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Posted
8 hours ago, Henryford said:

Only dic.....s drive Fortuners

Wonder what's that sentiment is rooted in. Been driving rental Fortuners for a long time, vast majority people I know would not classify me as a dic.

 

Posted
31 minutes ago, Gumballl said:

Slightly off topic, but the Fortuner looks very similar to the Highlander that is available here in the US. The folks that I know that own this type of vehicle have never stated anything negative about the vehicle. It is appointed with nice features, and is reliable.

 

I personally drive the Toyota 4Runner SR5. It is spacious in size, and solid as a rock after nearly 4 years. I sure wish it were available in Thailand... and that it would be affordable. ????

 

I would never buy a Ford (or any other american vehicle).

 

 

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Appreciate your input. I am not one much for design (while I have to admit that I am still not used to the newer Pajeros).

 

I am big on comfort, as I will have to use the car for business and that means a lot of km.

Also, I am big on safety: airbags and assistance.

Reliability and a number to call and get fixed in the middle of the night is another topic high up on the list (the guys at the Ford showroom made some interesting claims with regards to support while the guys at Toyota showroom where a bit clueless to say the least).

 

Posted
1 minute ago, fabruer said:

Appreciate your input. I am not one much for design (while I have to admit that I am still not used to the newer Pajeros).

 

I am big on comfort, as I will have to use the car for business and that means a lot of km.

Also, I am big on safety: airbags and assistance.

Reliability and a number to call and get fixed in the middle of the night is another topic high up on the list (the guys at the Ford showroom made some interesting claims with regards to support while the guys at Toyota showroom where a bit clueless to say the least).

 

The Toyota showroom folks probably gave you the "deer in the headlights look" when you asked about repairs. This is probably because Toyota vehicles are solid, and rarely need fixing. Sure, you have to get maintenance performed on it, but that's the same for any vehicle.

 

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily

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12 minutes ago, fabruer said:

Wonder what's that sentiment is rooted in. Been driving rental Fortuners for a long time, vast majority people I know would not classify me as a dic.

 

Can I just point out that the Tuna and more than likely the Everest has a button that locks the rear door, if it's in the off position it wont open with the fob or any other method other than by hand. It might have been turned off. Tip if the sales peeps in your local Toyota's don't know what their talking about go to another dealers.  Just used this post as it was small.

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22 minutes ago, Gumballl said:

The Toyota showroom folks probably gave you the "deer in the headlights look" when you asked about repairs. This is probably because Toyota vehicles are solid, and rarely need fixing. Sure, you have to get maintenance performed on it, but that's the same for any vehicle.

 

FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily

Have to agree. I am on my 3rd new Toyota in the last 16+ years, and the only thing that has been a problem is the battery. Not even had a side light go on the blink. Oh tell a lie. I did have a baby mouse get in the A/C on the latest one. Don't think I can blame Toyota for that.

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23 minutes ago, fabruer said:

Reliability and a number to call and get fixed in the middle of the night is another topic high up on the list (the guys at the Ford showroom made some interesting claims with regards to support while the guys at Toyota showroom where a bit clueless to say the least).

Both my Rangers came with free Mondial roadside assist while they were under warranty. Used them a few of times when the rubbish FoMoCo brand batteries died. First time was after being parked up at the airport while I was away, the second time was at a small hotel in the provinces one morning, the third and last time was at a PTT gas station.

 

Ford did have battery issues with their PX Rangers between 2011 and 2014 using FoMoCo branded battery's made under license in Thailand by GS. AFAIK, this has been resolved and Ford users forums (Ranger and Everest) don't mention battery issues these days.

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15 minutes ago, fredob43 said:

Tip if the sales peeps in your local Toyota's don't know what their talking about go to another dealers.

Very good recommendation there. A lot about a vehicle's bad reputation can start with the dealership. Inattentive or clueless sales staff indicates possibly a 'churn' in personnel but no manufacturer is immune to that. Although I have had good sales and service with two separate Ford franchises since 2011, there are horror stories out there. For example I understand that the Phuket Ford dealerships are all the same franchisee and a few years back, their whole after sales service was deplorable. Going to another branch, even some on the southern mainland was a bit of pot luck as they were al under the same ownership. I am unaware if that situation has improved.

 

With Toyota's undeniably greater market saturation in Thailand, finding a dealership that can better answer questions and more importantly, do the servicing, honor warranties, etc.. should be easy.

