Father speaks out on daughter’s death at Phuket university

[rooster59]

Father speaks out on daughter’s death at Phuket university

By Eakkapop Thongtub

 

Mr Khanong speaking at the family home in Koh Kaew earlier today (Aug 21). Photo: Eakkapop Thongtub

 

PHUKET: Khanong Iaddam, the 43-year-old father of Pornpiphat ‘Mint’ Iaddam, a 20-year-old first-year student at Phuket Rajabhat University who collapsed after being told to keep running during a training session with the cheerleading squad on Wednesday, today (Aug 21) spoke to the press about his daughter’s death.

 

Speaking from the family home in Koh Kaew, Mr Khanong explained that at around 7pm on Wednesday (Aug 19), he was informed that his daughter was taken to Vachira Phuket Hospital and that her heart had stopped beating for 16 minutes before reaching the hospital.

 

Despite the best efforts of doctors and other medical staff at the hospital, they were not able to revive her, Mr Khanong said.

 

Full story: https://www.thephuketnews.com/father-speaks-out-on-daughter-death-at-phuket-university-77071.php

 

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[Matzzon]

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Quoted from The Phuket News: President of Phuket Rajabhat University, Hiran Prasarnkarn, earlier today insisted that the death had nothing to do with a hazing ritual. She collapsed during a warm-up run for cheerleading practice

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Quoted from The Phuket News: My daughter’s friend told me that senior students ordered them to run five laps around a pond [speaking in Thai, Mr Khanong used the word “สระ”], but my daughter could not finish it.

To me the two quotes above do not mix. You do not order people to warm up more than that they feel warm and ready. That´s like the pure meaning with a warm up.

 

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Quoted from The Phuket News: However, Mr Hiran did not explain whether or not the students chosen to perform the laps as a warm-up were only the first-year students joining the cheerleading squad.

And, then again. Above is the clear answer. No explanation needed. It´s HAZING!

Edited August 22, 2020 by Matzzon

[tandor]

RIP young woman.

[hotchilli]

9 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Speaking from the family home in Koh Kaew, Mr Khanong explained that at around 7pm on Wednesday (Aug 19), he was informed that his daughter was taken to Vachira Phuket Hospital and that her heart had stopped beating for 16 minutes before reaching the hospital.

It's a shame that no-one at Phuket Rajabhat University had any first aid response training or a defibrillator on site, she might have had a chance to survive?

[cardinalblue]

Are they not required a health physical prior to doing an organized and school functioned physical exercise program?

 

yeah I know, who is driving the bus?

[BritManToo]

Just now, cardinalblue said:

Are they not required a health physical prior to doing an organized and school functioned physical exercise program?

 

yeah I know, who is driving the bus?

Did you ever have a health test at school or university?

I certainly didn't.

[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Did you ever have a health test at school or university?

I certainly didn't.

In the US, it is mandatory to have a physical prior to joining any type of team sport, of which cheerleading is considered a team sport based upon the types of activities they perform.  Every year whether I was playing Baseball, Football, or on the track team I had to submit a medical form.  The same went for my children, as well as for playing recreational sports or doing recreational activities such as Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4H.  However, with having a physical prior to starting the activities or joining a team, it never failed that the doctor seen missed something.  Not sure here in Thailand if a physical is required for sporting activities or such.  I do know that my daughter had to have a physical before starting school and a vaccination record was needed to be shown, but then that was at an international school.

[brianthainess]

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Did you ever have a health test at school or university?

I certainly didn't.

YES At school in the UK we had a medical every year from age 11yr.

[Tony125]

18 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Are they not required a health physical prior to doing an organized and school functioned physical exercise program?

 

yeah I know, who is driving the bus?

There may have been nothing wrong with her heart. Running in extreme heat can cause an electrolyte imbalance in the blood stream if salt and water are not replaced.  Marathon runners  take  sports drinks such as Gatorade or water along their routes to replace loss of sodium and water from sweating. They do not drink just water as they will lose to much sodium from sweat causing an imbalnce in their system which can cause them to collapse.

Can an electrolyte imbalance cause a heart attack?

Severe electrolyte imbalances can cause serious problems such as coma, seizures, and cardiac arrest.

 

[johnnybangkok]

On 8/22/2020 at 7:04 AM, Matzzon said:

To me the two quotes above do not mix. You do not order people to warm up more than that they feel warm and ready. That´s like the pure meaning with a warm up.

 

And, then again. Above is the clear answer. No explanation needed. It´s HAZING!

Way to add 2 and 2 together to make 5. Running 5 laps around a pond for your average 20 year should not normally present too many problems and would certainly not be considering 'hazing' in most peoples books.

