Biden to lay out vision for post-Trump America as he accepts Democratic nomination

[Morch]

7 hours ago, honcho said:

the man is senile... the democrats are corrupt woke socialists who will lick chinas ass! if the democrats win the west loses! not just america. they have no backbone and flip flop about trying to please everyone by changing their stance on nearly everything god save the world if biden wins

 

Insults. Wild accusations. Baseless fearmongering.

About what's expected from a panicked Trump supporter rant.

[Morch]

16 hours ago, Mick501 said:

Democrats and "vision" in the same sentence?  Surely a typo.  Dems will do the same as every other time they've fallen in to power - spend other people's money recklessly, and achieve precisely nothing.  More likely is 4 more years of whining and calling for endless pointless enquiries while President Trump carries on with his mission to make America great again.  

 

Spend other people's money is what all governments do. And "recklessly"? Would that be as in giving tax cut to those who don't need it or just needlessly inflating national debt/deficit? You know....them things Trump actually did. Achieve nothing? And what exactly did Trump accomplish? Short term gains, at best.

 

Four more years of whining? Is this a reference to Trump's endless stream of Tweeter rants and complaints? Pointless inquiries? What...like checking attendance figures at the inauguration? Looking for non-existent illegal immigrant voters? Looking for almost non-existent voting fraud? Imaginary illegal "spying"? It's lucky enough we don't get a rehash of the Benghazi nonsense.

 

President Trump did not make America great. It was already great. None of you Trump supporters could ever clearly explain what this "MAGA" nonsense label actually means - or what Trump means by that Basically, it's just a catchy hollow phrase, a pointless acronym on caps. 

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

7 hours ago, meechai said:

But in 2024 will Joe remember his plan when it is actually post Trump?

As long as it is "Post Trump" I am good with that....

[Tie Dye Samurai]

20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think he’ll mention that ‘Wall’ thang, this time around.

You mean the wall Mexico was going to pay for and Steve Bannon is going to go to jail for?

 

Promises Made, Court Appearances kept...

[Tippaporn]

On 8/21/2020 at 10:20 AM, mtls2005 said:

Very, very, very impressive speech. Well done.

 

Contrast that to trump's rage tweeting during this address.

It's amazing to me what other people see sometimes.  I watched his entire speech and thought it so uncomfortably contrived, full of fluffy words and well worn concepts. almost mimicking Obama's "Yes, we can" 2008 campaign slogan, while not offering any real or practical substance.  I walked away with the impression that a Hollywood B-movie actor could have delivered the speech with more genuine passion.  In all the speech seemed to me to be strained, artificial, forced, unspontaneous (as if reading from a teleprompter), labored and ultimately phony.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In all the speech seemed to me to be strained, artificial, forced, unspontaneous (as if reading from a teleprompter), labored and ultimately phony.

That was exactly how I described Trump's 4th of July Covid Rally from Mt Rushmore...except Biden was more lucid.

[xylophone]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's amazing to me what other people see sometimes.  I watched his entire speech and thought it so uncomfortably contrived, full of fluffy words and well worn concepts. almost mimicking Obama's "Yes, we can" 2008 campaign slogan, while not offering any real or practical substance.  I walked away with the impression that a Hollywood B-movie actor could have delivered the speech with more genuine passion.  In all the speech seemed to me to be strained, artificial, forced, unspontaneous (as if reading from a teleprompter), labored and ultimately phony.

Well he could have done a trump and lied through his teeth, stolen money from charities to pay his campaign bills, and promised to hire "the very best", some of whom are now locked up ......not to mention being so dumb as to make some terrible mistakes that a 10 year old school kid would not make.

 

No, I will settle for Biden and Harris for no other reason than they are better than trump......and the US deserves better than the dumb, lying cheat that is currently in office. 
 

[Isaan sailor]

15 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Trump takes Plan B re-election sales pitch for a test drive in Scranton

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-takes-plan-b-election-210500538.html

A balanced view from Yahoo! News—quite a surprise.  Thanks, Earl.  BTW, did you notice they suspended all Comments there?  Gotta wonder if this is a political move...