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3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Very good recommendation there. A lot about a vehicle's bad reputation can start with the dealership. Inattentive or clueless sales staff indicates possibly a 'churn' in personnel but no manufacturer is immune to that. Although I have had good sales and service with two separate Ford franchises since 2011, there are horror stories out there. For example I understand that the Phuket Ford dealerships are all the same franchisee and a few years back, their whole after sales service was deplorable. Going to another branch, even some on the southern mainland was a bit of pot luck as they were al under the same ownership. I am unaware if that situation has improved.

 

With Toyota's undeniably greater market saturation in Thailand, finding a dealership that can better answer questions and more importantly, do the servicing, honor warranties, etc.. should be easy.

I have obtained 2 of my Toyota lumps from my local garage. Must say the sales peeps haven't a clue about anything. If it's not in the extras book forget it.

 

But they do have a great service department. Like all the Toyota dealers I have used in the past they all let me stand with my car when they service it. That way I get to have a good look above and below, also point out what I want them to do. My Thai is quite good, but my Technical Thai stinks. So the old Thai ploy of pointing comes in very handy.

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Posted
7 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

The EcoBlue engine is the replacement for the Duratorq range. Its a Euro6 engine but the AdBlu system is only fitted for markets that have imposed Euro6.

 

I am not a fan of recent Ford designs since their engines appear to be designed by CAD jockeys who have never had oil on their hands. The design objectives are lowest cost and minimum assembly time on the line.  When the EcoBoost (EcoBust to the trade) was launched the belt in oil was supposedly 'lifetime'. Then it was 150k/10 years. Following belt failures Ford (UK) have started saying 100k/10Y.  The things are an unholy nightmare to change. I believe Ford book time is 12 hours plus the kit. Around 1400GBP at a UK dealer!

The crank centre bolt is a stretch bolt that is tightened to 60Nm and then angle tightened 90 degrees a further FIVE times. That equates to something like 500Nm of torque!  Even with a long 3/4" drive bar and adapter we couldn't tightened these so we bought a torque multiplier.  Once the job is completed the oil system has to be primed which involves taking the filter off and messing about.

All this assumes you get to 100k miles first and the engine has not ruined its block through pre-detonation or loss of coolant.  The things are just garbage to be honest.

Regards the 10R80 transmissions, well this is a Ford design and part of a Ford/GM joint venture.  Bear in mind that prior to this Ford had basically given up on autos and were letting ZF design and build for them.  So I find it a bit amusing that they couldn't build a reliable 4 speed but now build a 10 speed. It uses two hydraulic pumps - the second one is because they eliminated the hydraulic accumulator and put an ELECTRIC pump in its place. First I'm not sure I need 10 speeds, second I don't want an electric pump in my gearbox.

In years past I was prepared to put up with bad design and/or inferior reliability if I otherwise liked the vehicle. Being older now I just want stuff that is properly designed and works. 

Ford must be doing something right because they shift plenty of vehicles through to fleets at a 40% discount and still make healthy profits.  I think if you're not keeping the vehicle for the long haul then its fine. If you expect it to be a keeper - say 15 years, then not so much.

Brilliant, thanks! A lot of good info in there.

Actually, it might be a car for 3-5 years use, depending if and how I can get the leasing set up.

It's supposed to run as a company car so I am expecting 80-100k km mileage a year.

What I gather from you, at such mileage I am to expect a lot of troubles down the road.

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2 hours ago, fabruer said:

Brilliant, thanks! A lot of good info in there.

Actually, it might be a car for 3-5 years use, depending if and how I can get the leasing set up.

It's supposed to run as a company car so I am expecting 80-100k km mileage a year.

What I gather from you, at such mileage I am to expect a lot of troubles down the road.

Looks like your left with 1 option the Tuna. Just don't get carried away with some of the things on it like many have now that are just GIMMICKS. The foot operated boot lid for one as you will Never use it.

 

E/G when parked up and you return from say supermarket with your trolley, you approach the car it has to be unlocked via the key fob before it'll work anyway. Just press the fob button to do same, then a lower button on fob that will open the boot lid before you get to it. Unload, close using the button on the lid, the in car one, or remote. You could of cause wave your foot under the back to close it, fine as long as you get out of the way of the lid as it closes, if you even touch it it'll lock half closed and you'll be faffing about resetting it. As said gimmick. 

