Biden to lay out vision for post-Trump America as he accepts Democratic nomination

[ExpatOK]

54 minutes ago, Brigand said:

Biden needs to start coming out with some serious policy which he has been extremely light on thus far. Needs to make there be some clear water between him and Trump as just banging the hate Trump drum might not be enough.

Hate Trump is the whole thing. There is nothing else.

[Morch]

6 hours ago, pedro01 said:

His speech writer, selected by those around Biden, deserve all the praise. 

 

He'll still lose. Moderates will swing to Trump

 

Were you under the impression that most politicians write their own speeches? Kinda doubt it. And while the words may be the speech writer's, the one making the speech and bringing them alive was Biden. It is always labeled _________'s (fill politician name here) speech, speech writer are not usually publicly credited for their work. Part and parcel of the trade.

 

Would like to see some actual support for the last lines' assertions. Not holding my breath.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Biden is just reading what somebody else wrote off an auto screen, lets see how he does in a debate on Tv

 

And so does almost any politician. You making a big deal out of  it is plainly disingenuous. He fared much better at it relative to Trump's efforts at the same. While I don't think he was ever a great debater, it seems that what most Trump supporters imagine when they envisage a "live debate" is more of a insult slinging match. I concede Trump is much better at that. Not sure what it proves, though.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Hate Trump is the whole thing. There is nothing else.

A lot to hate about Trump. 

[Morch]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Interesting. So it's "riots and lawlessness" now? Before they were "largely peaceful protests". Riots is much more accurate. But because they are trying to change the political status quo using violence and intimidation they are IMO more accurately called terrorists. Still, the worst violence and chaos is happening in Portland, Seattle, Chicago(although not on Mayor Lightfoot's block - her family deserve to be safe), NYC and St.Louis which have one thing in common. They are all democrat run. 

 I wonder if the voters in these anarchic states are impressed by the democrat leaders tacit support for those that made the streets unsafe? Guess not.

 

What's interesting is the lows some Trump supporters on here will stoop for. As opposed to your dishonest presentation, there wasn't a wholesale denial of "riots and lawlessness". Asserting that these happen does not imply that most instances were, indeed, "largely peaceful protests".

 

What you wonder about will be decided at the ballot. So far, do you have any reliable information supporting your assertions regarding voting trends?

[Morch]

4 hours ago, pedro01 said:

In democratic governed states that are letting it happen as a political tool.

 

As your post does. 

 

Are you seriously trying to claim Trump did not use the protests, riots and looting for political gains? Really think it's only a Democrat thing? Pretty much any public instance of whatever is utilized in such a manner, but you'll have people believe, against obvious evidence, that Trump is above that?

[Morch]

4 hours ago, pedro01 said:

Most likely it'll push swing voters in those areas to Trumps side. 

 

But don't expect them to voice their opinions. There's a succesful US business woman at the resort I am in that is pro Trump but cannot tell her LA friends as she will lose them. 

 

This is going to be very interesting. I don't think this fear of voicing your opinion has happened before. The secret Trumpsters... 

 

Anecdotal, unverifiable "evidence" is one way to support your "argument". Not a compelling or impressive one, but hey...you do what you gotta do. Guess that if there are such Secret Trumpsters, there must also be

Secret anti-Trumpsters. Could be someone you know, even. Don't let it ruin your day, now.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

alien sperm helping to keep them secret

 

Lefties get it wrong all the time. That's why fighting Covid doesn't go anywhere.

Again - demon sperm, alien DNA. Not too hard, is it?

[Orton Rd]

21 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

And so does almost any politician. You making a big deal out of  it is plainly disingenuous. He fared much better at it relative to Trump's efforts at the same. While I don't think he was ever a great debater, it seems that what most Trump supporters imagine when they envisage a "live debate" is more of a insult slinging match. I concede Trump is much better at that. Not sure what it proves, though.

Trump is an amazing communicator, he does not rely only on spoon fed worked out scripts from others. He would destroy bumbling Joe, a shadow of what he was just 5 years ago. Trump would not need insults either, Joe would probably get confused and wet himself.

[rcummings]

1 minute ago, Orton Rd said:

Trump is an amazing communicator, he does not rely only on spoon fed worked out scripts from others. He would destroy bumbling Joe, a shadow of what he was just 5 years ago. Trump would not need insults either, Joe would probably get confused and wet himself.

But what he largely communicates are falsehoods, whether intentionally (lying) or through ignorance. You don't think he's going to get called on that. And I've heard Biden interviewed recently and he seems capable of offering detailed fact based explanations. Has Trump ever performed similarly?

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on you. Fool me for 44 years oh no problem, you certainly showed you have the answers

 

Obama and biden left the US in a much better position than when then came to power.