[Phoenix Rising]

23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's amazing to me what other people see sometimes.  I watched his entire speech and thought it so uncomfortably contrived, full of fluffy words and well worn concepts. almost mimicking Obama's "Yes, we can" 2008 campaign slogan, while not offering any real or practical substance.  I walked away with the impression that a Hollywood B-movie actor could have delivered the speech with more genuine passion.  In all the speech seemed to me to be strained, artificial, forced, unspontaneous (as if reading from a teleprompter), labored and ultimately phony.

Well, I'm shocked!

 

BTW, here are some people who disagree with you:

'Trouble for Trump as Fox News praises 'enormously effective' Biden speech'

Edited August 22, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[Phoenix Rising]

5 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

A balanced view from Yahoo! News—quite a surprise.  Thanks, Earl.  BTW, did you notice they suspended all Comments there?  Gotta wonder if this is a political move...

How?

[Tagged]

23 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's amazing to me what other people see sometimes. 

Yes, one thing you fot right! It's amaze me to, but of different reasons and caracters as world views

[Tippaporn]

19 hours ago, rcummings said:

 

spoke too soon.

I do wonder how someone is nice  but sometimes creepy. But if you want creepy, you got it

 

My Gawd, is this a counter attempt to paint Trump to be creepier than Joe?  The video showed nothing unusual behaviorally speaking.  What is it with people being aghast at the undeniable fact that as humans we are sexual creatures, that sex is highly pleasurable, and yet we're supposed to pretend it's dirty?  I guess we have, in large part, western religious concepts to blame for that attitude.  There's nothing unnatural about sexual drives.  To the contrary, it's part of who we are.  I'm not implying at all that to force your sexual drives on another (whether male onto female or female onto male) is natural.  That it is not.  But can we get past Victorian sexual mores?

 

Anyway, the Creepy Trump video failed miserably in it's attempt to show Trump's quite natural sexual drives to be perverted.

[mikebike]

20 hours ago, chilli42 said:

 I wonder who is writing this vision for him, clearly he is not.

You are, of course, aware that all politicians employ speechwriters, right?

[Tie Dye Samurai]

21 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Anyway, the Creepy Trump video failed miserably in it's attempt to show Trump's quite natural sexual drives to be perverted.

Yes because we all say that if a woman wasn't our daughter then we would be dating her....swing and a miss big guy...you need to take that defense of Trump back to the shop and polish it up.

[Tippaporn]

20 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Well he could have done a trump and lied through his teeth, stolen money from charities to pay his campaign bills, and promised to hire "the very best", some of whom are now locked up ......not to mention being so dumb as to make some terrible mistakes that a 10 year old school kid would not make.

 

No, I will settle for Biden and Harris for no other reason than they are better than trump......and the US deserves better than the dumb, lying cheat that is currently in office. 

Well at least you freely admit that you're not a supporter of Biden and Harris and would vote their ticket only because you hate Trump.  And it appears, from the Trump examples of you've cited, that you're against lying and corruption and stupidity.  But the fact that Biden has been guilty of all of the same charges it seems you'll happily ignore all of that.  Do you buy the "honest Joe" moniker he's often been given?  LOL

[Morch]

59 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's amazing to me what other people see sometimes.  I watched his entire speech and thought it so uncomfortably contrived, full of fluffy words and well worn concepts. almost mimicking Obama's "Yes, we can" 2008 campaign slogan, while not offering any real or practical substance.  I walked away with the impression that a Hollywood B-movie actor could have delivered the speech with more genuine passion.  In all the speech seemed to me to be strained, artificial, forced, unspontaneous (as if reading from a teleprompter), labored and ultimately phony.

 

If you felt that way about Biden's balanced, if not grand, speech, I can sympathize with the anguish you must got through not only following Trump's words, but actually defending them.

 

As for "offering real or practical substance", that's your view, but guess me and others would still prefer that to the nonsense spewed by the President on a regular basis. If you're having trouble with that, just refer to his various Covid related issues.

