Berlin police arrest 300, disband protest against coronavirus curbs

[pacovl46]

Oh, the irony! They go protesting without masks and without keeping the mandatory social distance, new infections go up, lockdown has to be prolonged and they’re just way too stupid to see that they’re actually worsening the very situation they’re protesting against! 
 

They should just mow them down with rubber bullets, each and every time! 

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, pacovl46 said:

Oh, the irony! They go protesting without masks and without keeping the mandatory social distance, new infections go up, lockdown has to be prolonged and they’re just way too stupid to see that they’re actually worsening the very situation they’re protesting against! 
 

They should just mow them down with rubber bullets, each and every time! 

There is no timeframe for this ending, that's the point of the protests. Flu vaccines don't stop you getting flu, a covid-19 vaccine won't be any different, once a year booster jabs. More people are dying of flu each day in the UK now, this farce needs to end now!

[pacovl46]

3 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

There is no timeframe for this ending, that's the point of the protests. Flu vaccines don't stop you getting flu, a covid-19 vaccine won't be any different, once a year booster jabs. More people are dying of flu each day in the UK now, this farce needs to end now!

If there’s no new infections and you wait another two weeks just to be on the safe side then life can absolutely go back to normal as long as you don’t let people in without going through quarantine, but as long as those imbeciles have to be in the streets and attending parties and completely disregarding safety measures it’s not going to end anytime soon.

 

We were down to around 200 new infections per day in Germany. Then the government gave in to the cretins and within two weeks it went straight back up to almost 2000. So obviously the drastic measurements worked. If they had waited another 4 weeks or so with easing up it could be over already. 

[tribalfusion001]

15 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

If there’s no new infections and you wait another two weeks just to be on the safe side then life can absolutely go back to normal as long as you don’t let people in without going through quarantine, but as long as those imbeciles have to be in the streets and attending parties and completely disregarding safety measures it’s not going to end anytime soon.

 

We were down to around 200 new infections per day in Germany. Then the government gave in to the cretins and within two weeks it went straight back up to almost 2000. So obviously the drastic measurements worked. If they had waited another 4 weeks or so with easing up it could be over already. 

I was briefly in Holzwickede on Thursday afternoon, I had a Krombacher beer and bratwurst before returning to Dortmund airport and my flight to London Stansted. I really didn't notice much social distancing or mask wearing going on, it was very similar to where I live in the UK.

 

It's completely unworkable to quarantine every arrival in European countries especially in the mainland as it's open borders within the EU. Do you realise that the young people want to enjoy they lives and the virus doesn't effect them. Economies have to be opened up before more businesses go bust, you can't have social distancing in bars and restaurants. New Zealand thought it was over and it flared up again.

[Tippaporn]

54 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

There is no timeframe for this ending, that's the point of the protests. Flu vaccines don't stop you getting flu, a covid-19 vaccine won't be any different, once a year booster jabs. More people are dying of flu each day in the UK now, this farce needs to end now!

Kudos.  It takes balls to call it for what it is in the face of so many sheep.

[Tippaporn]

26 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I was briefly in Holzwickede on Thursday afternoon, I had a Krombacher beer and bratwurst before returning to Dortmund airport and my flight to London Stansted. I really didn't notice much social distancing or mask wearing going on, it was very similar to where I live in the UK.

 

It's completely unworkable to quarantine every arrival in European countries especially in the mainland as it's open borders within the EU. Do you realise that the young people want to enjoy they lives and the virus doesn't effect them. Economies have to be opened up before more businesses go bust, you can't have social distancing in bars and restaurants. New Zealand thought it was over and it flared up again.

I think you didn't get the memo.  You're supposed to be scared.  Very scared.  Even deathly afraid.  And if the cure kills you at least the virus didn't.

[tribalfusion001]

36 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I think you didn't get the memo.  You're supposed to be scared.  Very scared.  Even deathly afraid.  And if the cure kills you at least the virus didn't.

The memo needs to be updated. Unless you have multiple underlying medical conditions and over a certain age, then nothing much to scared of.

 

 

[Tug]

6 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The memo needs to be updated. Unless you have multiple underlying medical conditions and over a certain age, then nothing much to scared of.

 

 

Oh I don’t know I think I’ll follow the science and the facts kinda don’t think the world shut down over nothing naaaa nope keep your guard up follow safe protocols be safe good health good luck

[vermin on arrival]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I don’t know I think I’ll follow the science and the facts kinda don’t think the world shut down over nothing naaaa nope keep your guard up follow safe protocols be safe good health good luck

The science and facts are all over the place. On any topic with this disease, you can find scientific research that is mutually contradictory. Both sides in every debate view their experts as correct and the others as non-existent or misinformation. It's not a hoax, but it is also not what it was billed up to be. No government will ever own up to the possibility that they may have gotten it completely wrong if it causes it's own public health hazard or economic meltdown.