 

But agree, he will need all his experience to try and fix the total mess and chaos trump has done.

[Rancid]

In most duopolies the parties take turns wrecking the economy, enriching the same sponsors, and screwing the poor and middle classes.

 

Have no love for Trump, nor his opponent, but as the old saying goes putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change that its still a pig.

 

Sadly the reality is that most politicians are liars, crooks and incompetent. Their only role is to give the rich access to suck the National Treasury dry. Voting blue or red changes absolutely nothing. Bread and circuses.

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, rcummings said:

But what he largely communicates are falsehoods, whether intentionally (lying) or through ignorance. You don't think he's going to get called on that. And I've heard Biden interviewed recently and he seems capable of offering detailed fact based explanations. Has Trump ever performed similarly?

No, not even in court.

[rcummings]

38 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Hate Trump is the whole thing. There is nothing else.

Sure. Nothing. Like healthcare is a nothing. Thanks to Obamacare, millions of people who lost their jobs, still have health insurance. Biden has plans to expand it. The Medicaid portion is so unpopular that even several red states voted it in by referenda over the objections of their Republican legislators and governors. This is the program that Trump wants to abolish. 

As for Trump's plans for his 2nd term, the only thing he's proposed so far is to further lower capital gains taxes on the rich. Ya think that's gonna win him votes?

[rcummings]

2 minutes ago, Rancid said:

In most duopolies the parties take turns wrecking the economy, enriching the same sponsors, and screwing the poor and middle classes.

 

Have no love for Trump, nor his opponent, but as the old saying goes putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change that its still a pig.

 

Sadly the reality is that most politicians are liars, crooks and incompetent. Their only role is to give the rich access to suck the National Treasury dry. Voting blue or red changes absolutely nothing. Bread and circuses.

Tell that to the 20 million people who got health insurance because of Obamacare. Tell that to the millions more who got it in the wake of Covid after they lost their jobs..

In fact, taxes on the rich went up under Obama.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

I thought he outlined the main ones quite clearly;-

1. First day in office, get on top of the pandemic.

2. Make sure medicare and Obamacare are protected.

3. Unite the country.

 

If however you want to hear his policies on 46 other main issues (from opening the schools safely to bankruptcy reform) you can read them all here https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/. 

Thanks for posting the policies of Joe Biden, and they contrast quite markedly against those which trump touted in his campaign, and a classic would be to MAGA by bringing manufacturing back to the US, all the while getting his campaign gear made in China, along with his daughter Ivanka getting her "fashion clothes, manufactured there also!!!

 

Many more, but following on from a post by Berkshire when he wondered what was in the minds of people  supporting trump, perhaps the following will explain a lot...... 

 

He rode the wave of racism/immigration, even going so far as to call Mexicans "drug dealers, criminals and rapists", and the rednecks and simpleminded jumped on that bandwagon. He also told these simple souls that he was going to build a wall to keep these criminals out and that Mexico was going to pay for the wall, yeah right, how's that going.

 

He promised tax cuts which got the simpleminded followers salivating at the thought, however the tax cuts have mostly benefited the wealthy and cronies of his.

 

He promised to scrap Obamacare, again which got the rednecks and simpleminded followers salivating at the fact that he was going to undo something that a "black president" had put in place, but has been unable to do so and has tried to put in place other measures, which by and large are clumsy and unsuccessful.

 

He has made enemies of allies, which wasn't exactly what he promised, but what he got through his heavy-handed dealings with long-standing allies.

 

Not then, but later on he labelled the Democrats as far left and "commies" as have many posters here who support this idiot, however they are mindful to overlook the fact that the report a couple of days ago from the GOP, on the so-called Russian interference in trumps election, they state that........

 

"GOP-led Senate panel details ties between 2016 Trump campaign and Russian interference".
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12357718 

A sprawling report released Tuesday by a Republican-controlled Senate panel that spent three years investigating Russia's 2016 election interference laid out an extensive web of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and Russian government officials and other Russians, including some with ties to the country's intelligence services.
The report showed extensive evidence of contacts between Trump campaign advisers and people tied to the Kremlin — including a long-standing associate of onetime Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, whom the report identifies as a "Russian intelligence officer."

So now we have the strange situation where Trump and his supporters label the Democrats as lefties and communists, yet quite happily turned to these very same communists to help get him elected – – irony? Stupidity? Or just typical of the mindset of him and these simple folk.

Just to round this off, this idiot in the White House has broken a huge percentage of the promises he made upon being elected, but there again that is in keeping with the compulsive liar in chief, and I suspect it's a trait that many others follow.
 

[johnnybangkok]

7 minutes ago, Rancid said:

In most duopolies the parties take turns wrecking the economy, enriching the same sponsors, and screwing the poor and middle classes.