Please do not try and sensationalise a very tragic incident which is much more likely based on a pre-existing medical condition than anything nefarious.   

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Way to add 2 and 2 together to make 5. Running 5 laps around a pond for your average 20 year should not normally present too many problems and would certainly not be considering 'hazing' in most peoples books.

Please do not try and sensationalise a very tragic incident which is much more likely based on a pre-existing medical condition than anything nefarious.   

As She was "ordered" to run, by older students , that would make it "hazing" 

[Moonlover]

This was the paragraph in the article that shocked me:

 

“Then two friends took her on a motorbike to Vachira Phuket Hospital by having her sitting in the middle between the rider and another friend.”

 

No resus and no transport or emergency response protocol. Seems that this university is sadly lacking in its duty of care!

 

Edited August 23, 2020 by Moonlover

[johnnybangkok]

25 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

As She was "ordered" to run, by older students , that would make it "hazing" 

What, and you were never 'ordered' to do things by older students when you were at school? It's running around a pond; not getting tied up and whacked by wooden paddles.

 

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

What, and you were never 'ordered' to do things by older students when you were at school? It's running around a pond; not getting tied up and whacked by wooden paddles.

 

I wasnt , no.

This story depends on whether the deceased was either forced to run, or just asked to run .

"Can you run around the pond five times" or "Run around the pond five times or we will throw you in the pond"

[Matzzon]

46 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Way to add 2 and 2 together to make 5. Running 5 laps around a pond for your average 20 year should not normally present too many problems and would certainly not be considering 'hazing' in most peoples books.

Please do not try and sensationalise a very tragic incident which is much more likely based on a pre-existing medical condition than anything nefarious.   

Where have you read about any pre existing medical conditions as a ground for this death? In that case I do believe that it´s you that are drawing your own conclusions without even a little shred of evidence. With that thin skin on your feet it seems very foolish of you to criticise my post.

 

I drew the conclusion that it was hazing, due to the fact that only fresh students were ordered to run the laps around the pond and that the principal did oversee to mention that or explain it in his conclusion that it was not hazing.

[Matzzon]

14 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

What, and you were never 'ordered' to do things by older students when you were at school? It's running around a pond; not getting tied up and whacked by wooden paddles.

 

No, I wasn´t ordered to do anything either. You seem to believe that it´s the right thing to get ordered to do things by other students. Whenever did that become a part of school and education? It´s only fools that do these things and people with lack of intelligence and an urge for temporary power that demands it.

[Matzzon]

56 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Please do not try and sensationalise a very tragic incident

Please do not try to overlook a result of a stupid thing that could easily been avoided by the use of common sense and care instead of power hunger.

[johnnybangkok]

59 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Where have you read about any pre existing medical conditions as a ground for this death? In that case I do believe that it´s you that are drawing your own conclusions without even a little shred of evidence. With that thin skin on your feet it seems very foolish of you to criticise my post.

 

I drew the conclusion that it was hazing, due to the fact that only fresh students were ordered to run the laps around the pond and that the principal did oversee to mention that or explain it in his conclusion that it was not hazing.

So it's ok for you to draw a conclusion its hazing despite the fact it was denied by the principal but I can't draw a conclusion of a pre-existing medical condition when a 20 year old dies whilst running around a pond? My evidence is 20 year olds don't normally die when running around a pond 5 times. My evidence is none of the other students died whilst running around the pond. This poor young lady did so it's more likely (not definate of course) that's there's something else there that's particular to her and that usually (not definate of course) means a pre-existing condition.

You may be correct it was hazing (although I would still contest it's a very gentle hazing), I may be correct it's a pre-existing condition. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. 

 

[richard_smith237]

21 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Are they not required a health physical prior to doing an organized and school functioned physical exercise program?

 

yeah I know, who is driving the bus?

 

I didn’t need any form or heath or physical check up prior to playing football for my Uni in the UK. 

 

Perhaps it's a good idea, but its not something I’d be judgmental against Thailand or its Uni’s for. 

 

 

This news does indicate a form of Hazing (i.e. seniors getting juniors to perform unpleasant acts), but in this case it was a run. I wonder if the deceased girl had any undiagnosed congenital heart defect.

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Matzzon said:

No, I wasn´t ordered to do anything either. You seem to believe that it´s the right thing to get ordered to do things by other students. Whenever did that become a part of school and education? It´s only fools that do these things and people with lack of intelligence and an urge for temporary power that demands it.

Who said anything about it being the 'right thing' or 'become a part of school and education'? That's you saying that not me. 