 

One thing that's very useful is the button on the fob that sounds the car alarm. Very handy if your in a car park and cant find it. Happened to me several times. Press that the alarm will go off and wont stop till you press to stop it.

 

One other thing that's not a gimmick with a Toyo is it'll last trouble free for however long you require it.

Happy motoring.   

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Posted
3 hours ago, fabruer said:

Brilliant, thanks! A lot of good info in there.

Actually, it might be a car for 3-5 years use, depending if and how I can get the leasing set up.

It's supposed to run as a company car so I am expecting 80-100k km mileage a year.

What I gather from you, at such mileage I am to expect a lot of troubles down the road.

Seems like the Toyota is for you, buy and drive. Prices range from about 1,400,000 to 1,800,000, depends on what gizmos and engine/trans you want, price comes complete with reliability. ????

Posted
26 minutes ago, transam said:
3 hours ago, fabruer said:

Brilliant, thanks! A lot of good info in there.

Actually, it might be a car for 3-5 years use, depending if and how I can get the leasing set up.

It's supposed to run as a company car so I am expecting 80-100k km mileage a year.

What I gather from you, at such mileage I am to expect a lot of troubles down the road.

Seems like the Toyota is for you, buy and drive. Prices range from about 1,400,000 to 1,800,000, depends on what gizmos and engine/trans you want, price comes complete with reliability. 

But he hasn't test driven and experienced the sublime, non-hay wagon bliss of the Everest yet whereas he's already been bouncing around the block plenty of times in rental 'tunas.

 

Posted
5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

But he hasn't test driven and experienced the sublime, non-hay wagon bliss of the Everest yet whereas he's already been bouncing around the block plenty of times in rental 'tunas.

 

Weeeeell, rentals use Fortuners for a very good reason, buy and forget about ploblems for their working ride......????

Posted
10 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

The EcoBlue engine is the replacement for the Duratorq range. Its a Euro6 engine but the AdBlu system is only fitted for markets that have imposed Euro6.

 

I am not a fan of recent Ford designs since their engines appear to be designed by CAD jockeys who have never had oil on their hands. The design objectives are lowest cost and minimum assembly time on the line.  When the EcoBoost (EcoBust to the trade) was launched the belt in oil was supposedly 'lifetime'. Then it was 150k/10 years. Following belt failures Ford (UK) have started saying 100k/10Y.  The things are an unholy nightmare to change. I believe Ford book time is 12 hours plus the kit. Around 1400GBP at a UK dealer!

The crank centre bolt is a stretch bolt that is tightened to 60Nm and then angle tightened 90 degrees a further FIVE times. That equates to something like 500Nm of torque!  Even with a long 3/4" drive bar and adapter we couldn't tightened these so we bought a torque multiplier.  Once the job is completed the oil system has to be primed which involves taking the filter off and messing about.

All this assumes you get to 100k miles first and the engine has not ruined its block through pre-detonation or loss of coolant.  The things are just garbage to be honest.

Regards the 10R80 transmissions, well this is a Ford design and part of a Ford/GM joint venture.  Bear in mind that prior to this Ford had basically given up on autos and were letting ZF design and build for them.  So I find it a bit amusing that they couldn't build a reliable 4 speed but now build a 10 speed. It uses two hydraulic pumps - the second one is because they eliminated the hydraulic accumulator and put an ELECTRIC pump in its place. First I'm not sure I need 10 speeds, second I don't want an electric pump in my gearbox.

In years past I was prepared to put up with bad design and/or inferior reliability if I otherwise liked the vehicle. Being older now I just want stuff that is properly designed and works. 

Ford must be doing something right because they shift plenty of vehicles through to fleets at a 40% discount and still make healthy profits.  I think if you're not keeping the vehicle for the long haul then its fine. If you expect it to be a keeper - say 15 years, then not so much.

Great, factual information.

 

So from a mechanics point of view, the EcoBoost isn't a favorite? Looking at the overall chronology of the EcoBoost development where it entered the market around 2011 before a significant upgrade and redesign around 2015, is this belt 'issue' something from the pre- 2015 era? I understand that the Everest uses one of the more recent derivatives.

 

The hiatus between "couldn't build a reliable 4 speed but now build a 10 speed" suggests that you think their 10-speed will be rubbish? The reality was it was more economical for Ford to design and build engines and drive trains and mate them with the capable ZF shifter rather than try and make their own.  I've seen that sound economic strategy prevail in my own, non-automotive industry where if you can't make something in-house that's significantly better and cheaper than what's already on the shelf, then why bother? The 10-speed box benefits from the many changes in design, components, manufacture and assembly wrought of new technology and better engineering abilities.

