again.

This was just a simple question, and it is not related to a certain person at all.

I would like to ask some members, anybody, if there is something about the size of postings in their mind, when reading other people comments, or when posting themselves.

Do you consider the size of a posting when you type a comment?

Do you consider the size of a posting when reading postings of others?

Will you read all postings in a thread? or only the short ones?

Just a simple question, and I would like to hear the opinions of some users, regardless if they ever had read my comments or not....

[huski]

Wht dont you stop irratating the mods and get back to irratating the rest of us instead

[Axel]

I hope I do not produce misunderstandings again.

This was just a simple question, and it is not related to a certain person at all.

I would like to ask some members, anybody, if there is something about the size of postings...

Yohan, I was reading lots, albeit not all in full, of your postings.

To be very honest, cut it down. I know you want to get it right, but in your mother tongue they say, "In der Kuerze liegt die Wuerze" (hope I got this right)

which I translate freely as "short is sexy".

Leave some points open, even if you feel they are important. It gives other members a chance to discuss.

[RamdomChances]

I would like to ask some members, anybody, if there is something about the size of postings in their mind, when reading other people comments, or when posting themselves.

mmm the eternal question, "does size matter"

well its not about how big but how you use it

Seriously if i'm interested in a topic i read it all, if you go on and on you run the risk of people getting bored and just skiping what you have to say.

Some posts are light hearted and one liners are fine, some posts ask for info and if you want to post anything meaningful, you have to post long.

You need to use your own judgment, see how the thread is going, but at the end of the day post what you want, if its not offensive then let people read it or not, if they dont like it dont rise to the occasion and post an even longer rebutal, just let it go!!

If you read the thread about long postings you will see that most people where on your side even if they did not agree with you.

Any way good to see you back

[Bluecat]

"In der Kuerze liegt die Wuerze" (hope I got this right)

which I translate freely as "short is sexy".

I tried it, Axel.

They did not really appreciate, not all of it anyway.

I do not know why.

They were short.

Well, maybe they did not like the short part.

But they sure liked the sexy part,...

Are we talking about postings?

Jeez, I'm off topic again,...

[Axel]

"In der Kuerze liegt die Wuerze" (hope I got this right)

which I translate freely as "short is sexy".

I tried it, Axel....

Jeez, I'm off topic again,...

Bluecat, we are miles off topic, actually talking about Yohan's size.

of postings, of course.

RamdomChances got somehow the feeling politically correct,

"does size matter" 

well its not about how big but how you use it 

but in MHO, you cannot whip cream with a toothpick.

Yohan, please try to make your long pencil a mighty but short sword. Any warrior can confirm this, your sword is only the material extension of your thoughts, but if it gets wet in battle too early it might be rusty before efficient.

Bluecat, we are miles off topic, at least me, although I am still talking about post ins. Oops

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Wht dont you stop irratating the mods and get back to irratating the rest of us instead

Are you trying to get my title Huski. A bloody no liner no less. I will have to rethink my position now that the competition is hotting up.

[mango head]

I would like to ask some members, anybody, if there is something about the size of postings in their mind

yes, to keep writing untill you feel you have made your point.

[p1p]

Repetitive statements / questions along the same lines serve nothing but to annoy the reader.

Keep in mind the old K.I.S.S. adage, Keep It Simple, Stupid. Or, in other words, keep it short and sweet. You will retain the interest of your desired audience.

Now should I go on??

This post is already too long...

[Bluecat]

Keep in mind the old K.I.S.S. adage, Keep It Simple, Stupid.

You're very, very right P1P.

This is the first and last principle in business.

Make them understand.

And if you want them to understand.

And believe you.

K.I.S.S.

[Yohan]

huski Posted: Tue 2004-07-06, 13:12:00  

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(p1p @ Tue 2004-07-06, 04:05:13)

OK. Perhaps I can shed a little bit of light on the matter and, at the same time, lighten the subject a little:

Only in America

Only in America can a homeless combat veteran live in a cardboard box and a draft dodger live in the White House.

Only in America...can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance...

Only in America...are there handicap parking places in front of a skating  rink...

Only in America...do drugstores make the sick, walk all the way to the  back of the store to get their prescriptions.

Only in America...do people order double cheese burgers, a large fry,  and a diet coke...

Only in America...do banks leave both doors open and then chain the pens to  the counters...

Only in America...do we leave cars worth tens of thousands of dollars in the  driveway and leave useless junk in the garage...

Only in America...do we use answering machines to screen calls and then have call waiting so we won’t miss a call from someone we didn’t want to talk to in the first place...

Only in America...do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight...

Only in America...do we use the word “politics” to describe the process so well: “Poli” in Latin meaning “many” and “tics” meaning  “blood-sucking creatures”...

Only in America do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille  lettering!

However, on a more serious note: The following is taken from an open, unpublished letter sent to various US newspapers prior to the second invasion to Iraq. It was authored and signed by several US academics.