And that must have been a lovely school you went to where no older pupils ordered younger pupils around. Those of us who went to normal schools unfortunately encountered this on a regular basis often followed by a clip round the ear or worse for non-compliance. It was called bullying. It wasn't nice; should be condemned but happened none the less. Just for clarity (since you seem to be so confused with my intentions), I'm not advocating for it.   

[ChouDoufu]

21 hours ago, cardinalblue said:

Are they not required a health physical prior to doing an organized and school functioned physical exercise program?

 

yeah I know, who is driving the bus?

 

the health test would likely be the same 5-minute-100-baht "if breathing, you pass" physical test required for motor vehicle licenses.

[Matzzon]

26 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Who said anything about it being the 'right thing' or 'become a part of school and education'? That's you saying that not me. 

And that must have been a lovely school you went to where no older pupils ordered younger pupils around. Those of us who went to normal schools unfortunately encountered this on a regular basis often followed by a clip round the ear or worse for non-compliance. It was called bullying. It wasn't nice; should be condemned but happened none the less. Just for clarity (since you seem to be so confused with my intentions), I'm not advocating for it.   

The only thing that is confusing me, is that you are saying it is not right. None the less you did not refuse it in school. Unfathomable! 

[Matzzon]

35 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

So it's ok for you to draw a conclusion its hazing despite the fact it was denied by the principal but I can't draw a conclusion of a pre-existing medical condition when a 20 year old dies whilst running around a pond? My evidence is 20 year olds don't normally die when running around a pond 5 times. My evidence is none of the other students died whilst running around the pond. This poor young lady did so it's more likely (not definate of course) that's there's something else there that's particular to her and that usually (not definate of course) means a pre-existing condition.

You may be correct it was hazing (although I would still contest it's a very gentle hazing), I may be correct it's a pre-existing condition. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. 

 

I had the quotes to back it up. What do you have to back up your conclusion? NOTHING!

[johnnybangkok]

55 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only thing that is confusing me, is that you are saying it is not right. None the less you did not refuse it in school. Unfathomable! 

'Refuse it'? I'm not sure you quite understand how bullying works.

[ChaiyaTH]

23 hours ago, hotchilli said:

It's a shame that no-one at Phuket Rajabhat University had any first aid response training or a defibrillator on site, she might have had a chance to survive?

Yes but they are short on even ambulances in the first place. They even heavily rely on volunteers with that end. Let alone for them to get AEDs everywhere...
There is more luxury 4M baht Alphards vans driving around rich people than there are decent ambulances.

Edited August 23, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[Sujo]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

What, and you were never 'ordered' to do things by older students when you were at school? It's running around a pond; not getting tied up and whacked by wooden paddles.

 

It killed her, and no i was never ordered to do anything by any students.

[Matzzon]

52 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

'Refuse it'? I'm not sure you quite understand how bullying works.

Pathetic comment! If you stand up for yourself and refuse to be bullied.......ops! Nevermind, sounds like you never realized how that works. ????

 

Gratulations for taking the 5h1t! And some people says that there is no backbone in this country. ????

[Tony125]

2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Pathetic comment! If you stand up for yourself and refuse to be bullied.......ops! Nevermind, sounds like you never realized how that works. ????

 

Gratulations for taking the 5h1t! And some people says that there is no backbone in this country. ????

Don't know if any of you have ever done high school or University Sports and yes I have been ordered by a coach or Team Capt (track) to do certain exercises or run courses. When as a senior I became Track Capt I would set up a schedual  (sometimes with the coach) and order certain students to do certain exercises or run certain courses depending on what I thought they could handle. Bullying had nothing to do with it you gave oders after 4 years of training and expirience to lower classmates to follow, If they didn't agree fine see the coach.

On the first day of practice all new members would do jumping jacks till they couldn't do anymore. we knew what older members could do but not the new ones. Some could do only 50 others 300 plus. We then seperated the groups and devloped programs for each to do.

As I mentioned in previous post she probably died from Electrolyte Imbalance caused by running in the heat and not replacing water and salt (electrolyte)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/too-hot-to-handle-the-dangers-of-running-in-the-heat/

[johnnybangkok]

50 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Pathetic comment! If you stand up for yourself and refuse to be bullied.......ops! Nevermind, sounds like you never realized how that works. ????

 

Gratulations for taking the 5h1t! And some people says that there is no backbone in this country. ????

Oooh, you're hard!

 

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oooh, you're hard!

 

You bet, boy! But I´ve never bullied anybody because of that. I help people instead.

Edited August 23, 2020 by Matzzon