[tribalfusion001]

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I don’t know I think I’ll follow the science and the facts kinda don’t think the world shut down over nothing naaaa nope keep your guard up follow safe protocols be safe good health good luck

Massive over reaction following China's Wuhan lockdown, it was obvious at the start that Wuhan style lockdowns could not work in other countries without long lasting damage to economies. Now look at the result 6 months later and there still is economical damage still to come. Governments don't have a clue how to get out of this mess or which strategy is the best. Personally managed virus control whilst keeping economies going seems to be the best, locking yourself in looks to be the worst.

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

The science and facts are all over the place. On any topic with this disease, you can find scientific research that is mutually contradictory. Both sides in every debate view their experts as correct and the others as non-existent or misinformation. It's not a hoax, but it is also not what it was billed up to be. No government will ever own up to the possibility that they may have gotten it completely wrong if it causes it's own public health hazard or economic meltdown.

Spot on.

[bestie]

These are no "normal" protesters these are people with no brain and of course most of them from the "right wing". In Germany the right wing don't accept the state of Germany at all. Many of them wishing "Hitler" would come back. Naaaa these are really dumb people. Sure you see "normal" people without the old German Imperial War Flag but that doesn't mean they aren't dumb as the right wing or doesn't support them. When someone wears a suit that doesn't mean he is a banker and when someone is waving a rainbow flag doesn't mean he is a unicorn. No "normal" people, even if there against the strict Covid rules would follow them. Sad because the right wing is destroying everything. 

[TeaMonkey]

In Europe this has caused no more deaths than a flu season. So why is there the continued scaremongering and restrictions when hospital admissions and deaths are now so minimal. Before I thought this was just a panicked overreaction but with the same “new normal” message being repeated by the governments the world over I think there is more to this. Welcome to the global reset.  

[tribalfusion001]

There is another anti covid protest in Berlin today, BLM protest in London and 1000's of muslims in Hyde Park celebrating something, screwed up times for sure!

[pacovl46]

11 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I was briefly in Holzwickede on Thursday afternoon, I had a Krombacher beer and bratwurst before returning to Dortmund airport and my flight to London Stansted. I really didn't notice much social distancing or mask wearing going on, it was very similar to where I live in the UK.

 

It's completely unworkable to quarantine every arrival in European countries especially in the mainland as it's open borders within the EU. Do you realise that the young people want to enjoy they lives and the virus doesn't effect them. Economies have to be opened up before more businesses go bust, you can't have social distancing in bars and restaurants. New Zealand thought it was over and it flared 
 

 

Of course it’s workable. Close the borders, force everyone to stay at home for six weeks, have the cops and the army supply people with food and that would be the end of it. They should’ve done that back in March and it would be long over already, but no “we have to keep the economy alive”. What would’ve been cheaper? Closing down the country for six weeks or throttling the economy for 6 months with no end in sight! 
 

In regards to the young people not wearing masks, SCREW THEM, SCREW their human rights and SCREW the horses they rode in on! Why should we care about their human rights and their wish to have parties when they don’t give one flying f about other people’s health?! They’re so <deleted> selfish it’s unbelievable!
 

Close the bars and restaurants!!! The one and only reason the numbers went back up again is because the government gave in to the idiots! The government should’ve stuck with the restrictions until he numbers went down to zero to be able to go back to normal as quickly as possible! 
 

Containing the pandemic and keeping as many people alive definitely takes precedence over their wishes to party! The fact alone that you even brought that up is an outrage! Screw them! 

[pacovl46]

12 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

There is no timeframe for this ending, that's the point of the protests. Flu vaccines don't stop you getting flu, a covid-19 vaccine won't be any different, once a year booster jabs. More people are dying of flu each day in the UK now, this farce needs to end now!

More people die of the flu than of COVID???

 

OK, let’s compare the numbers then, shall we? 
 

Flu in England:

2014/15 28330

2015/16 11875

2016/17 18009

2017/18 26408

Corona in the UK so far 41499 and that’s with lockdown! Without it the numbers would be considerably higher!
 

Even if you add a couple of thousand per year for each Wales, Scotland and Ireland you don’t get anywhere near the number of deaths Covid19 has caused so far in the UK! 
 

The regular flu has a case fatality rate of 0.13%. Covid19 has a case fatality rate of 5% as far as we know. Meaning, of the known infected whose cases had an outcome, meaning they either died or recovered 5% have died. That’s a 38.46 times higher case fatality rate than the flu, so you really need to take off your blinders and get off the “it’s just another flu bandwagon!”

