UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

[snoop1130]

UK minister surprised by Scottish independence referendum move

 

FILE PHOTO: Britain's Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey is seen outside Downing Street, as the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) continues, in London, Britain March 17, 2020. REUTERS/Henry Nicholls

 

LONDON (Reuters) - A British minister said she was surprised by plans for another Scottish independence referendum given the budget deficit in the country and the economic challenges facing the whole of the United Kingdom after the COVID-19 pandemic.

 

“I’m just somewhat surprised,” Work and Pensions Secretary Therese Coffey told BBC television on Wednesday.

 

“Last week we saw that Scotland has a record deficit, the union bonus is about 2,000 pounds ($2,673) per person in Scotland. I really struggle to understand why this is the right time to be thinking about an independence referendum.”

 

Scotland’s First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on Tuesday pledged to publish draft legislation for a new independence referendum, including the question and timing of the vote, before the country’s parliamentary election next year.

 

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[Centrum]

Good luck Nicola. Let's do it this time.

[pacovl46]

11 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

really struggle to understand why this is the right time to be thinking about an independence referendum.”

It’s the time because you guys decided to go Brexit! Now you’re gonna reap what you’ve sewn! 

[goldenbrwn1]

6 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s the time because you guys decided to go Brexit! Now you’re gonna reap what you’ve sewn! 

Ooooohhhhhh scary. Ex pat Scots are funny.  

[bodga]

10 hours ago, Centrum said:

Good luck Nicola. Let's do it this time.

and when can they do a  revote when things go tits  up?

[bodga]

6 minutes ago, colinneil said:

50% Scottish, 50% English.

would that be split down the middle or split  top to bottom Colin?

[colinneil]

6 minutes ago, bodga said:

would that be split down the middle or split  top to bottom Colin?

In my case it would be split top to bottom.

Bottom half would be Scotland, dont work alone.

[Rookiescot]

Majority of Scots now want independence and Brexiteers fly into a panic.

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) why are you English/British nationalist so desperate to keep paying for it?

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) how is that a good advertisment for remaining in the Union? If a country so resource rich as Scotland is flat broke then its because of the union. Its because we are tied to Westminster.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU. We are being dragged out against our will. We want back in.

 

[cmarshall]

Is the claim of a 2000 pound union bonus correct?

[kingdong]

46 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s the time because you guys decided to go Brexit! Now you’re gonna reap what you’ve sewn! 

and if you do get your wish and your independence,don,t come whingeing back when the eu wants handouts from you like they did from the uk,you kak your bed and you lay in it.and by the way its sown not sewn.

[Scott]

Posts removed.   Please use the correct name of politicians or face a suspension.  

 

[kingdong]

34 minutes ago, bodga said:

and when can they do a  revote when things go tits  up?

about 5 minutes after they,ve left.

[vogie]

Who will the SNP blame when they have finally rid themselves of the so loathsome English, nationalists need someone to hate, that's how they function. 

If you vote other than a nationalist you are branded scum or a traitor, that is not the way a modern fully functional society should work. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Who will the SNP blame when they have finally rid themselves of the so loathsome English, nationalists need someone to hate, that's how they function. 
 

They could ask some Brexiteers how to do it. They’re facing the same problem. 

 

[stevenl]

59 minutes ago, bodga said:

and when can they do a  revote when things go tits  up?

Maybe ask the brexiteers?

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

<snip>

If you vote other than a nationalist you are branded scum or a traitor, that is not the way a modern fully functional society should work. 

Sounds all really familiar

[JonnyF]

Funny how Scottish nationalists are aghast at Brexiteers wanting to leave the EU even though the EU is it's largest trading partner. How could they be so stupid etc.

 

Then they declare they want to leave the UK ????. 

 

 

[vogie]

18 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They could ask some Brexiteers how to do it. They’re facing the same problem. 

 

I know you are sad to see the UK leaving the EU, do lederhosen shorts have deep pockets? ????????????

[crazykopite]

53 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Is the claim of a 2000 pound union bonus correct?

I think she is referring to the Barnett formula that Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland receive  I’m led to believe that Scotland get in the region of £2,000+ for each person each year.

[crazykopite]

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Majority of Scots now want independence and Brexiteers fly into a panic.

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) why are you English/British nationalist so desperate to keep paying for it?

If Scotland has such a huge deficit (it does not) how is that a good advertisment for remaining in the Union? If a country so resource rich as Scotland is flat broke then its because of the union. Its because we are tied to Westminster.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU. We are being dragged out against our will. We want back in.

