U.S. Postal Service watchdog to probe service woes as worries rise about mail ballots

[riclag]

41 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

"Each day the Postal Service processes and delivers 181.9 million pieces of First-Class Mail."

 

Still having a hard time understanding why they can't process and deliver what, 80-ish million ballots in a month or so? Most mail-ins will probably come from within a small geographic location.

 

They handle Christmas Cards, Mother's/Father's Day cards, JUNK MAIL, without a problem.

 

All that said, there's obviously more to this story as people have been complaining about mail delivery for a few months. Some people are going without required medicines.

 

Every state is different, but many do allow a third party to deliver a ballot. This is obviously necessary.

 

https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/vopp-table-10-who-can-collect-and-return-an-absentee-ballot-other-than-the-voter.aspx

Nadler could call for a emergency hearing .Bring in Dejoy!

[riclag]

Better and much less controversy ! Go to the polls,especially if the states never used universal mail in's(not to be confused with absentee) 

"More than 18,000 mail ballots not counted in Florida’s March presidential primary" These people never got ballots!

“We are in uncharted territory here,” Persily said. “Millions of voters are going to be voting in a way different than they have historically.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/

 

 

[riclag]

For those who doubt  how long it could take to finalize a vote count!

In the  2016 election, because of the efforts of J.Stein, it went well into the middle of December!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_recounts

[johnnybangkok]

38 minutes ago, riclag said:

Better and much less controversy ! Go to the polls,especially if the states never used universal mail in's(not to be confused with absentee) 

"More than 18,000 mail ballots not counted in Florida’s March presidential primary" These people never got ballots!

“We are in uncharted territory here,” Persily said. “Millions of voters are going to be voting in a way different than they have historically.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/

 

 

I think this has been explained to you many, many times already yet here you are again.

The US postal service can handle the numbers required for postal voting IF they are given the right resources and IF their current Postmaster General doesn't cut current services (which is of course what he is doing).

The only people who have a vested interest in this not happening also happen to be those that don't want a high voter turn out. And by your constant condoning of voting in person you in turn are saying that a fair and legal method that should give everyone their democratic right to vote without fear of catching a deadly virus is wrong. You are obviously a Trump fan so it's no surprise you are following your beloved leaders voice, but no one else is buying what you are badly selling.

Some of us still believe in democracy and some of us know exactly what is going on.  

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Better and much less controversy ! Go to the polls,especially if the states never used universal mail in's(not to be confused with absentee) 

"More than 18,000 mail ballots not counted in Florida’s March presidential primary" These people never got ballots!

“We are in uncharted territory here,” Persily said. “Millions of voters are going to be voting in a way different than they have historically.”

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/06/29/more-than-18000-mail-ballots-not-counted-in-floridas-march-presidential-preference-primary/

 

 

I didn't get past the pay-wall of your source, but I assume it explained that in Florida, absentee ballots are only counted when the number of absentee ballots are enough to possibly change the election day results. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think this has been explained to you many, many times already yet here you are again.

The US postal service can handle the numbers required for postal voting IF they are given the right resources and IF their current Postmaster General doesn't cut current services (which is of course what he is doing).

The only people who have a vested interest in this not happening also happen to be those that don't want a high voter turn out. And by your constant condoning of voting in person you in turn are saying that a fair and legal method that should give everyone their democratic right to vote without fear of catching a deadly virus is wrong. You are obviously a Trump fan so it's no surprise you are following your beloved leaders voice, but no one else is buying what you are badly selling.

Some of us still believe in democracy and some of us know exactly what is going on.  

 

 

Is Trump going to be voting at his local polling place?  No, don't think so....

 

He's going to vote exactly the same way he's trying to prevent millions of ordinary Americans from voting... Hypocrite!!!

 

Quote

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump requested mail-in ballots for Florida's primary election on Tuesday, according to Palm Beach County records, despite the President's frequent attacks on voting by mail.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/donald-trump-melania-florida-mail-in-ballot/index.html

 

Hopefully, Trump's new US Postal DisService will fail to deliver his ballot on time ahead of the election... 

 

[GinBoy2]

This is a ridiculous argument. Mail In/Absentee voting is essentially the same, the only difference is certain States require an 'excuse' to vote absentee, but the majority, like mine SD, you just request it and it's done.

 

I haven't stepped into a voting booth for over 20 years, in California, when I lived overseas or here in South Dakota.

 

Red States use mail in voting all the time, and in a rare moment of backbone my Senior Senator, Thune R-SD even broke with Trump to defend the process.

 

To put it perspective, in our itty bitty State in this years Primary, 230,000 votes were cast, 83,000 of them were mail in/Absentee ballots, and in our redder than Red State, most them were for Republicans

 

Now one thing regarding the Post Office.