 

[stevenl]

12 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

I was briefly in Holzwickede on Thursday afternoon, I had a Krombacher beer and bratwurst before returning to Dortmund airport and my flight to London Stansted. I really didn't notice much social distancing or mask wearing going on, it was very similar to where I live in the UK.

 

It's completely unworkable to quarantine every arrival in European countries especially in the mainland as it's open borders within the EU. Do you realise that the young people want to enjoy they lives and the virus doesn't effect them. Economies have to be opened up before more businesses go bust, you can't have social distancing in bars and restaurants. New Zealand thought it was over and it flared up again.

Borders can be opened or closed, has proven very easy. So also quarantines can be done. So it is a societal choice.

Edited August 31, 2020 by stevenl

[Boomer6969]

On 8/30/2020 at 6:49 AM, Yinn said:

Selfish scum.

U reckon they should all lockdown, wear mask  and get tested so that they can apply to spend their two weeks annual leave confined in a Thai quarantine facility, to help the good people of Thailand who love them (their money) so much?

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Of course it’s workable. Close the borders, force everyone to stay at home for six weeks, have the cops and the army supply people with food and that would be the end of it.

<snip>

LOL.  Are you a prognosticator?  You are certain your idea would "be the end of it?"  On what evidence?  There is no evidence you or any other can cite because it doesn't exist.  And if your grand and "guaranteed" plan were to actually work but Covid still exists outside your borders for how long would you keep them sealed?  If the virus, as some say, never goes away then you are you looking at sealing your borders for eternity?

 

It's so easy to claim, without ever having to prove and knowing you will never have to prove it, that your idea of how to eradicate Covid would work.  And then go around and fault all others who just want to live life.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

More people die of the flu than of COVID???

 

OK, let’s compare the numbers then, shall we? 
 

Flu in England:

2014/15 28330

2015/16 11875

2016/17 18009

2017/18 26408

Corona in the UK so far 41499 and that’s with lockdown! Without it the numbers would be considerably higher!
 

Even if you add a couple of thousand per year for each Wales, Scotland and Ireland you don’t get anywhere near the number of deaths Covid19 has caused so far in the UK! 
 

The regular flu has a case fatality rate of 0.13%. Covid19 has a case fatality rate of 5% as far as we know. Meaning, of the known infected whose cases had an outcome, meaning they either died or recovered 5% have died. That’s a 38.46 times higher case fatality rate than the flu, so you really need to take off your blinders and get off the “it’s just another flu bandwagon!”

 

"Without it the numbers would be considerably higher!"

 

Unless you're God you legitimately have no idea of what "might of" happened.  Again, it's so easy to assert claims that you'll never have to back up.  Of course you may be able to point to other prognosticators or studies to "prove" your point but as someone else here wisely said the data and science are all over the map.  I'd go further and question much of the data itself.  Do you think for a moment that none of it has been manipulated or is outright false?  LOL

[vermin on arrival]

5 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

More people die of the flu than of COVID???

 

OK, let’s compare the numbers then, shall we? 
 

Flu in England:

2014/15 28330

2015/16 11875

2016/17 18009

2017/18 26408

Corona in the UK so far 41499 and that’s with lockdown! Without it the numbers would be considerably higher!
 

Even if you add a couple of thousand per year for each Wales, Scotland and Ireland you don’t get anywhere near the number of deaths Covid19 has caused so far in the UK! 
 

The regular flu has a case fatality rate of 0.13%. Covid19 has a case fatality rate of 5% as far as we know. Meaning, of the known infected whose cases had an outcome, meaning they either died or recovered 5% have died. That’s a 38.46 times higher case fatality rate than the flu, so you really need to take off your blinders and get off the “it’s just another flu bandwagon!”

 

Currently though, at this moment in time, more people in the UK are dying from the flu than from covid.

[pacovl46]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Are you a prognosticator?  You are certain your idea would "be the end of it?"  On what evidence?  There is no evidence you or any other can cite because it doesn't exist.  And if your grand and "guaranteed" plan were to actually work but Covid still exists outside your borders for how long would you keep them sealed?  If the virus, as some say, never goes away then you are you looking at sealing your borders for eternity?

 

It's so easy to claim, without ever having to prove and knowing you will never have to prove it, that your idea of how to eradicate Covid would work.  And then go around and fault all others who just want to live life.

