Prominent Republicans throw weight behind Biden as Trump's convention opens

[riclag]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

Prominent

Hey reuters !How prominent is a former that had the 3rd highest disapproval rating out of 100 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/azdc/2017/07/15/how-much-re-election-trouble-sen-jeff-flake-really-in/480665001/

 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Notice how not a word has been spoken of ongoing riots and the democratic response. I know - 

These riots are for the President to response. After all this happening under his watch and his leadership style may be the reason stoking the disturbances. 

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Sound like a party in lots of trouble, in-fightings and not at all cohesive. Doesn’t augur well for their chances in the election. 

 

Well it's not really the Republican Party anymore.

 

Spiffy "platform" though. Ramp accessible.

 

 

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/RESOLUTION_REGARDING_THE_REPUBLICAN_PARTY_PLATFORM.pdf?_ga=2.109560193.504857691.1598219603-2087748323.1598219603

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

Hey reuters !How prominent is a former that had the 3rd highest disapproval rating out of 100 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/azdc/2017/07/15/how-much-re-election-trouble-sen-jeff-flake-really-in/480665001/

 

I think they mean "prominent" in the minds of Democrat Party voters.

[Tippaporn]

Lovely headline:

 

Trump sets convention tone by claiming without evidence Democrats will steal election

Whenever the MSM tries to refute the massive potential existing for mail-in voter fraud due to mass mailings when Trump raises it it is always with the line *without evidence.*   Here the headline goes so far to infer that Trump is saying the Dems "will steal election," although in their piece they bring it back to reality and say, "will seek to steal the election."  But hey, you might fool some people with that erroneous headline.  In fact, it's already worked as I just read a post above that repeats the "will steal" wording.

 

I want to make note, too, that mass mailings of ballots to every person on the voter rolls, living, dead or non-existent, has never been done before.  So how can you even make the claim "without evidence?"  On the other hand there have already been some other elections which have devolved into mayhem due to using mass mailings (Trump has mentioned some of these several times) so perhaps evidence has presented itself already.

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

These riots are for the President to response. After all this happening under his watch and his leadership style may be the reason stoking the disturbances. 

You can't possibly be so disingenuous as to make the claim that riots in cities are the responsibility of Trump to respond to.  What the function of a mayor or city council then?  Think of the sheer number of cities in the U.S.  How can any one man be responsible for all them?  That's an impossible feat.  Besides, he'd love to respond if it were within his purview and he's offered mayors to clean it up in 48 hours.  It's the mayors who allow it, and in some cases even support it (until the "protesters" threaten their own domicile . . . then they'll make sure they have public protection).

 

If your rationale that moving the Feds in to legitimately protect federal property is "stoking" the disturbances then please explain why they are still ongoing.

[Berkshire]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You can't possibly be so disingenuous as to make the claim that riots in cities are the responsibility of Trump to respond to.  What the function of a mayor or city council then?  Think of the sheer number of cities in the U.S.  How can any one man be responsible for all them? 

If the President is not responsible for riots in the city, then Trump's claim that a Biden-Presidency would result in riots and lawlessness in the cities is totally false.  Because, as you say, "How can any one man be responsible for all them?"

[Sujo]

Just watched the rnc. Pretty run of the mill, nothing outstanding, kind of a normal convention speeches.

 

A couple of things. Kim guillfoyle should never be asked to speak again, she really came of as unhinged.

 

Trump looked very awkward and didnt come over well at all. would be better if he just stayed out of it until the end.

 

repubs blasted dems for some pre recorded speeches yet only 3 speeches tonite were live. 

[Berkshire]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Just watched the rnc. Pretty run of the mill, nothing outstanding, kind of a normal convention speeches.

 

A couple of things. Kim guillfoyle should never be asked to speak again, she really came of as unhinged.

 

Trump looked very awkward and didnt come over well at all. would be better if he just stayed out of it until the end.

 

repubs blasted dems for some pre recorded speeches yet only 3 speeches tonite were live. 

Covering the RNC is going to be a fact-checking nightmare.  Especially when Trump opens his mouth. 