 

These things are sent out weeks before the election, and I doubt I'm alone but I usually send it in within after days of receiving it.

 

I just did my annual application (you need to submit one every year here in SD), here's the timeline. I'm doubtful that any slowdown in the postal service would make that much difference 

Edited August 16, 2020 by GinBoy2

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed for the third time.  

 

 

[pedro01]

It seems to me the mass mailing of ballots is what is being changed this election right? That's never been done before to my recollection.

 

So how is this "Trump trying to steal the election?" - surely he's trying to maintain the status quo.

[rcummings]

I think this headline from factcheck.org says it all:

Biden Floats Baseless Election Conspiracy [UPDATE: See our latest story ‘Trump Proves Biden Right on USPS Funding, Mail-In Ballots’]

[J Town]

14 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

It seems to me the mass mailing of ballots is what is being changed this election right? That's never been done before to my recollection.

 

So how is this "Trump trying to steal the election?" - surely he's trying to maintain the status quo.

About 80% of people who say they will use mail say they're voting for Biden.

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, rcummings said:

I think this headline from factcheck.org says it all:

Biden Floats Baseless Election Conspiracy [UPDATE: See our latest story ‘Trump Proves Biden Right on USPS Funding, Mail-In Ballots’]

Full link here, conclusion: Biden now has proof for his claims. https://www.factcheck.org/2020/08/trump-proves-biden-right-on-usps-funding-mail-in-ballots/

Edited August 18, 2020 by stevenl

[pedro01]

18 minutes ago, J Town said:

About 80% of people who say they will use mail say they're voting for Biden.

Only idiots answer polls. 

 

Same people that vote for Biden. 

 

People on the right have jobs and businesses and are far too busy to answer polls. 

 

Hence the 2017 'shock' result

[Credo]

1 hour ago, pedro01 said:

It seems to me the mass mailing of ballots is what is being changed this election right? That's never been done before to my recollection.

 

So how is this "Trump trying to steal the election?" - surely he's trying to maintain the status quo.

No, some states have all mail-in voting:
Five states – Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Utah, and Washington – conduct what are commonly referred to as all-mail elections

https://ballotpedia.org/All-mail_voting

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, pedro01 said:

It seems to me the mass mailing of ballots is what is being changed this election right? That's never been done before to my recollection.

 

So how is this "Trump trying to steal the election?" - surely he's trying to maintain the status quo.

Please read the thread. This has been done to death.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

20 hours ago, pedro01 said:

 

People on the right have jobs and businesses and are far too busy to answer polls. 

 

 

But apparently they have enough time to stand in long queues without wearing masks while waiting to vote in person, all the while sharing their CV germs with those around them?  Since of course, people "on the right" wouldn't want to defy their master Trump and engage in that horrible, fraud-filled system of mailed-in ballots....  even though the hypocrite in chief does exactly that himself.

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[johnnybangkok]

In a recent interview with Trump on Fox News:- 

“I have to tell you that if you go with this universal mail-in where you send millions of votes — in California, tens of millions of ballots being sent to everybody and their dogs. Dogs are getting them, OK? People that have been dead for 25 years are getting them,” the President said.

 

The President of the United States thinks dogs are being sent ballots. 
You couldn’t make this up. 

[jcsmith]

14 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

In a recent interview with Trump on Fox News:- 

“I have to tell you that if you go with this universal mail-in where you send millions of votes — in California, tens of millions of ballots being sent to everybody and their dogs. Dogs are getting them, OK? People that have been dead for 25 years are getting them,” the President said.

 

The President of the United States thinks dogs are being sent ballots. 
You couldn’t make this up. 

He also of course leaves out is that it is a federal crime to fake a ballot. You will go to prison. And of course people also file their taxes online. People have used mail in balloting for years, including Donald Trump. He's trying to suppress votes and steal an election that he is losing badly. It's pretty obvious. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by jcsmith

[J Town]

7 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

 He's trying to suppress votes and steal an election that he is losing badly. It's pretty obvious. 

At this point he's mildly behind in the polls, and we know how polls go. Historically, 45 has been consistently 34-38% support from his base this entire term. He was outvoted by over 3 million. Yes, he's losing, he's outnumbered, and it will take energizing voters to get to the polls. Election 2016 people voted for 45 or stayed home because they hated Hillary. Election 2020, people are not voting FOR Biden, they're voting AGAINST 45.

[pedro01]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

But apparently they have enough time to stand in long queues without wearing masks while waiting to vote in person, all the while sharing their CV germs with those around them?  Since of course, people "on the right" wouldn't want to defy their master Trump and engage in that horrible, fraud-filled system of mailed-in ballots....  even though the hypocrite in chief does exactly that himself.

 

Fauci said that voting in person could be done safely

 

 

You know something he doesn't? 