 

From a purists (and mechanics?) point of view, maybe you don't need any more than 4 (or 6 ) speeds but hey, if you can get 10 for the price of 6, why not?

 

However, I can agree with you up to a point where too much automation and widgetry can be just so much trouble once that magic 150,000 miles/end of warranty hurtles by. I was reading an article in the UK press last year where the increased costs to even do 'simple' repairs due to the complexity of the control 'modules' used there days are making insurance premiums skyrocket.

Posted
17 minutes ago, transam said:

Weeeeell, rentals use Fortuners for a very good reason, buy and forget about ploblems for their working ride......????

That was fredo's argument a couple of years back too. Absolutely NOTHING to do with substantial fleet discounts through having such a large, local market share that they could devote a fair chunk of inventory and sales effort to the nascent Thai rental car market.

 

As I countered a couple of years back, you see that Ranger/Everest in your Vigo/Fortuner rear view mirror? Yes?

 

Now look again... it's even closer.

 

11 hours ago, HauptmannUK said:

Ford must be doing something right because they shift plenty of vehicles through to fleets at a 40% discount and still make healthy profits. 

 

Posted
6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

That was fredo's argument a couple of years back too. Absolutely NOTHING to do with substantial fleet discounts through having such a large, local market share that they could devote a fair chunk of inventory and sales effort to the nascent Thai rental car market.

 

As I countered a couple of years back, you see that Ranger/Everest in your Vigo/Fortuner rear view mirror? Yes?

 

Now look again... it's even closer.

 

 

Strange all the fleet operators I see use Isuzu or Toyota. A fleet operator has to look at no hassle rides a well as initial cost, Isuzu and Toyota win hands down...

 

Rearview mirror, don't think fleet operators are interested in that stuff, and neither am I..????

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I see on Thai PBS just now that the Ford 2.0 made the news... in the wrong way ...but don’t worry owners the boss of Ford Thailand says he  will sort the problem for you ... just pleased that we have the 3.2L ...I think!

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Posted
8 minutes ago, PFMills said:

I see on Thai PBS just now that the Ford 2.0 made the news... in the wrong way ...but don’t worry owners the boss of Ford Thailand says he  will sort the problem for you ... just pleased that we have the 3.2L ...I think!

Link please, just for my ol' gray cells....????

Posted
8 hours ago, transam said:

Strange all the fleet operators I see use Isuzu or Toyota. A fleet operator has to look at no hassle rides a well as initial cost, Isuzu and Toyota win hands down...

 

Rearview mirror, don't think fleet operators are interested in that stuff, and neither am I..????

I doubt that you over in Ubon or me up her in Udon have any real idea about what national fleet operators are increasingly using.

Posted
23 hours ago, transam said:

Link please, just for my ol' gray cells....????

Possibly this from June last year? It's the first news item in the broadcast.

 

 

Nothing to see here, move along now.

Posted
On 8/24/2020 at 2:29 PM, PFMills said:

I see on Thai PBS just now that the Ford 2.0 made the news... in the wrong way ...but don’t worry owners the boss of Ford Thailand says he  will sort the problem for you ... just pleased that we have the 3.2L ...I think!

Are you referring to the engine oil leaks on the 2.0 engine

https://unseencar.com/drive-maintain-exp/ปัญหา-ford-ranger-กระบะพันธุ์แกร่ง-พร้อมแนะนำวิธีการแก้ไข-aid13008

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Does the Fortuner still have those ridiculous fold up seats in the back? I had on back in 2010 and hated those things so much the I had them removed. Also don't even think about sleeping back there as the floor is so uneven it would be impossible. 

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On 8/24/2020 at 7:03 AM, NanLaew said:

Great, factual information.

 

So from a mechanics point of view, the EcoBoost isn't a favorite? Looking at the overall chronology of the EcoBoost development where it entered the market around 2011 before a significant upgrade and redesign around 2015, is this belt 'issue' something from the pre- 2015 era? I understand that the Everest uses one of the more recent derivatives.

 

The hiatus between "couldn't build a reliable 4 speed but now build a 10 speed" suggests that you think their 10-speed will be rubbish? The reality was it was more economical for Ford to design and build engines and drive trains and mate them with the capable ZF shifter rather than try and make their own.  I've seen that sound economic strategy prevail in my own, non-automotive industry where if you can't make something in-house that's significantly better and cheaper than what's already on the shelf, then why bother? The 10-speed box benefits from the many changes in design, components, manufacture and assembly wrought of new technology and better engineering abilities.