 

SNP only have 45% of the vote share that tells me only 45% of good Scottish folk want independence that tells me there is not a majority in Scotland for independence. I think she pushing it through as come the next elections SNP vote will be even lower than the 45% my own personal view is those who want Independence should pack there bags wherever they live abroad and move back home as Nicola will need all the help to just break even in the economy if they become independent. The loss of income just from the withdrawal of military personnel and the 10s of 1,000s of civilians who are employed in the Submarine base would be an absolute disaster for the region . The grass is not always greener on the other side .

Edited September 3, 2020 by crazykopite

[Katipo]

While I think it is a shame, I can't blame Scotland for wanting to extricate itself from Boris and his brexiteers. They have shown themselves to be lacking in vision when it comes to moving forward and creating a better UK. 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Who will the SNP blame when they have finally rid themselves of the so loathsome English, nationalists need someone to hate, that's how they function. 

If you vote other than a nationalist you are branded scum or a traitor, that is not the way a modern fully functional society should work. 

13 U turns and counting, obviously a fully functional society.

[robblok]

If this goes through it will be an other blow to the Brits becoming even more insignificant. That is what you get for leaving the EU. If Scotland is gone maybe Ireland can be united again and the English will be just a tiny country in a big world. 

 

Im getting popcorn this might be nice to watch. English free from the EU but becoming the US its slave. ????

 

Anyway lets wait and see.

Edited September 3, 2020 by robblok

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Funny how Scottish nationalists are aghast at Brexiteers wanting to leave the EU even though the EU is it's largest trading partner. How could they be so stupid etc.

 

Then they declare they want to leave the UK ????. 

 

 

I must have missed something, didn't realise Scotland had voted to leave the EU.

 

Wait a minute, in a so called democratic society they didn't have a choice.

[sandyf]

44 minutes ago, crazykopite said:

SNP only have 45% of the vote share that tells me only 45% of good Scottish folk want independence that tells me there is not a majority in Scotland for independence.

You are failing to recognise the difference between the SNP and independence.

A vote for independence will depend on the factors prevailing at the time of any referendum. In 2014 the number in favour of independence was much higher than the result of the referendum would indicate, a percentage just did not want Alex Salmond as their president. Also David Cameron's promise to the Scottish people that they would have a voice at the EU table was a contributing factor, something that Bojo conveniently wants to forget.

[trucking]

If the Scots want independence why not ?  But don't ask them because they might fluff it again.

 

You have to put it to the English. Do you think Scotland should be independent ...yes or no ?

 

Problem sorted and Scotland becomes independent. Where's the problem ?

 

The only difficulty arises if Scotland joins the EU as an independent nation.

 

That would , in the end lead to a hard border between Scotland and the rest of the British Isles.

 

If everyone is o.k. with that , then let it happen. 

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Who will the SNP blame when they have finally rid themselves of the so loathsome English, nationalists need someone to hate, that's how they function. 

If you vote other than a nationalist you are branded scum or a traitor, that is not the way a modern fully functional society should work. 

It won't be a modern fully functional society, it will be a cross between Brigadoon, Braveheart and Culloden!

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, crazykopite said:

I think she is referring to the Barnett formula that Scotland , Wales and Northern Ireland receive  I’m led to believe that Scotland get in the region of £2,000+ for each person each year.

I thought that was for sizing toupees.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Im getting popcorn this might be nice to watch. English free from the EU but becoming the US its slave. ????

I should imagine you might expect it to be  a parallel of the relationship between the Netherlands and The Federal Republic of Germany?

 

You know I am frequently at a loss to understand the deep antagonism to the United Kingdom (or more particularly England) expressed by so many on Thai Visa - and perhaps if you reflect accurately the views of your home countries, Western Europeans in general. You are not the only one of course, but in your case it is such a thoroughly reliable meme that it is almost disappointing on those rare occasions that you do not introduce it!

 

Do tell, why is it - I'm sure that it is nothing as simple as jealousy at the way the United Kingdom (or "England" as it is normally referred to in the pejorative sense) refused to allow itself to be subjugated to German occupation in 1940, and four years later was at the lead in liberating you from that subjugation?

Edited September 3, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Katipo said:

While I think it is a shame, I can't blame Scotland for wanting to extricate itself from Boris and his brexiteers. They have shown themselves to be lacking in vision when it comes to moving forward and creating a better UK. 

This Indy2 stuff started right after the Brexit vote, way before Boris was PM, which is only just over a year now.