Since 9/11, and particularly around the anniversary, we have all received many emails saying how proud our people are to be American. We have also heard and read many Americans asking, Why? Why us? Why do people hate us? What did we do wrong? Why are Americans so unpopular in places around the world?

We feel that we can shed a bit of light on questions such those.

It is not because we are free, nor because of our democracy, nor even particularly because we are rich. What people do not like is the sheer arrogance of the belief that nowhere else is of any importance unless it is rich in oil or other natural resource which we can make use of.

The President hypocritically carries on about Freedom and Democracy and how people hate us because of it. This is not even remotely true. People around the world watched the farce of the presidential election where his brother Jeb, with the help of Katherine Harrison in Florida, was seen to fix it for him. Our Democracy is generally seen as simply the method for the richest, most powerful man to purchase power for himself. The truly popular candidate never even stands a chance to enter the race; too many vested interests will keep him out.

With regard to our famous American freedom: If we are so free, why did Martin Luther King need to be politically active? What was the cause of the Los Angeles riots? Why did our National Guard shoot innocent students guilty only of voicing legitimate grievances? How free are we really and how has our freedom changed since 9/11?

We see the number of people who fall through the holes in the US welfare program, who live on the streets or in sewers and eat at soup kitchens. The absolute conviction that we are so free, beautiful and great does not hold with these facts.

The much-lauded Constitutional freedom to carry guns produces one of the most dangerous societies in the world. Murder rates in the three greatest American cities; Washington, Los Angeles and New York, are comparable with the most perilous places on Earth. Indeed, you probably know that the most dangerous city on earth is not in South America, Africa, Europe or even Afghanistan; it is Miami, Florida; governed by the aforementioned Jeb Bush. (This statistic ignores Iraq and other current war zones.)

Our insularism is beyond belief. Ask the average citizen of the Mid-West: “Who is the current or previous President of South Africa, Russia or France?” They would have no idea. Ask them to point out Egypt, Ghana, Austria or Bangladesh on a map and you know what the result would be.

Look at our television news, for most people the foreign news concerns the State next door, or Federal matters. Ask about anything outside the continental USA, and they are not only clueless but they could not care less.

The whole world was dumbfounded by the President’s refusal to accept the evidence for global warming and the CO2 Greenhouse effect. Between us we have heard people discussing, with disgust, the US opting out of the Kyoto accords in 6 separate European countries plus India, Nepal, Pakistan, Japan, Thailand, Indonesia and Australia; not to mention the USA itself. The general consensus of opinion is that the USA is thumbing their noses at the rest of the world while the Bush family laugh all the way to the bank with their increasing oil riches.

A lot of people feel upset by the constant referral to God; In God we trust etc. The secular segregation of Church and State is enshrined in US law, however our Pledge of Allegiance still makes reference to God and two of America’s three main anthems also mention God. On the subject of religion; The USA is the only country where Creationism is taught as fact in some schools, and the theory of Evolution dismissed as unlikely and anti-God. (On a personal note; one of our signatories was forced to resign as a city councilman because, being Buddhist, he could not refer to God in the Pledge of Allegiance. This was a clear violation of his rights under the US First Amendment, let alone his right to religious freedom but this did not occur to those forcing him out.)  Bible study classes are held religiously, (forgive the pun) for children up to adults. This is regarded as natural and proper, indeed necessary to instill proper morals etc. However students who study Islam at Madrassars are labeled as Zealots or Fanatics. Is this correct or fair?

People everywhere are asking why we are coming down so hard on Iraq because they did not follow UN resolutions. At the same time we support Israel in doing just that. Disregarding the feelings of Arabs, Palestinians and others, we have many Israeli and fellow American friends who firmly believe that September 11th would never have occurred and furthermore the whole Mid-East region would be living in peace if it were not for US interference and support for right wing politics in Israel.

Many of us are heard to complain, “We are the only superpower and the world’s policeman. Why don't other countries like us?” We fail to understand that with great power comes great responsibility and we should be seen to act in an altruistic, rather than a self-centered manner, pandering to the interests of the USA alone, not the other countries concerned. As examples, where were we when the Rwandans were slaughtering each other? What happened when we encouraged the Kurds and the southern Marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam Hussein at the end of the Gulf war? They were left to be slaughtered while waiting for promised American help to materialize. Look at the genocide that took place in Guatemala, Chile and elsewhere committed by our own CIA installed, puppet, right-wing governments. Consider how many despotic regimes are in power around the world only because of US support. Consider too the Second World War. We are so very fond of saying that we won the war, however we forget that Europe was screaming for assistance for an age while we sat on the wings and profited from the conflict. Only when Pearl Harbor was attacked did we deem to enter the war. Prior to that the free European forces and the British Commonwealth were the only countries standing up against the evils of Fascism. Furthermore, our claim to have "saved Europe and won the war" holds little water. The allies' victory stems far more from Hitler's bizarre decision to invade his ally Russia, thereby opening an eastern front he could not hope to overcome, than it does from any US involvement.