 

From a purists (and mechanics?) point of view, maybe you don't need any more than 4 (or 6 ) speeds but hey, if you can get 10 for the price of 6, why not?

 

However, I can agree with you up to a point where too much automation and widgetry can be just so much trouble once that magic 150,000 miles/end of warranty hurtles by. I was reading an article in the UK press last year where the increased costs to even do 'simple' repairs due to the complexity of the control 'modules' used there days are making insurance premiums skyrocket.

Ford do have something of a reputation of rushing into the market with a half-developed product.  The early EcoBoosts were plagued by a variety of problems, the most notable of which was failure of the coolant degas pipe which wrecked a few engines.  There were also problems with turbo failures and premature belt failure.  The EcoBoost really runs tremendously hot, even in UK climate.  The engines are to all intents and purposes non-repairable.  There are repair procedures, but the parts are very expensive and they are labour-intensive to work on, so finding a secondhand engine is the best way forward.

 

The EcoBlue is obviously a newer design, and one would hope that they have learned from their experiences with the EcoBoost, but its still early days and so I would say that the jury is out.

 

In terms of transmission development, you have actually got it backwards.  Ford and GM got back into designing and making their own transmissions because buying-in was costing them a fortune.  If you know anything about German suppliers like Bosch, ZF etc they do have a reputation for high prices and restrictive supply contracts.

Ford's track-record on automatic transmissions is historically very poor (strangely their manuals have mostly been good).  The CD4E (of which I repaired a few, years ago) - was actually not a bad gearbox when it was running OK, but many components were under-spec'd and the durability was just not there.  It became somewhat legendary among transmission rebuilders.  It was a good 'earner' and a friend of mine who ran a transmission repair workshop always had a Mondeo CD4E 'box in the stores ready to go.

The greatest catastrophe for Ford, was of course the DSP6 dual-clutch Powershift.  Which we now know the engineers within Ford knew was going to be a fiasco but Ford management stupidly pushed into production.  Ford spent about USD50m buying back cars.

 

The 'new' 10R80, when you look at the design, looks very similar to ZF's 8HP 8-speed transmission so it is clear that Ford have looked there for inspiration (i.e. copied 80% of it).  The Ford unit has already got a few owners upset (harsh-shifting on some units apparently).

The motivation for 10-speed transmissions is fleet fuel efficiency.  Ratio change between gears is only about 20% so that (theoretically) the engine can operate with best economy.  This is important because of government legislation relating to fleet fuel economy.  Manufacturers are being pushed into making these 8-10 speed 'boxes (and CVTs).  The ironic thing is that when you drive a 10R80 it is programmed to actually 'skip' gears during normal driving!  So when you accelerate it might go 1-3-5-7-10 depending on how you push the pedal...  If they made that thing use all the gears it would be hunting like a truffle pig.

 

BTW - I am not advocating for Toyota.  They must be laughing all the way to the bank with the Fortuner.  Its basically an adapted pick-up designed for third-world markets and sold at a very inflated price. It does have a rather agricultural feel to the drive - but if you want something for the long-haul, then yeah, probably the best bet.

 

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Did a test ride today with an Everest 2.0 turbo titanium 4x2 a/t and I have to say, in terms of comparing it 1:1 with the Fortuner 2.4G rental car that I drove on the way to the Ford dealership the Everest wins hands down on: suspension comfort and cabin noise. There are worlds inbetween those two models.

With all the information given in this threat, I am very unsure on reliability of the Ford biturbo engine and the transmission, it is a pity that Ford offers unlimited kilometer warranty for the same model in Australia while in Thailand it's not possible to extend the warranty on engine and transmission beyond 150,000km.

I would decide within the blink of an eye for that Everest with a 5 years/unlimited kilometers warranty.

Posted
On 8/27/2020 at 8:58 PM, HauptmannUK said:

Ford do have something of a reputation of rushing into the market with a half-developed product.  The early EcoBoosts were plagued by a variety of problems, the most notable of which was failure of the coolant degas pipe which wrecked a few engines.  There were also problems with turbo failures and premature belt failure.  The EcoBoost really runs tremendously hot, even in UK climate.  The engines are to all intents and purposes non-repairable.  There are repair procedures, but the parts are very expensive and they are labour-intensive to work on, so finding a secondhand engine is the best way forward.

