Opening up Thailand to tourists a "potential catastrophe", wait six months urges Chula doctor

[jerolamo]

5 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

I agree England is fantastic for culture and music. Food is also amazing with some of the best chefs in the world now but I cant deny nearly all are classically French trained. In short Europe is an amazing continent for culture, history, music, art, food, wine, sports, etc, etc,,, We are lucky to be part of it. Stay safe my friend.????

Thank you my friend. My force is to be very courageous, friendly and strong, that is my education and my identity.

I am married in Thailand (and confirm this on my French country), and i start a new life in this fantastic country with my Thai family, who is, really, my family.

I also start to buy a land and build my own house myself after 8 years of Thailand visit half a year each year.

But now, it is a half started farang little house... and i'm far from my wife for 9 month already.

I have some difficult times to make money due to my organization (my job is not all the year as it is a very specific job) and i have more money out to assume this situation right now.

I feel myself locked by the fear of other, by the time, i can stay closed in a boat or in a hyperbaric chamber or a human box with a water point... for many month... i don't need luxury or anything else than water and food (any food), and i am able to wear the mask and get an assurance, for sure, at all time, i know to be diciplinate and careful of other (and that is why i love Thailand too, because in deep country everybody is nice and respectful and recognize this kind of quality with other, farang or not).

So, you can understand that this story time with high standard 5 stars hotel at so expensive price make me feeling as a kind of blackmailed people with a big noise on the middle of my face and i can not assume this as it should make my family in more danger.

We should also consider the other exist... right ?

Be safe, know your limit, share your knowledge generously as you will be free to do it with pleasure.

[SteveK]

France is a truly great country, give me a plane ticket and a job and I'd be there like a shot. Only thing that concerns me about France is all the Africans who have somehow gotten into the country, and all the crime, muggings and rioting that obviously goes along with it.

 

I'd pay a small fortune for a croque monsieur and a large glass of red wine after being in a remote Thai village for so long. And a steak au poivre, oh my god. Isaan food might be good in Bangkok, but the stuff they actually eat in the house is stomach-churningly bad. For all the things I love about Thailand, I would still kill for some decent food because the cr@p they eat here is disgusting.

 

Right now I'd gladly pay 500 baht for a fresh loaf of French bread. The Farmhouse stuff here is only good enough for wiping dog poo off your shoe.  And don't even get me started on the "ham" or the "cheese". I suspect I might need to go back to Europe soon.

Edited August 28, 2020 by SteveK

[The Deerhunter]

May I respectfully suggest a few submarines worth of social support. No question mark. Rhetorical question only.

[Aussie Col]

The longer Thailand leaves it to open up the harder it will be to get back tourists as they will find somewhere else to go where their tourist dollars go further

[SteveK]

6 minutes ago, Aussie Col said:

The longer Thailand leaves it to open up the harder it will be to get back tourists as they will find somewhere else to go where their tourist dollars go further

Bang on. And the longer they leave it, the more die hard Thailand fans will start discovering the Philippines (where girls speak English and actually have boobs), Cambodia (where you can get a very good beer for 15 baht) and Vietnam, which has insanely hot girls and is cheaper than Thailand.

 

They are shooting themselves in the foot - the guys who have alway gone to Thailand are now going to go somewhere else, whilst the high-class tourists they dream of will continue to go to Antigua, Bora Bora and Tuscany. Leaving Thailand bankrupt.

[Jumbo1968]

Forgive me for repeating myself Thailand has backed itself into a corner, they have no one in the government who have a clue how to get out of it.

[SteveK]

21 minutes ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Forgive me for repeating myself Thailand has backed itself into a corner, they have no one in the government who have a clue how to get out of it.

They need international tourism to get things kick-started, but they haven't got a clue what is going or what they should do, plus they have nasty racists in the government. Let's hope the tourists all discover Vietnam instead, whilst they spend months/years figuring out what they should do.

Edited August 28, 2020 by SteveK

[clarky cat]

2 hours ago, SteveK said:

France is a truly great country, give me a plane ticket and a job and I'd be there like a shot. Only thing that concerns me about France is all the Africans who have somehow gotten into the country, and all the crime, muggings and rioting that obviously goes along with it.

So not a great country anymore.

 

Watch Paul Joseph Watson’s video on Paris, doubt I’ll ever go there again

[dbrenn]

I'm sick of hearing all these so called experts telling us what we should and shouldn't do. It's just the flu for heaven's sake. If you're old or sick, stay at home and avoid it like you would any other kind of flu. Let us get on with our lives. 

[vandeventer]

We really need to start opening the country up by letting countries with little

or no virus in. Also it is a great time to do infrastructure as to add more jobs for

the Thai's. And to get people to come here you have to make it good for them

not a whole bunch of rules like the 100,000 usd insurance. Do this and we 

might have a chance to beat this virus.

[5633572526]

22 hours ago, steelepulse said:

I went ahead and posted daily deaths for you.