Looks like I have to spell it out like to a five year old: if everyone goes into quarantine and doesn’t have contact with anyone outside the ones they’re living with then the infected will get sick and then they either recover or die, therefore they’re not infectious anymore, hence there won’t be any new infections anymore either and the virus will die out in humans because there’s no one around it could infect. Just like SARS did. There’s been no new cases since 2004! Although SARS was less infectious than SARS-CoV-2 is. How’s that for evidence? Does that work for you?

It’s pretty obvious in my opinion! And how exactly it isn’t for you is a mystery to me, but then again I didn’t expect someone who’s in favor of parties during a global pandemic to actually be able/want to get it!  

[pacovl46]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"Without it the numbers would be considerably higher!"

 

Unless you're God you legitimately have no idea of what "might of" happened.  Again, it's so easy to assert claims that you'll never have to back up.  Of course you may be able to point to other prognosticators or studies to "prove" your point but as someone else here wisely said the data and science are all over the map.  I'd go further and question much of the data itself.  Do you think for a moment that none of it has been manipulated or is outright false?  LOL

Ok, it’s official now, you’re either a troll or you’re incredibly mentally handicapped! It’s pretty <deleted> obvious that a virus like SARS-CoV-2 when allowed to spread freely will infect and therefore also kill a lot more people than if it isn’t allowed to spread freely! It’s common sense which you clearly do not possess! 

[pacovl46]

6 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

Currently though, at this moment in time, more people in the UK are dying from the flu than from covid.

Just because for example ten people died of the flu today and only five of COVID doesn’t mean that overall the flu kills more people than COVID because it doesn’t! 

[vermin on arrival]

1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:

Just because for example ten people died of the flu today and only five of COVID doesn’t mean that overall the flu kills more people than COVID because it doesn’t! 

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. However the current fatality rates are important. Some health care professionals and immunologists believe that the disease has run it's course in many countries (such as the European ones) and killed the majority of the "weak trees" who were the susceptible people. They also believe there will be no big second wave. They view this as a hard first wave because of the relative newness of the virus and think it will settle down to flu like ifrs. Lots of cases and low icu and fatality rates. It feels like there is too much fearmongering and hysteria now.

[pacovl46]

9 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. However the current fatality rates are important. Some health care professionals and immunologists believe that the disease has run it's course in many countries (such as the European ones) and killed the majority of the "weak trees" who were the susceptible people. They also believe there will be no big second wave. They view this as a hard first wave because of the relative newness of the virus and think it will settle down to flu like ifrs. Lots of cases and low icu and fatality rates. It feels like there is too much fearmongering and hysteria now.

You literally said that the flu kills more people than covid: “Currently though, at this moment in time, more people in the UK are dying from the flu than from covid.“
 

So, how exactly did I put words in your mouth? 
 

The lockdown has prevented the majority of people from getting infected, if they ease the lockdown too early or do away with it completely before the numbers go to zero, more people will get infected and more people will die, therefore a second wave is very much possible. 

[nausea]

Just protect the vulnerable, and let the rest of us get on with our lives; the whole response has been totally OTT. In fact the vulnerable. I.e. those in care homes, have been totally screwed. Good luck in getting the rest of us back to commuting by the way. One good thing to come out of this is probably a sea change in the way the big corporations run their operations, no longer about time spent in the office, more about results.

[The Barmbeker]

On 8/30/2020 at 5:13 PM, vermin on arrival said:

If it is a demonstration in which people disagree with the rules of distancing/wearing masks would you expect anyone to do them? Just saying....

Not the point, though...is it!

The are crying over "living in a dictatorship" and got the demonstrate freely - IF...like in any other demonstration...certain rules are to be followed!

I don't see the debate here!

[vermin on arrival]

9 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

You literally said that the flu kills more people than covid: “
 

So, how exactly did I put words in your mouth? 
 

The lockdown has prevented the majority of people from getting infected, if they ease the lockdown too early or do away with it completely before the numbers go to zero, more people will get infected and more people will die, therefore a second wave is very much possible. 

I literally said "Currently though, at this moment in time, more people in the UK are dying from the flu than from covid.“ Please read carefully and don't change what I said. What you posted was not what I literally said. It was your interpretation of what I said. I did not say "that the flu kills more people than covid."

 

Do you know what "this moment in time" and "currently" means? It means right now. It doesn't mean last month it doesn't mean 6 months ago.

Edited September 1, 2020 by vermin on arrival

[vermin on arrival]

1 hour ago, The Barmbeker said:

Not the point, though...is it!

The are crying over "living in a dictatorship" and got the demonstrate freely - IF...like in any other demonstration...certain rules are to be followed!

I don't see the debate here!

It's not surprising that they would do that though given the nature of their protest. That is all I'm saying. That one would be surprised that they would do so, surprises me,

Edited September 1, 2020 by vermin on arrival