Our citizens also love to complain about the vast amounts of aid we give to the rest of the world. We prefer to disregard the fact that, of the ten richest countries, we give by far the least, both per capita and in terms of % of GDP. If one also examines the percentage of truly altruistic aid, as opposed to aid tied to benefits to such companies as Monsanto, Boeing and Smith & Wesson, the comparison between the ten richest countries shows the US to be like a bicycle in an Indy 5000 race.

Ask yourself why so many highly regarded NGOs around the world will have nothing to do with US Aid. Why should we demand: "We'll feed you as long as you ban abortions / grow our crops / become Christian / destroy your land with our chemicals / etc."?

The new International Criminal Court is another example of our extreme arrogance. Why do we not accept the jurisdiction of a legitimate global body? It is there to protect us as much as anywhere else. None of the reasons given by the US hold water. It all boils down to “because we are Americans” which is simply not good enough.

Lastly, let us look at September 11th itself. Why did those nineteen young men decide to end their own lives in such a manner? We have touched the tip of the iceberg of resentment above and can see genuine reasons for unhappiness, but why did they do what they did?

What other recourse did they have? Complain to the UN Security Council? We all know who sits there and would veto anything. Desperate people do desperate things. Much like the wolf that chews off it's own leg in a trap, some people resort to terrorism. We see it everywhere around the world so why should America be any different?

Examine the actual destruction and loss of life that day. Of course it was horrible, shocking, terrible and should never have been permitted to occur. We repeat our strongly felt condolences. However; let us put things in a bit of perspective. Less than 3500 people died. This is trivial in comparison to the ongoing deaths from starvation and disease throughout the world. Deaths that are preventable by the means and know-how we have today.

Then why is so much significance placed on this, admittedly terrible terrorist act?

The loss of some structures? Again, trivial, if compared to Hiroshima or Nagasaki. One is led to believe there could easily be some ulterior motive in the reactionary way our Government has and is responding to this act.

Let us last consider the war against terrorism and proposed war against Iraq. We are afraid they are both deeply flawed ideas. As example regarding the war against terrorism: let us look at the Vietnam war: Who were the Viet Kong Guerrillas? The pretty girl on a bicycle? The schoolteacher with his books? The fruit vendor? The schoolgirl with her satchel? The bar owner or restaurateur with his GI clientele? The hotel concierge who supplied the officer with his most private desires? All of them had grenades, guns or explosives intended for US citizens. Terrorists today are the same types of people and equally impossible to identify with any certainty. No country has ever won a war against terrorism without, in some way, negotiating a settlement. We will discover this to our cost.

What can the USA do to stop terrorism and avert the threat of weapons of mass destruction from Iraq or elsewhere?

Live up to the constitution and the four freedoms espoused by FDR. Be philanthropic in our outlook and stop tying aid to any conditions. Help save the planet by embracing alternative energies and cutting back on CO2 and other emissions. Support indigenous peoples by encouraging sustainable use of rain forest and other localized or specialized ecologies, instead of pushing for the Monsanto or other large corporation sponsored deforestation. Stop sending our missionaries overseas to corrupt the cultures of native peoples. Instead, embrace and learn from the culture they have. Too many simple peoples are now dying out while waiting for “Jesus to save.”

Become part of this great world’s cultural diversity and live and work with all without trying to change everybody else to fit our desires or perceived needs. Stop being greedy and try to arrange to share this planet's severely limited resources in a more equitable, sustainable manner.

Embrace the United Nations and other global bodies but never try to dominate. Accept that others have legitimate rights, which may be contrary to our desires. If we can do this, there will be no need for any war against terrorism because terrorism will soon cease to exist.

We regard ourselves as the leaders of the free world. Isn't it time we led?

Finally, and again in a lighter tone, I heartily recommend a visit to http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 where Mr Eric Idle, the first non-american contributor and one of the comic geniuses behind Monty Pithon says it all.

looks like nobody is complaining about yohan's long posts anymore...

I am not an American basher.... this makes the difference.....

Thank you for rehabilitation.

[fatter than harry]

Good on you Yohan!

just add a smiley and your rehabilitaion will be complete!

[Davidcharles]

Some posts are far too long.....

So I don't read them.....we should all do the same!

[p1p]

Some posts are far too long.....

So I don't read them.....we should all do the same!

This is why they publish books - and comics.

[castelleone]

Do you consider the size of a posting when you type a comment?

Do you consider the size of a posting when reading postings of others?

Will you read all postings in a thread? or only the short ones?

Some posts are far too long.....

So I don't read them.....we should all do the same!

I cannot help it but the shorter a posting the quicker I get it. It is like anything else. If you are charged too much your attention fails. I admit, I love short postings.

Giuseppe Verdi made his operas not longer than 2 hours due to the diminishing attention of the audience. He was very smart, I think