 

Have no love for Trump, nor his opponent, but as the old saying goes putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change that its still a pig.

 

Sadly the reality is that most politicians are liars, crooks and incompetent. Their only role is to give the rich access to suck the National Treasury dry. Voting blue or red changes absolutely nothing. Bread and circuses.

This is completely untrue.

Firstly, 9 of the last 10 recessions (10 out of 11 if you include this one) have been under Republicans.

As Forbes magazine said - 'It is simply a fact that since World War II, Democratic presidents have seen 24.4 million more jobs created on their watch—an average of 78.6% more jobs created per year of Democratic administrations—than have Republican presidents. Ditto real GDP growth, 44% higher under Democratic presidents. On the flip side, unemployment has been 18% higher under GOP presidents. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#585f04ce6786

 

Dems Vs Repubs by the numbers. *last 50 yrs  

Years held Presidency: -       Repub- 28yrs,                  Dem- 22 yrs

Total jobs created:-             Repub- 24 Million,             Dem- 42 Million

Stock market return:-          Repub- 109%,                   Dem- 992% 

GDP:-                                 Repub- 2.7%,                    Dem- 4.1% 

Income growth:-                 Rep- 0.6%                        Dem- 2.2%

(source politico, bloomberg, USDL, figures up to 2016)

 

You simply cannot say that the economy is the same with either party when the actual figures show a very different story.  Despite Bush's tax cuts, less federal income, The 'War on Terror' and of course the near melt down of the economy, Obama eventually got the budget deficit down to $666 Billion in 2017. Despite a souring economy, the budget deficit under Trump was $779 Billion in 2018, rising to over a $Trillion in 2019 and way, way over this in 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/#196061064819.

He has already got the National Debt to a staggering $23 trillion ($3 trillion extra in a booming economy thanks to his tax cuts), and that's not even counting the cost of covid. https://www.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-trump-how-it-compares-obama-bush-clinton-2019-11 eview.com/2018/07/trump-budget-deficits-growing-big-spending-fiscal-irresponsibility/ 

 

If you want to sort out a GOP mess, best to put a Democrat in.

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

Hate Trump is the whole thing. There is nothing else.

It's enough.

[earlinclaifornia]

On 8/22/2020 at 12:56 PM, Isaan sailor said:

A balanced view from Yahoo! News—quite a surprise.  Thanks, Earl.  BTW, did you notice they suspended all Comments there?  Gotta wonder if this is a political move...

July 23, 2020 is when they discontinued, so a month now. They include most all Fox News Opinion videos and National Review articles. It seemed to me that the Russians left a while ago. 

[xylophone]

18 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

This is completely untrue.

Firstly, 9 of the last 10 recessions (10 out of 11 if you include this one) have been under Republicans.

As Forbes magazine said - 'It is simply a fact that since World War II, Democratic presidents have seen 24.4 million more jobs created on their watch—an average of 78.6% more jobs created per year of Democratic administrations—than have Republican presidents. Ditto real GDP growth, 44% higher under Democratic presidents. On the flip side, unemployment has been 18% higher under GOP presidents. 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/11/07/trump-is-right-about-one-thing-the-economy-does-better-under-the-democrats/#585f04ce6786

 

Dems Vs Repubs by the numbers. *last 50 yrs  

Years held Presidency: -       Repub- 28yrs,                  Dem- 22 yrs

Total jobs created:-             Repub- 24 Million,             Dem- 42 Million

Stock market return:-          Repub- 109%,                   Dem- 992% 

GDP:-                                 Repub- 2.7%,                    Dem- 4.1% 

Income growth:-                 Rep- 0.6%                        Dem- 2.2%

(source politico, bloomberg, USDL, figures up to 2016)

 

You simply cannot say that the economy is the same with either party when the actual figures show a very different story.  Despite Bush's tax cuts, less federal income, The 'War on Terror' and of course the near melt down of the economy, Obama eventually got the budget deficit down to $666 Billion in 2017. Despite a souring economy, the budget deficit under Trump was $779 Billion in 2018, rising to over a $Trillion in 2019 and way, way over this in 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-deficits-are-racing-past-obamas/#196061064819.

He has already got the National Debt to a staggering $23 trillion ($3 trillion extra in a booming economy thanks to his tax cuts), and that's not even counting the cost of covid. https://www.businessinsider.com/national-debt-deficit-trump-how-it-compares-obama-bush-clinton-2019-11 eview.com/2018/07/trump-budget-deficits-growing-big-spending-fiscal-irresponsibility/ 

 

If you want to sort out a GOP mess, best to put a Democrat in.