 

The EcoBlue is obviously a newer design, and one would hope that they have learned from their experiences with the EcoBoost, but its still early days and so I would say that the jury is out.

 

In terms of transmission development, you have actually got it backwards.  Ford and GM got back into designing and making their own transmissions because buying-in was costing them a fortune.  If you know anything about German suppliers like Bosch, ZF etc they do have a reputation for high prices and restrictive supply contracts.

Ford's track-record on automatic transmissions is historically very poor (strangely their manuals have mostly been good).  The CD4E (of which I repaired a few, years ago) - was actually not a bad gearbox when it was running OK, but many components were under-spec'd and the durability was just not there.  It became somewhat legendary among transmission rebuilders.  It was a good 'earner' and a friend of mine who ran a transmission repair workshop always had a Mondeo CD4E 'box in the stores ready to go.

The greatest catastrophe for Ford, was of course the DSP6 dual-clutch Powershift.  Which we now know the engineers within Ford knew was going to be a fiasco but Ford management stupidly pushed into production.  Ford spent about USD50m buying back cars.

 

The 'new' 10R80, when you look at the design, looks very similar to ZF's 8HP 8-speed transmission so it is clear that Ford have looked there for inspiration (i.e. copied 80% of it).  The Ford unit has already got a few owners upset (harsh-shifting on some units apparently).

The motivation for 10-speed transmissions is fleet fuel efficiency.  Ratio change between gears is only about 20% so that (theoretically) the engine can operate with best economy.  This is important because of government legislation relating to fleet fuel economy.  Manufacturers are being pushed into making these 8-10 speed 'boxes (and CVTs).  The ironic thing is that when you drive a 10R80 it is programmed to actually 'skip' gears during normal driving!  So when you accelerate it might go 1-3-5-7-10 depending on how you push the pedal...  If they made that thing use all the gears it would be hunting like a truffle pig.

 

BTW - I am not advocating for Toyota.  They must be laughing all the way to the bank with the Fortuner.  Its basically an adapted pick-up designed for third-world markets and sold at a very inflated price. It does have a rather agricultural feel to the drive - but if you want something for the long-haul, then yeah, probably the best bet.

 

Thanks Hauptmann, while I appreciate the input of all participants to this threat yours stand out with regards to background technical expertise.

 

Understand you are neither rooting for Ford nor Toyota. May I ask you, you in my shoes, what SUV would you go for and why?

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On 8/26/2020 at 12:15 PM, Venom said:

Does the Fortuner still have those ridiculous fold up seats in the back? I had on back in 2010 and hated those things so much the I had them removed. Also don't even think about sleeping back there as the floor is so uneven it would be impossible. 

They do and I abhor them as well, quite impractical design solution. In case of getting a Fortuner I would ask the dealership to remove the seats right away.

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1 minute ago, fabruer said:

Did a test ride today with an Everest 2.0 turbo titanium 4x2 a/t and I have to say, in terms of comparing it 1:1 with the Fortuner 2.4G rental car that I drove on the way to the Ford dealership the Everest wins hands down on: suspension comfort and cabin noise. There are worlds inbetween those two models.

With all the information given in this threat, I am very unsure on reliability of the Ford biturbo engine and the transmission, it is a pity that Ford offers unlimited kilometer warranty for the same model in Australia while in Thailand it's not possible to extend the warranty on engine and transmission beyond 150,000km.

I would decide within the blink of an eye for that Everest with a 5 years/unlimited kilometers warranty.

If you are going to keep a ride for a few years then reliability is the key....Toyota.

If you have the cash to chop and change then buy what ticks your boxes, because you can bail.... ????

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9 minutes ago, transam said:

If you are going to keep a ride for a few years then reliability is the key....Toyota.

If you have the cash to chop and change then buy what ticks your boxes, because you can bail.... ????

Understand where you are coming from. As it's actually gonna be a car financed by my employer and thus probably be replaced within 3-5 years I am leaning towards the Everest. Still, 5 years will be anywhere from 250,000km - 500,000km and that could be an expensive disaster for my employer.

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On 8/23/2020 at 8:12 PM, fabruer said:

(the guys at the Ford showroom made some interesting claims with regards to support while the guys at Toyota showroom where a bit clueless to say the least).

I think the above speaks for itself...and the key word is experience!

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