Deaths almost non existent. In a country willing to accept tens of thousands in road deaths there is no read to keep the borders closed.

[5633572526]

21 hours ago, AbeNormal said:

Including me

 

why not prop up the economy and the businesses that are struggling for a further 6 months since Thailand claims to have plenty of money, then open up when it is reasonably safe to do so

 

people will not stand for more lockdowns and curfews 

Thailand has amassed 8.21 trillion baht in debt through this ridiculous emergency decree and that was before the equally stupid idea of buying 2 more submarines from China to make the military that hasn’t missed a paycheck happy and to hell with the poor and out of work.

[SteveK]

It's been how long now, 6 months and people still can't travel because of a flu virus? Hands up anyone who knows anyone who had it. What a shambles, I can see this dragging on for years, but then I guess that is why China manufactured the virus in the first place, because it contains an artificial genotype.

[steelepulse]

11 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

Rubbish, Covid kills far more people if it is not controlled, check the numbers for yourself. of course it can't continue forever but it is here, you can't ignore it and call it "panicking" when we have a global pandemic that absolutely kills more then the common flu virus.. the UK has approximately 30,000 flu deaths every year, COVID killed over 40,000 in just over 3 months. The stats are the same everywhere. Is it difficult to manage? Yes it is. Should you ignore it and assume it's all a big overreaction? Absolutely not. I have saved the psychologist appointment slot for you. 

 

Next time do some research before you make silly comments.

Covid is primarily only affecting those that have weak immune systems, multiple cormorbidites, and would be susceptible to the commom cold ( which is also a coronavirus). By all means, keep the people who most likely couldn't handle getting covid tucked away somewhere, but the rest of us need to carry on with life.  Big pharma however doesn't want this to happen until a magical vaccine appears which actually should only be for the most vulnerable.  Healthy people don't need a vaccine.

[Krabi King]

23 hours ago, steelepulse said:

Go ahead and post the number of daily deaths while you are at it.  

 

23 hours ago, GeorgeCross said:

this is what happens when borders open to tourists:

 

source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

 

Exactly what my first thoughts were, steelepulse. George cross is using the same unfounded fearmongering tactics that we have been hearing all these months.

Let's keep it within France and listen to someone who really explains the numbers and the actual situation:

https://youtu.be/0ulA8u05Z-Q

Edited August 29, 2020 by Krabi King
Link was not clickable

[AbeNormal]

In Pattaya right now there are a lot of "New Tourists" that seem to have just arrived from S'Korea, how has that happened ?

 

No quarantine new tourists wandering around Bukoew area 

 

WHO LET THEM IN ?

 

Someone is telling lies

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, AbeNormal said:

In Pattaya right now there are a lot of "New Tourists" that seem to have just arrived from S'Korea, how has that happened ?

 

No quarantine new tourists wandering around Bukoew area 

 

WHO LET THEM IN ?

 

Someone is telling lies

Have you had a vision test lately or just watching reruns on the tele.

[Totoandlilly]

On 8/28/2020 at 9:53 AM, GeorgeCross said:

this is what happens when borders open to tourists:

 

source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

 

No lockdown at all, and there are barely any death any more, it's called herd immunity..

[dbrenn]

3 hours ago, SteveK said:

It's been how long now, 6 months and people still can't travel because of a flu virus? Hands up anyone who knows anyone who had it. What a shambles, I can see this dragging on for years, but then I guess that is why China manufactured the virus in the first place, because it contains an artificial genotype.

My sister in England knows someone who had it. All they had was a cold and felt tired for a few days. It's an overblown hoax. Politicians all around the world will never admit that they were wrong, so all they do is prolong the lie that it's more dangerous than it is.

Edited August 29, 2020 by dbrenn

[brucec64]

On 8/28/2020 at 10:08 AM, steelepulse said:

I went ahead and posted daily deaths for you.

Too early to get a picture of the deaths. Deaths follow the case increase by an average of 18 days.

[AbeNormal]

52 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Have you had a vision test lately or just watching reruns on the tele.

are you trying to make a point 

 

very surprised and disappointed at you 

[BobinBKK]

On 8/28/2020 at 10:16 AM, Henryford said:

Wasn't that the Plan from the very beginning.

We all live in a yellow submarine, yellow submarine.

[Reigntax]

22 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Are you volunteering to be a coronavirus martyr for the Thai economy?   After all, if you die, so be it!!!

Nothing to do with being a martyre. Its just another risk of life and those with existing ailments need to protect themselves.

Given 250,000 people die daily from all causes and more than 1 million die each year from misquito associated infections the reaction is nothing but knee jerk.

Yes. People die. That was guaranteed at birth for everyone. None of us are important or unreplaceable. Thinking otherise is just an overarated self opinion

Edited August 29, 2020 by Reigntax

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, Reigntax said:

Nothing to do with being a martyre. Its just another risk of life and those with existing ailments need to protect themselves.