[Tagged]

Just looked det Trumps convention speaches, hill hill hill the emperor,  what a fantastic piece of Propaganda they managed to put together. 

 

Promisses, lies, testomonies And scare tactics. Well done, Im sure this will bring him up there with great numbers and he might serve another 4 years. Embrace for impact. 

[Tippaporn]

17 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

If the President is not responsible for riots in the city, then Trump's claim that a Biden-Presidency would result in riots and lawlessness in the cities is totally false.  Because, as you say, "How can any one man be responsible for all them?"

Show me a quote.  A search produces nothing.

 

The last time Joe Biden mentioned riots was June 4th and he used the opportunity only to condemn President Trump’s reaction to them.  As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote.

[rcummings]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Show me a quote.  A search produces nothing.

 

The last time Joe Biden mentioned riots was June 4th and he used the opportunity only to condemn President Trump’s reaction to them.  As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote.

Don't know what search engine you're using. Took me all of a minute to find this:

In a Medium post published early Sunday morning (full post below), Biden said “protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not. Violence that guts and shutters businesses that serve the community is not.”

https://variety.com/2020/politics/news/george-floyd-protests-joe-biden-responds-1234621326/

[rcummings]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Show me a quote.  A search produces nothing.

 

The last time Joe Biden mentioned riots was June 4th and he used the opportunity only to condemn President Trump’s reaction to them.  As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote.

Here's another:

 “We should never let what’s done in a march for equal rights overcome what the reason for the march is. And that’s what these folks are doing. And they should be arrested — found, arrested and tried.”

https://nypost.com/2020/07/28/biden-violent-protesters-should-be-arrested-and-tried/

Oh...and you're welcome.

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You can't possibly be so disingenuous as to make the claim that riots in cities are the responsibility of Trump to respond to.  What the function of a mayor or city council then?  Think of the sheer number of cities in the U.S.  How can any one man be responsible for all them?  That's an impossible feat.  Besides, he'd love to respond if it were within his purview and he's offered mayors to clean it up in 48 hours.  It's the mayors who allow it, and in some cases even support it (until the "protesters" threaten their own domicile . . . then they'll make sure they have public protection).

 

If your rationale that moving the Feds in to legitimately protect federal property is "stoking" the disturbances then please explain why they are still ongoing.

As the Commander-in-chief and the chief citizen of the country, his action can calm or incite the protests and riots. He has the chance to be presidential and used a measured approach by giving guidance and help to the local administrators especially positions held by the Dems. Instead his approach has been uneven and even used violent, ugly rhetoric and intimidation on the protesters and local administrators. He has created a toxic situation of only blame, threats and created an unworkable relationship between the federal and Dem state officials. Some of his tweets are simply not conducive to ending the protests like he tweets "when the looting starts the shooting starts", language that inflame an already combustible situation and again not appear to be the President for all Americans.  

[Sujo]

29 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Covering the RNC is going to be a fact-checking nightmare.  Especially when Trump opens his mouth. 

Funny you should say that. The very first taped comment from trump was.....I have kept every promise.

 

A lie in his first spoken words.

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I have kept every promise.

 

Imagine he said that to all three wives?

 

 

Didn't lock her up

Didn't build a wall

Didn't repeal and replace ACA

Didn't drain the swamp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by mtls2005

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Show me a quote.  A search produces nothing.

 

The last time Joe Biden mentioned riots was June 4th and he used the opportunity only to condemn President Trump’s reaction to them.  As far as I know Biden has never spoken out against the riots or BLM or Antifa.  He doesn't have the character to stand for any principle and most assuredly does not want to alienate these thugs.  Afterall, he needs their vote.

Fine people on both sides

[rcummings]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Funny you should say that. The very first taped comment from trump was.....I have kept every promise.

 

A lie in his first spoken words.

Are you saying that Trump didn't fulfill his promise to let Medicare negotiate drug prices?

Or to come up with a beautiful health care bill?

Or institute a 1 trillion dollar infrastructure program?

Not fair.

