Republican senator, swarmed by protesters after Trump speech, calls for FBI probe

[simple1]

13 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Shooting Broken down:
 

 

Antifa/BLM celebrating it:

 

 

 

Thanks. Police will work it out, see what they have to say. If an Antifa member was murdered I'm sure the other side of the extremist world would cheer long and loud.

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Sujo said:

As thought. Twitter facts.

LOL.  Twitter facts?  What's that supposed to mean?  Is that your new way of dismissing facts?  LOL  Simply hilarious.

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Thanks. Police will work it out, see what they have to say. If an Antifa member was murdered I'm sure the other side of the extremist world would cheer long and loud.

I wouldn't.  You have to be pretty sick to applaud and celebrate someone's death.  That's not the kind of person I am.  Speak for yourself, dude.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Thanks. Police will work it out, see what they have to say. If an Antifa member was murdered I'm sure the other side of the extremist world would cheer long and loud.

 

Thats because you have a depraved mind. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. The right does not go around assaulting innocents and trashing businesses and burning everything in sight. 

There is a difference, and youll never see it, but Antifa/BLM openly celebrating it in the street is something that'll be blasted far and wide over the next few days and most Americans are not going to be impressed. 

 

And Trump, 8 minutes ago, for the billionth time telling that stupid mayor to bring in the national guard, to which hes refused constantly, and even one day ago wrote a smug letter to the president continuing to decline:

 

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

5 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Thats because you have a depraved mind. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. The right does not go around assaulting innocents and trashing businesses and burning everything in sight. 

There is a difference, and youll never see it, but Antifa/BLM openly celebrating it in the street is something that'll be blasted far and wide over the next few days and most Americans are not going to be impressed. 

 

And Trump, 8 minutes ago, for the billionth time telling that stupid mayor to bring in the national guard, to which hes refused constantly, and even one day ago wrote a smug letter to the president continuing to decline:

 

 

 

 

You are absolutely right Mama, Murder is murder. Assault is assault. So for the 4th time of asking, would you and Tippaporn like to comment on the 17 year old Trump fan who crossed state lines with illegal guns and shot 3 poeple killing 2, or is your faux indignation and outrage only reserved for when it suits your purpose?

[simple1]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I wouldn't.  You have to be pretty sick to applaud and celebrate someone's death.  That's not the kind of person I am.  Speak for yourself, dude.

I didn't say you.  However, unless I misunderstood, It seems you're saying you're also a member of the political extremist world, but don't support killing - be a rare profile...

 

Have to say thoroughly dislike the word 'dude', sounds like some street gang member slang, nor do I support murder.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

So for the 4th time of asking, would you and Tippaporn like to comment on the 17 year old Trump fan who crossed state lines with illegal guns and shot 3 poeple killing 2, or is your faux indignation and outrage only reserved for when it suits your purpose?

 

My position on this is well known. Read through my previous posts and the Jacob Blake thread.

 

But to paraphrase for you:

 

Rifle Kid shouldn't have been there, if would of waited 1 year he would have been a legal owner. 

 

That said, he was assaulted by a mob of antifa multiple times and defended himself. If he was not attacked by a mob, nobody would be dead. He was attacked first and its very well documented. 

 

This antifa shooting was cold blooded murder. Straight up. 

 

Thats all im gonna say on the matter as ive already stated this about a billion times. 

[Mama Noodle]

Trump going off:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by Mama Noodle

[Eric Loh]

Apparently the teen was radicalized to take up illegal arms to carry out his mission. ???? Where have I heard that before. 

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Trump going off:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just shows what a snake oil salesman Trump is. The FBI have investigated and found no involvement of Antifa in BLM protests.

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

Just shows what a snake oil salesman Trump is. The FBI have investigated and found no involvement of Antifa in BLM protests.

 

They aren't making a very good case for themselves. 

 

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

2 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

My position on this is well known. Read through my previous posts and the Jacob Blake thread.

 

But to paraphrase for you:

 

Rifle Kid shouldn't have been there, if would of waited 1 year he would have been a legal owner. 

 

That said, he was assaulted by a mob of antifa multiple times and defended himself. If he was not attacked by a mob, nobody would be dead. He was attacked first and its very well documented. 

 

This antifa shooting was cold blooded murder. Straight up. 