Given 250,000 people die daily from all causes and more than 1 million die each year from misquito associated infections the reaction is nothing but knee jerk.

Yes. People die. That was guaranteed at birth for everyone. None of us are important or unreplaceable. Thinking otherise is just an overarated self opinion

 

Yes, but IMHO, smart people don't voluntarily take actions that needlessly increase their chances of getting sick or dying, like ignoring prudent protections against COVID 19....  There already are enough risks in life you can't influence/control, but there are some you can, and COVID is one of those.

 

Also, at the current rate, the world death toll for COVID is going to hit that 1 million figure you mentioned regarding annual mosquito infection-related deaths, and that will have been in only 9 or so months time.

 

Per Johns Hopkins update from Aug. 28:

 

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The WHO COVID-19 Dashboard reports 24.30 million cases (281,581 new) and 827,730 deaths (6,261 new) as of 10:30am EDT on August 26. The average global mortality has decreased from a peak of more than 6,300 new deaths per day on August 14 to 5,425 deaths per day now. If the global average remains greater than 5,000 deaths per day, the cumulative global mortality could reach 1 million deaths by the end of September.

 

Edited August 29, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[ericdiam]

Now it already a economic catastrophe. That stupid doctor has his salary on his account monthly. Millions lost their jobs and much much more will follow. Europe has second wave because opening to save the economy. Now the governments and medical specialists say we must learn to live with the virus. We now know already much more and have some medication that works pritty well end reduces much the deaths. Not one European country will close down fully again. They accept the covid, implement some safety rules, but business and economy must stay open to safe that. NO total lock down anymore.

Thailand is in worst economic crises for over 30 years. The worst country in total Asia. This army dictatorship does nothing to get it up again. Only spent all tax money on army equipment and more submarines.

 

[utalkin2me]

A catastrophe?

 

What exactly do they think is happening right this minute?

[GAZZPA]

11 hours ago, SteveK said:

France is a truly great country, give me a plane ticket and a job and I'd be there like a shot. Only thing that concerns me about France is all the Africans who have somehow gotten into the country, and all the crime, muggings and rioting that obviously goes along with it.

 

I'd pay a small fortune for a croque monsieur and a large glass of red wine after being in a remote Thai village for so long. And a steak au poivre, oh my god. Isaan food might be good in Bangkok, but the stuff they actually eat in the house is stomach-churningly bad. For all the things I love about Thailand, I would still kill for some decent food because the cr@p they eat here is disgusting.

 

Right now I'd gladly pay 500 baht for a fresh loaf of French bread. The Farmhouse stuff here is only good enough for wiping dog poo off your shoe.  And don't even get me started on the "ham" or the "cheese". I suspect I might need to go back to Europe soon.

I agree a lot of the food is not good in Thailand, at it's best it is lovely but it always seemed to me that Thai food is almost all based on fish sauce, lime juice, chillis, shrimp paste and palm sugar. Hot, sweet and sour forms the base of so much of the food and after a while I got tired of it, they are also not good at cooking foreign food. I don't think Thai people understand or can appreciate food that has subtle flavours at all. When I was in Pattaya I found a really nice French cafe on the top of the hill between Jomtien and Pattaya. The croissant was made by a French chef and it was as good as you get in France,, proper flaky, rich pastry, the Almond croissant is simply brilliant. I think it was called La baguette, I never found better. Other then that, you really have to cook your own food to get relief from all the typical Thai food.

[GAZZPA]

32 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

A catastrophe?

 

What exactly do they think is happening right this minute?

Seriously fella? 

[GAZZPA]

3 hours ago, dbrenn said:

My sister in England knows someone who had it. All they had was a cold and felt tired for a few days. It's an overblown hoax. Politicians all around the world will never admit that they were wrong, so all they do is prolong the lie that it's more dangerous than it is.

Are you part of the David Icke fan club? think through what you just said..

Who started this so called hoax and why?

How and when did all the global political leaders conspire together to plan this global hoax?

How did they convince all the virologists, scientists and doctors to go along with it? 

What did the 40,000 people die of in the UK in just over 3 months (certainly not the flu in those numbers)

 

I am getting tired of all the silly conspiracies, if you have any answers to the above simple questions then please do so, if not keep your nonsense to yourself, you don't convince me or any other free thinking person who can anaylse the facts. 

 

[DrTuner]

13 hours ago, GAZZPA said:

I am English and I can say without hesitation France is an amazing country to visit, there is nothing missing. France has beautiful scenery, amazing culture and history and I'm not even mentioning the food yet. France is arguably the worlds capital of fine cuisine, the finest food in the world, the birth of champagne and world leader in wine production. I am not alone, France is the biggest country in the world for tourists by a long way, twice Thailand. Paris is the top romantic destination in the world, a class way above any destination in Thailand.. So whoever said France is not a big tourist destination is full of the brown, smelly stuff. ????

IF only they didn't have the French in there. Of all cultures I just don't get theirs. Somehow insular.