Wonderful research JohnnyB........look forward to your informative posts, but the problem we have with printing facts and the truth, is that trumpies will/do not see them as they live in an "alternative trumpian reality" 

 

None so blind as those who will not see.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, Brigand said:

Biden needs to start coming out with some serious policy which he has been extremely light on thus far. Needs to make there be some clear water between him and Trump as just banging the hate Trump drum might not be enough.

 

Posters need to start listening, reading and watching stuff. Getting informed, like. Then they wouldn't make themselves look hyper-biased and silly alleging such nonsense as "extremely light" on policy. It isn't really that hard finding such information, even if one avoids links offered on these topics.

 

The only ones banging on the "hate" drum are Trump supporters. That's the auto-label used for any and all criticism leveled at Trump.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

Hate Trump is the whole thing. There is nothing else.

 

More like another Trump supporter on this forum who plainly ignores numerous detailed posts addressing actual issues with Trump's policies, conduct and character. Ignoring the facts, lumping it all together, and labeling it all as "hate" is just a cop out.

 

That "there is nothing else" is patently untrue.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Trump is an amazing communicator, he does not rely only on spoon fed worked out scripts from others. He would destroy bumbling Joe, a shadow of what he was just 5 years ago. Trump would not need insults either, Joe would probably get confused and wet himself.

 

Trump is a salesman. He's a fast, if not eloquent, talker. If that's what being an "amazing" communicator is for you, you're welcome to Trump. I would have thought that having a wee bit more of an actual handle on the things discussed would matter, or that not resorting to false statements so often would carry at least some weight, and even that the style of presentation matters. Guess many Trump supporters do not care much about all that, so long as a good show is provided.

 

As for "not need insults", you somehow managed to follow that bit of counterfactual assertion with an yet another insult of your own. Carry on.

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Rancid said:

In most duopolies the parties take turns wrecking the economy, enriching the same sponsors, and screwing the poor and middle classes.

 

Have no love for Trump, nor his opponent, but as the old saying goes putting lipstick on a pig doesn't change that its still a pig.

 

Sadly the reality is that most politicians are liars, crooks and incompetent. Their only role is to give the rich access to suck the National Treasury dry. Voting blue or red changes absolutely nothing. Bread and circuses.

 

No, they are not same-same. Get informed instead of being opinionated.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Trump is an amazing communicator, he does not rely only on spoon fed worked out scripts from others. He would destroy bumbling Joe, a shadow of what he was just 5 years ago. Trump would not need insults either, Joe would probably get confused and wet himself.

You have to be joking - how can a president be classified as an 'amazing communicator' with a record of more than 20,000 false and misleading comments since coming to power.

 

Some recent 'amazing communications'...

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-23/donald-trump-accuses-fda-deep-state-of-slowing-covid-trials/12586802

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/donald-trump-democrats-god-pledge

[johnnybangkok]

5 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Why would I want to see anything the Trump hating ABC and even worse the Guardian have to say? They are not reporters any longer they are political activists with an agenda

You could try posting some facts yourself then. Not just your usual platitudes and name calling. 

[simple1]

8 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Why would I want to see anything the Trump hating ABC and even worse the Guardian have to say? They are not reporters any longer they are political activists with an agenda

The links are not opinion pieces, it's actual news reporting, also in a number of other media outlets - however if lack of facts keeps you happy, so be it

Edited August 23, 2020 by simple1

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Wonderful research JohnnyB........look forward to your informative posts, but the problem we have with printing facts and the truth, is that trumpies will/do not see them as they live in an "alternative trumpian reality" 

 

None so blind as those who will not see.

They're not really for Trump fans. They just refuse to be informed and of course when they are they just shout 'fake news' anyway. It's more for my own benefit. I'm a big believer in you're welcome to your own opinions but you're not welcome to your own facts. Being informed is the way through all this mess and will hopefully lead to better solutions.

If I manage to 'help' a Trump fan question their 'faith' along the way, well thats just an added bonus.

Edited August 23, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[ExpatOK]

On 8/21/2020 at 11:36 AM, Jingthing said:

The best speech Biden has ever made. Now that's how a president should be. For all the people not only her fans. 

 

If he doesn't overcome the guaranteed dirty tricks of loser 45 we can write off American democracy as done and dusted. 

The speech was a joke like Biden himself. He turned off the small Dem triple-digit IQ crowd with his statement about climate change.

[pedro01]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Were you under the impression that most politicians write their own speeches? Kinda doubt it. And while the words may be the speech writer's, the one making the speech and bringing them alive was Biden. It is always labeled _________'s (fill politician name here) speech, speech writer are not usually publicly credited for their work. Part and parcel of the trade.

 

Would like to see some actual support for the last lines' assertions. Not holding my breath.

 

So he's a good reader? 

So is my 10 year old.