[Eric Loh]

3 hours ago, pedro01 said:

Fauci said that voting in person could be done safely

 

 

You know something he doesn't? 

Let me filled up the missing part of your truncated misinformation. He said in-person election can be done safely with proper precautions. Really up to the commander in chief to behave and send the right message and policies to convince voters that proper precautions are in placed. He is not doing any of this. Up to voters to decide with confidence which mode of voting they feel comfortable with. So far Trump is only sabotaging the mail-in voters because he feel voters turnout will disadvantage him and he care less for safety concerns.  

[Rimmer]

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[rcummings]

1 hour ago, pedro01 said:

 

Fauci said there would be no problem in voting in person.

 

Perhaps you can explain why you feel more of an expert than he is.

Fauci said in-person voting would be safe if the wearing of masks and social distancing was observed. Given the skepticism widespread among Trump supporters concerning such measures and the failure of many of them to comply, why should a rational voter take the risk? 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, rcummings said:

Fauci said in-person voting would be safe if the wearing of masks and social distancing was observed. Given the skepticism widespread among Trump supporters concerning such measures and the failure of many of them to comply, why should a rational voter take the risk? 

 

“I think if carefully done, according to the guidelines, there’s no reason that I can see why that not be the case,” Fauci told ABC News this week. “If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing, and don’t have a crowded situation, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to do that.”

He also spoke about concerned individuals,skeptical (otherwise) if not interested have a option!

"Fauci  doubled down and added "that individuals who are “compromised physically or otherwise” and who are not interested in physically going to the polls on Election Day, can use mail-in voting".

 

So those who think about the risks  and the consequences of possibly exposing themselves would have many options! 

 Fauci rationalized  making such controversial recommendation knowing full well that some people would have concerns about  all (Americans) .

There are some states that will give voters a option to wear a mask and others who make it mandatory ! 

All Americans have choices, stay home and  vote or go to the polls

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-no-reason-americans-cant-vote-in-person-november

 

Edited August 19, 2020 by riclag

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

“I think if carefully done, according to the guidelines, there’s no reason that I can see why that not be the case,” Fauci told ABC News this week. “If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing, and don’t have a crowded situation, there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to do that.”

He also spoke about concerned  individuals (otherwise)if not interested have a option!

"Fauci  doubled down and added "that individuals who are “compromised physically or otherwise” and who are not interested in physically going to the polls on Election Day, can use mail-in voting".

 

So those who think about the risks  and the consequences of possibly exposing themselves would have many options! 

 Fauci rationalized  making such controversial recommendation knowing full well that some people would have concerns about  all (Americans) .

There are some states that will give voters a option to wear a mask and others who make it mandatory ! 

All Americans have choices stay home and  vote or go to the polls

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-no-reason-americans-cant-vote-in-person-november

 

Do you understand what fauci said? He basically said 'if all healthy people go voting wearing a mask and distancing, it is safe'.

Now what percentage of the US is wearing a mask and social distancing? My guess, considerably less than 50%. What are the chances of encountering someone who is not wearing a mask or social distancing on a voting trip? My guess, almost 100%.

 

So all in all, he said in person voting is unsafe if you have underlying health issues, or can transmit the virus to someone with underlying health issues, and it is unsafe in almost 100% of the other situations.

 

 

[riclag]

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Do you understand what fauci said? He basically said 'if all healthy people go voting wearing a mask and distancing, it is safe'.

Now what percentage of the US is wearing a mask and social distancing? My guess, considerably less than 50%. What are the chances of encountering someone who is not wearing a mask or social distancing on a voting trip? My guess, almost 100%.

 

So all in all, he said in person voting is unsafe if you have underlying health issues, or can transmit the virus to someone with underlying health issues, and it is unsafe in almost 100% of the other situations.

 

 

Yes, I just quoted what he said ! Its you who's  making up assumptions ("basically said ")

Edited August 19, 2020 by riclag

[rcummings]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 

 

 

All Americans have choices, stay home and  vote or go to the polls

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fauci-no-reason-americans-cant-vote-in-person-november

 

Not entirely true. For example in Texas the court ruled that looking to avoid catching covid was not sufficient grounds to qualify for a mail-in ballot.

Edited August 19, 2020 by rcummings

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Yes, I just quoted what he said ! Its you who's  making up assumptions ("basically said ")

You quoted, directly followed by the Fox interpretation.

So no, you just 'not just quoted', you gave an interpretation, just as I did.

 

Mine is correct.

[mike787]

Yep, me 2 i'm worried as well.

[flexomike]

On 8/16/2020 at 5:12 AM, 4reaL said:

 

Attached image of post boxes being removed from city streets.

This along with the lackey Post Master General appointed by Trump will prove a very precarious situation.

 

 

 

 

This isn't something that just happened, it has been going on for years, this is just  junk yard for old mail boxes