 

Thats all im gonna say on the matter as ive already stated this about a billion times. 

First time I'm hearing your thoughts so you will perhaps forgive me for my inability to read your mind.

I see why you wouldn't want to engage in THIS conversation because it's all a bit awkward isn't it?; a 17 year old travels from out of state, heavily armed with illegal guns, disobeying a police curfew, in 'defence' of property that isn't his. There is no 'self-defence' defence for him purely because he obviously put himslef in the situation willingly after a series of illegal acts. Thankfully he has been charged with first-degree intentional homicide, one count of first-degree reckless homicide, one count of attempted first-degree intentional homicide and two counts of first-degree reckless endangerment.

Now unless you were an eye witness to the latest shooting, you can neither assert it is 'cold blooded murder' or indeed anything antifa (whatever the hell that is) related.

Being such a balanced individual who is only interested in law and order, I'm sure you will agree.

[Tippaporn]

11 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are absolutely right Mama, Murder is murder. Assault is assault. So for the 4th time of asking, would you and Tippaporn like to comment on the 17 year old Trump fan who crossed state lines with illegal guns and shot 3 poeple killing 2, or is your faux indignation and outrage only reserved for when it suits your purpose?

It was self defense.  The kid wasn't of legal age to open carry in Wisconsin and he may have to atone for that, depending on the law.  Where do you get the "illegal guns" <deleted>?  You'll have to show some links for that claim.

 

The Milwaukee Sentinel - What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings

 

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

[Mama Noodle]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

There is no 'self-defence' defence for him purely because he obviously put himslef in the situation willingly after a series of illegal acts.

 

The most absurd proposition of anyone yet. 

 

So because he, like everyone else, was armed and out after curfew, he is not allowed to defend himself and must be kicked in the head, bashed with a skateboard and shot with a pistol by violent rioters who have been violently rioting... Because he was 17? 

 

Thats an hard nope from me dude. 

 

You can deflect until your blue in the face but the fact remains that in all of these instances - Antifa and BLM are the aggressors and bring every situation to the physical level. They have been doing it every single night in cities all across America for months now, so please spare us all the cop out. 

[Mama Noodle]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

 

They dont care, you're talking to professional arm-chair quarterbacks and lawyers who go by their feelings rather than obvious yet unfortunate facts. 

 

They've already tried and convicted him so anything you say will not matter. Just like Jacob Blake. He was an unarmed black man murdered by cops, even though he was literally none of that and was actually an alleged rapist who was at the home of the woman he allegedly raped. 

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I didn't say you.  However, unless I misunderstood, It seems you're saying you're also a member of the political extremist world, but don't support killing - be a rare profile...

 

Have to say thoroughly dislike the word 'dude', sounds like some street gang member slang, nor do I support murder.

There's a lot you misunderstand and a lot more that you wrongly assume, such as "it seems you're saying."

 

Dude is a common term in the U.S. and is in no way derogatory.  Been used since at least the 60's.  I understand you're from the U.K. and possibly you wouldn't know but it's such a common term that I'd be surprised that Brits weren't familiar with it.

 

Anyway, not only is it, in my opinion, sick to hail the death of someone I think it takes a sick imagination to suggest that the "other side" would do the same.

[Mama Noodle]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I think it takes a sick imagination to suggest that the "other side" would do the same.

 

Pretty serious projection wasn't it. I had to chuckle. 

[johnnybangkok]

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It was self defense.  The kid wasn't of legal age to open carry in Wisconsin and he may have to atone for that, depending on the law.  Where do you get the "illegal guns" <deleted>?  You'll have to show some links for that claim.

 

The Milwaukee Sentinel - What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings

 

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Wrong. As usual. 
 

1. He is 17. It was illegal for him to posses that rifle (hence illegal guns). In his home state you have to be 21, in Wisconsin you have to be 18. This was crime number 1. 

2. Crossing the state line with an illegally possessed weapon is a pretty big deal and a big fat number 2 on the crime list.

3. Wisconsin totally allows for the use of deadly force in self defense, but the caveat is that you cant be committing a crime while that use of force happens. Which we addressed above he was actively committing a crime by possessing that rifle. 

4 Wisconsin has a Castle Doctrine; that you can only use deadly force if the perpetrators are in your dwelling or your place of business. For a place of business you have to own this, or be in charge of operations of the business. You cannot just post up to protect a random business, also you can not chase people if they decide to retreat like this 17 year old did. Wisconsin V. Charles L Chew is the case law. If you want to have a look.