 

Don't know that Trump does a better job reading prepared public addresses, but he's certainly got a thing for putting passion over substance, fact, and truth. Day in day out. You're welcome to belittle, ignore or deny this.

 

As noted elsewhere, most senior politicians employ speech writers. Doubt you weren't aware of that.

[Morch]

49 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

A balanced view from Yahoo! News—quite a surprise.  Thanks, Earl.  BTW, did you notice they suspended all Comments there?  Gotta wonder if this is a political move...

 

It's a conspiracy. An apparently pointless one, but still......one takes what one can.

[Morch]

41 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

My Gawd, is this a counter attempt to paint Trump to be creepier than Joe?  The video showed nothing unusual behaviorally speaking.  What is it with people being aghast at the undeniable fact that as humans we are sexual creatures, that sex is highly pleasurable, and yet we're supposed to pretend it's dirty?  I guess we have, in large part, western religious concepts to blame for that attitude.  There's nothing unnatural about sexual drives.  To the contrary, it's part of who we are.  I'm not implying at all that to force your sexual drives on another (whether male onto female or female onto male) is natural.  That it is not.  But can we get past Victorian sexual mores?

 

Anyway, the Creepy Trump video failed miserably in it's attempt to show Trump's quite natural sexual drives to be perverted.

 

I think your position, such as it is, can be summed by paraphrasing a saying by a past President - "It's not creepy is the President does it".

 

Other than that, doubt even Trump's Evangelical troops are comfortable with these images. Carry on.

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Yes because we all say that if a woman wasn't our daughter then we would be dating her....swing and a miss big guy...you need to take that defense of Trump back to the shop and polish it up.

You quote me from a post where I made the point loud and clear that what is an indelible part of who we are has been thoroughly twisted to make something natural appear perverted.  And then you go ahead and do the the exact thing I spoke about.  You really have to be a master at twisting meaning and intention to suggest that the above example is perversion.  My daughter is quite attractive and I've said the almost identical thing about her to her face.  It was meant as a complement.  According to your stated viewpoint you would take my true meaning, reinterpret accordingly to fit your personal twisted views, and claim it was actually and truthfully perverted.  LOL

[Morch]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Well at least you freely admit that you're not a supporter of Biden and Harris and would vote their ticket only because you hate Trump.  And it appears, from the Trump examples of you've cited, that you're against lying and corruption and stupidity.  But the fact that Biden has been guilty of all of the same charges it seems you'll happily ignore all of that.  Do you buy the "honest Joe" moniker he's often been given?  LOL

 

Could you, pretty please, cut it out with the "hate" nonsense? Criticizing Trump, preferring the other side or even not appreciating the President's character are legitimate positions. That you try to belittle and reduce all of these things into some imaginary baseless, mindless "hate" is dishonest. All the more so considering the "hatred" (by your "standards") on offer by Trump and his supporters. Don't recall you having much, if any, issues with that.

 

I don't know that Biden/Harris were/are guilty of all that you claim. You saying so is hardly a fact. But even if it was - there would still be issues of magnitude. Doubt they match Trump on this score. Most people on here that support Biden, do not idolize him. That's just a fake construct you prop so that you can try and equate him with Trump. Fail.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

57 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

My Gawd, is this a counter attempt to paint Trump to be creepier than Joe?  

Attempt?? LOL! 

[Tippaporn]

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

It's a conspiracy. An apparently pointless one, but still......one takes what one can.

LOL  According to you all opposing viewpoints, even those predicated on actual evidence, you label as conspiracy but all of your evidence-lacking conclusions are not conspiracy but actual truth.  The twisted logic is simply too funny.

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, Morch said:

Could you, pretty please, cut it out with the "hate" nonsense? Criticizing Trump, preferring the other side or even not appreciating the President's character are legitimate positions. That you try to belittle and reduce all of these things into some imaginary baseless, mindless "hate" is dishonest. All the more so considering the "hatred" (by your "standards") on offer by Trump and his supporters. Don't recall you having much, if any, issues with that.