 

[Blue Muton]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Do you have evidence to back your claim of a ‘wild conspiracy theory’?

Would a Trump tweet suffice?

 

That's all the evidence they ever need!

[Tug]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"it is what it is"

 

No supporting evidence, just rumour mill opinions?  Then it's conspiracy theory.  No basis in reality.

Just turn on your tv to one of the msn stations not conspiracy news lol he is what he is lol

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Funny you should say that. The very first taped comment from trump was.....I have kept every promise.

 

A lie in his first spoken words.

In Trump world, saying "I have kept every promise" doesn't literally mean that Trump has kept every promise.  It just means that he's saying that he kept every promise.  To be a Trump supporter, you have to be able to buy that bull.

[Proboscis]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

No big deal.  How "prominent" can they be if they are all "former" lawmakers?  It's been well known that numbers of Republicans never endorsed Trump.  So what?  Former Democratic New Jersey Rep. Jeff Van Drew changed parties on Jan. 7th this year over Trump's impeachment.  Me thinks this article is attempting to take a nothing burger and create a something burger out of it.

The fact that they are former lawmakers is an indicator in itself. Current Republican lawmakers know that if they do say anything other than fulsome support for the President they risk the wrath of the party. Besides, Republicans, as a party, are known for sticking by the party line in public anyway. But the fact that so many former lawmakers are showing their hands at this stage, something they would seldom do in public, is an indication of how many in party feel.

 

Like many of these political waves, thanks to the system set up by the founding fathers, Trumpism will soon make way for something else. Remember McCarthyism? Again, no one in the Republican party would say a word against it for fear of being labeled a communist. McCarthyism had the whole country in its grip and it even attacked leading lights in the armed forces. And while McCartyism had some use in its early stages in that it raised the issue of communist sleepers in the USA during the beginnings of the Cold War, it ended up destroying the careers of a lot of good people and frightened off a lot of others from serving in either the civil service, the armed forces or higher education. In the same way that Trump probably did a little good in not letting Hiliary Clinton be president, some tax reform (although not in an economically efficient way but at least it unleashed some economic growth at the time) and facing up to China (again, not handled right but at least a marker was put down). But after that, it is clear that many of his policies won't work (coal mining, for instance, will not employ huge number of miners because of technological development) and many of his policy approaches are uninformed (his early approach to Covid-19). Soon he too will go the way of McCarthyism. It is the American way.

[rcummings]

Speaking of broken promises. Trump just recently promised to issue at 12 o'clock on aug 24 an executive order which would stipulate that US pharmaceutical manufacturers offer drugs at a price that would match the lowest prices offered in Europe. To date, not only has he kept the text of said order secret, but so far he hasn't actually published it. Until that happens, it's null and void. Tick tock tick tock...

 

[Ireland32]

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

An alternate headline could read "Has-beens back loser" ????

I smell a Trump Supporter 

[mtls2005]

2 minutes ago, Proboscis said:

Again, no one in the Republican party would say a word against it for fear of being labeled a communist.

 

Margaret Chase Smith.

 

Her "Declaration of Conscience" speech was a fair set of words?

 

And it was a different time, and McCarthy was not the leader of the party.

 

But Roy Cohn does tie it all together.

 

 

 

 

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

As much as you'd like to believe it's highly significant it's probably because the MSM is trying to portray it as such; hence you believe it.  Same with the claim that Trump has lost most of the independents.  Now I wouldn't doubt that you'd "prove" it to me by showing me polling data.  LOL  A lot of people put stock into polling data back in 2016 and they're now trying to cover their criminal tracks and stay out of jail because the polls were *slightly* off.  LOL

Clinton won the popular vote within the poll margin of error?

[Ireland32]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Notice how not a word has been spoken of ongoing riots and the democratic response. I know - 

They should be Rioting , Police Thugs 

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Covering the RNC is going to be a fact-checking nightmare.  Especially when Trump opens his mouth. 