5. Its not self defense when you get in your car with a rifle, drive 15 miles to another town, and walk the streets with a rifle. 
He had every opportunity to stay home but he chose to get involved in this situation with the plan to be involved in confrontation (why else bring a rifle) also in Wisconsin self defense law you cant be the instigator and then claim self defense.

He became the instigator the second he pursued others. 

 

Here's a link to the Wisconsin laws im referring to:

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/48

Edited August 30, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[johnnybangkok]

17 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

The most absurd proposition of anyone yet. 

 

So because he, like everyone else, was armed and out after curfew, he is not allowed to defend himself and must be kicked in the head, bashed with a skateboard and shot with a pistol by violent rioters who have been violently rioting... Because he was 17? 

 

Thats an hard nope from me dude. 

 

You can deflect until your blue in the face but the fact remains that in all of these instances - Antifa and BLM are the aggressors and bring every situation to the physical level. They have been doing it every single night in cities all across America for months now, so please spare us all the cop out. 

See above

[Tippaporn]

24 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Apparently the teen was radicalized to take up illegal arms to carry out his mission. ???? Where have I heard that before. 

"Apparently . . . "  Geezus, you guys will make up anything to suit your biased views.  It really does get sick to suggest things that have no basis in reality so that you can create some alternate false reality simply to support your cause.

 

Kyle Rittenhouse is a community lifeguard who was working in Kenosha the day of the shooting.  He was cleaning up grafitti that day.  The firearm he had never crossed state lines, per his attorneys.  Also per his attorneys, “after Kyle finished his work that day as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, he wanted to help clean up some of the damage, so he and a friend went to the local public high school to remove graffiti by rioters.”

 

Photos of him cleaning up can be found online.

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

<SNIP>

 

Anyway, not only is it, in my opinion, sick to hail the death of someone I think it takes a sick imagination to suggest that the "other side" would do the same.

Totally disagree with you, whether it's extremism from the right or left of politics violence is a known factor and encouraged. I recall the FBI identified far right motivated murders in the US more common than those from the far left. Haven't checked how the numbers currently compare.

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Here's a link to the Wisconsin laws im referring to:

 

Site the statute you're invoking please. Save us all alot of trouble, because you can defend yourself using deadly force outside of your home if you are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.

[Mama Noodle]

4 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

See above

You first. 

[Tippaporn]

33 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

<snip> . . . heavily armed with illegal guns, . . . <snip>

It's heavily armed now, is it?  Taking the hyperbole to the limit?  Again, post some links as to the "Illegal guns."

[Tippaporn]

15 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

<snip> It was illegal for him to posses that rifle (hence illegal guns). <snip>

I had to stop reading right there.  Here you're misrepresenting an "illegal carry" as "illegal guns."  And where did you get the plural form of gun from?

 

Sorry, dude, but your disingenuousness is going too far.  It's impossible to discuss anything with people who simply can't stay honest.

[tlandtday]

Many are a bunch of unemployed lazy ass provocateurs' sucking the govt tit with covid cash while getting perks from Soros and his fake groups.  Not all but many.  There are real people protesting but it's not these thugs.

Edited August 30, 2020 by tlandtday

[johnnybangkok]

11 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Site the statute you're invoking please. Save us all alot of trouble, because you can defend yourself using deadly force outside of your home if you are in reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.

I think I’ve explained it well enough. Please do your own reading. 

[Mama Noodle]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

I think I’ve explained it well enough. Please do your own reading. 

Demands a debate, yet drops said debate when forced on the spot. 

[johnnybangkok]

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's heavily armed now, is it?  Taking the hyperbole to the limit?  Again, post some links as to the "Illegal guns."

You are being purposely obtrusive. He is not of legal age to carry a gun. That makes it illegal. 
And yes he was heavily armed with a semi- automatic long gun. 
My only correction will be “guns” as it seems he only needed the one to kill 2 people and injure another. 

[johnnybangkok]

4 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

Demands a debate, yet drops said debate when forced on the spot. 

I’ll debate when you come back with something to debate. All you’ve done is demand me to show you something you can easily read yourself. 
Come back with an actual point and I’ll debate you.