 

I don't know that Biden/Harris were/are guilty of all that you claim. You saying so is hardly a fact. But even if it was - there would still be issues of magnitude. Doubt they match Trump on this score. Most people on here that support Biden, do not idolize him. That's just a fake construct you prop so that you can try and equate him with Trump. Fail.

 

LOL  A rose is a rose by any other name.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Attempt?? LOL! 

I'm not claiming that the attempt doesn't work on some people.  It obviously does.  Some, though, are not so easily fooled.

[Phoenix Rising]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Could you, pretty please, cut it out with the "hate" nonsense? Criticizing Trump, preferring the other side or even not appreciating the President's character are legitimate positions. That you try to belittle and reduce all of these things into some imaginary baseless, mindless "hate" is dishonest. All the more so considering the "hatred" (by your "standards") on offer by Trump and his supporters. Don't recall you having much, if any, issues with that.

 

I don't know that Biden/Harris were/are guilty of all that you claim. You saying so is hardly a fact. But even if it was - there would still be issues of magnitude. Doubt they match Trump on this score. Most people on here that support Biden, do not idolize him. That's just a fake construct you prop so that you can try and equate him with Trump. Fail.

 

Very eloquently and succinctly put. Game, set and match.

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL  According to you all opposing viewpoints, even those predicated on actual evidence, you label as conspiracy but all of your evidence-lacking conclusions are not conspiracy but actual truth.  The twisted logic is simply too funny.

 

Why is it that you need to lie? I never claimed "all opposing viewpoints" are conspiracy theories. As for your nonsense "reasoning", unless you're really invested in conspiracy-theory world-view, then most people would expect you to prove such exists, rather than others constantly disproving imaginary conspiracy theories you come up with. Shocking, I know. Back to Logic 101 with you.

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm not claiming that the attempt doesn't work on some people.  It obviously does.  Some, though, are not so easily fooled.

trump is one of the biggest creeps ever. This is just another hilarious instance of you ever-trumpers projecting trump's worst personality traits onto his opponents. Lame, predictable and oh so transparent.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

trump is one of the biggest creeps ever. This is just another hilarious instance of you ever-trumpers projecting trump's worst personality traits onto his opponents. Lame, predictable and oh so transparent.

 

Yep.

In one form or another, I think most of the items bellow were offered up as excuses by Trump apologists, fans and supporters. Unfinished list:

 

Everyone wants to yell "you're fired!" at people.

Everyone wants to grab some.

Everyone wants to date their daughter.

Everyone wants to cheat on their business and financial stuff, SAT tests, golf games and pregnant wives.

Everyone wants to insult, rage and troll on social media.

Everyone wants to say whatever is on their minds, without caring for the consequences.

Everyone wants to brag about whatever. Even if it go little or nothing to do with them.

Everyone wants to be thought of as the smartest person ever. Regardless of being ignorant.

 

And so on and so forth.

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yep.

In one form or another, I think most of the items bellow were offered up as excuses by Trump apologists, fans and supporters. Unfinished list:

 

Everyone wants to yell "you're fired!" at people.

Everyone wants to grab some.

Everyone wants to date their daughter.

Everyone wants to cheat on their business and financial stuff, SAT tests, golf games and pregnant wives.

Everyone wants to insult, rage and troll on social media.

Everyone wants to say whatever is on their minds, without caring for the consequences.

Everyone wants to brag about whatever. Even if it go little or nothing to do with them.

Everyone wants to be thought of as the smartest person ever. Regardless of being ignorant.

 

And so on and so forth.

In short, everyone wants to be a lying, cheating SOB, just like trump.

Which is patently untrue but it speaks volumes about what kind of people the trump base consists of.

[Berkshire]

7 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

In short, everyone wants to be a lying, cheating SOB, just like trump.

Which is patently untrue but it speaks volumes about what kind of people the trump base consists of.

When Trump is out of office...hopefully Jan 2021, someone needs to do some in-depth research into the minds of Trump supporters.  I can understand people who have something to gain, e.g., Fox News, those slimy Republicans in the Senate, coal barons, Putin, etc.  But to the rest, I just want to understand.  I tend to believe there is something seriously wrong with these people. 

Edited August 22, 2020 by Berkshire