Complete hypocrisy for CNN and Brian Stelter to fact-check the RNC but not the DNC.  Had they fact-checked the DNC they would have immediately flagged Biden's lie that Trump called the Neo-Nazis at Charlottesville "fine people."  There are multiple fact-checks showing it's false, one by the BBC, including Trump's own words.

 

Or Michelle Obama's lie that the American people “. . . watch in horror as children are torn from their families and thrown into cages.”  Those cages were built during the Obama-Biden administration to house children at the border.  The AP corrected her lie.

 

Multiple speakers claimed: “peaceful protesters were tear-gassed across from the White House.”  Tear gas was not used and many of the "protesters" were violent, not peaceful.

 

Multiple speakers claimed race relations and systemic racism were worse under Trump.  After eight years Obama left office and a Gallup polling revealed race relations had not improved.  Trump had polls in 2019 and 2020 showing race relations improved.

 

Biden, Harris, Kerry, HRC, and Obama, as well as multiple speakers, claimed Trump lets “tyrants manipulate him like a puppet.”  Trump wasn't the one who paid Iranian dictators 150 million in cash loaded on pallets (yeah, there's been much spin on the whole affair to make it out to be something it was not).

 

Trump failed to keep Americans safe from the pandemic.  We've gone round and round on this one enough here.  Biden would have handled it better?  Politico - Biden has fought a pandemic before. It did not go smoothly.

 

All key speakers claimed Trump called the pandemic a hoax. He did not – he called the media and Democrat hyping and gaslighting his response a hoax.

 

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said, “there is absolutely zero difference between voting by mail and voting absentee”  Breitbart - Fact Check: DNC Falsely Says ‘Absolutely Zero Difference Between Voting by Mail and Voting Absentee

 

Multiple speakers, including “Desperate Housewives” actress Eva Longoria, claimed, “Social Security beneficiaries count on the post office to get their checks.”  Currently 98.8 percent of benefits are paid electronically and just 1.2 percent by mailed checks.

 

Hilda Solis claimed about Obama and Biden, “They extended overtime pay to more than 4 million workers.” That Obama-era rule never went into effect.

 

Bernie Sanders claimed 49 million would get a raise if the federal minimum wage was raised to $15.  The CBO report predicted approximately 17 million, not 40 million.

 

Multiple speakers, including Obama, claimed Covid is getting worse in the USA.  Not true.

  

Biden made a big hullabaloo by stating, “More than 50 million people have filed for unemployment this year.”  Completely without context as those numbers are not due to any economic Trump policies but directly attributed to the pandemic lockdowns.

 

Biden stated, “Nearly one in six businesses have closed this year.”  Not true.  A survey found 1% had closed permanently and 12% temporarily.

 

A number of speakers promoted the narrative that Trump’s economy was inherited and he was just riding the coattails of the Obama/Biden economy.  Also BS.  The Obama/Biden recovery was the worst in U.S. history.

 

Michigan Governor credits the Obama Administration for ventilator production.  False.

 

Listening to his self-aggrandizing, Cuomo saves New York from COVID.  This one is laughable, although none of the survivors of his nursing home victims are laughing.

 

I could go on and on and on.

 

So anyway, Berkshire, what were you saying?

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Clinton won the popular vote within the poll margin of error?

LOL  Clinton - 48.18% of the popular vote.  Trump - 46.08%.  2.1% difference.  Clinton's high was 10% and a 2.4% low for an average Clinton lead through 2016 was 4.7%.  The actual difference was lower than the lowest month in 2016.

[kwonitoy]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

The GOP convention kicks off. Trump unveils the best 2nd term agenda ever, tackling the issues all Americans want. Sad to see the media ignore the GOP agenda they should be discussing, and run with this anti Trump nonsense of RINOs doing RINO stuff. IIRC, Flake and Conway hate Trump more than they love America, not exactly newsworthy.

 I hope we get a thread where we can objectively discus the GOP agenda for the 2nd term?

You're on your own in that regard because the GOP doesn't have an agenda for 2020

 

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-no-new-2020-platform-trump-agenda

 

GOP announces no new 2020 platform, party to 'enthusiastically support' Trump agenda

The resolution leaves in place the party's 2016 platform