Like it or not there are good ways to go and bad ways to go. I would rather take my chances with covid than die a slow death from starvation.

but the military government does not have to worry about starving so I don’t believe this problem will require any “emergency decree”

Sweden Close to Victory Over Virus;

Never Had A Lockdown or Mask Mandate

https://conservativeheadlinenews.com/sweden-close-to-victory-over-virus-never-had-a-lockdown-or-mask-mandate/

But this "government" knows better - They don't care about the people.

It's all about the power and personal gain.

Why on earth has this government don't provided social security for those people who have lost their businesses and jobs due to Covid is beyond me!! ????
How an  earth can  the majority of those people afford to pay their rent, mortgages, monthly car payments, without any real help from the government?! 
Being in in debt and struggling to put food on the table for your family is a seriously terrible and  stressful situation to be in..
Anyone who has been in such a situation will know exactly how it feels... 

 

Edited September 11, 20205 yr by Kaopad999

9 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Why on earth has this government don't provided social security for those people who have lost their businesses and jobs due to Covid is beyond me!! ????
How an  earth can  the majority of those people afford to pay their rent, mortgages, monthly car payments, without any real help from the government?! 
Being in in debt and struggling to put food on the table for your family is a seriously terrible and  stressful situation to be in..
Anyone who has been in such a situation will know exactly how it feels... 

 

Nobody pays any tax or social security here, I know of one family who were complaining about not getting the government handouts I asked them when was the last time you paid any tax

State sponsored gang stalking is designed to induce suicide.

 

17 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I'm surprised it's not higher, sadly will go up the next 6 months

As the debts start to mount up further from borrowing and establishments start demanding payments, or repossessions yes I fear the toll will rise considerably.

30 minutes ago, xerostar said:

Sweden Close to Victory Over Virus;

Never Had A Lockdown or Mask Mandate

https://conservativeheadlinenews.com/sweden-close-to-victory-over-virus-never-had-a-lockdown-or-mask-mandate/

But this "government" knows better - They don't care about the people.

It's all about the power and personal gain.

Only 58 deaths from this virus is a victory.

 

29 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Why on earth has this government don't provided social security for those people who have lost their businesses and jobs due to Covid is beyond me!!

There is social security for those that pay income taxes. Don't pay income taxes you don't get it.

 

Same same your country. 

more suicides than covid deaths .the stupidity is .....killing people.most common cause of death in thailand death by stupidity look at the roads and cops

I too find the figures much lower than I thought they would be the poor are battling well but for how long

1 hour ago, xerostar said:

Sweden Close to Victory Over Virus;

Never Had A Lockdown or Mask Mandate

https://conservativeheadlinenews.com/sweden-close-to-victory-over-virus-never-had-a-lockdown-or-mask-mandate/

But this "government" knows better - They don't care about the people.

It's all about the power and personal gain.

I am in Sweden now and life here is almost back to normal and the economy seems to be doing OK. Lots of old people died in the care homes here but I am still happy that I left Thailand this spring. When the Thai military government introduced ban on alcohol sales I thought it was too much, I don't like to live in a police state with crazy rules. 

new TAT PR campaign:  40x more suicides than covid deaths

Great  pic  to  start  one the  left  look  like one of the  Muffets  and on the Right  world  war 11  Nazi  Joe 

 

Suicide  and  road toll  population  going  faster down  than up 

Maybe  time for that  revolution  ... change  the  Gov ... it is only way  to  give Thailand a chance 

Feel sorry  for the poor  souls  in desperation  have to die  cos  of no  work .. food  or  future 

Sadly  the rich  can not  even  conceive  what the real problem  is .......no understanding  at all  never been there

Good  Luck  Thailand

So how long, do you reckon, before people realise that the cure might be worse than the disease? When the money runs out I suppose. By that I mean the whole current (global) system is being sustained by government borrowing and that can only go on for so long, and there's no end in sight to the Covid crisis, so far as I can see.

Edited September 11, 20205 yr by nausea

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

You  think every Thai driver on the road is contemplating suicide ?

Considering how they drive, yes!

Do they count the murders on foreigners and rich Thais too? A lazy police always lets case numbers go up...

I did see an article the other day, sorry I cant find it now but anyway it was saying how suicides are up by 20% in Thailand

3 hours ago, ChipButty said:

go and do your neighbours gardens

 

You know what happens then.

 

Where is your work permit?? Sorry, no have   -    Deportation. 

 

The way things are handled here, there will soon be a new law and Suicide punishable with a fine of 500 Baht.

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Only 58 deaths from this virus is a victory.

 

There is social security for those that pay income taxes. Don't pay income taxes you don't get it.

 

Same same your country. 

wait until Thailand will have no other choice thannopenonh tje cointry....

Why does the Government destroy the tourism industry when daily road deaths of around 60 people exceed the total deaths from covid19 over 6 months of 58 people and at least an extra 400 suicides. The latter figure will sadly increase as more people will lose their jobs over the coming months. 

18 hours ago, aussienam said:

A Thai friend of mine chatted with me lately and she wants to commit suicide.  No job, no money, a son to support, misery.  I am in Oz and feel the same, albeit different reasons for wanting to end it all: stranded out of Thailand 6 months living in tiny spare room out of suitcase, with huge conflict, double rent, huge losses in investment due to COVID19, uncertainty when or if I can get back as a retiree.  Dying is getting to be a more attractive option for many of us.  

Don't ever consider suicide, it isn't an escape, all you do is make things worse. Esoterically you will be locked in a "hell-like" situation where you still need fulfill your time line. Karmically you have not dealt with whatever situation you have had to, as such you will find yourself in a similar or worse one in the next life. You won't return as the same personality, however you will be the same individual, so you still go through it.

 

I appreciate most Westerners don't fully understand these concepts properly, however there is good reason most religions advise never to contemplate. You won't go to hell as such, but it will seem like it. It's shocking that it would even be contemplated in a Buddhist country where people should be properly informed of the consequences.

 

All situations, good or bad, we encounter are self generated by previous lives, the only way to remove these bad karmic situations is to work through them. Many situations can seem unbearable but it's like that for a reason, they will pass if you address them properly. Balance can't be avoided.

This confirms that none of these people in charge in any department has a clue what they are doing !!

Pretty sure their figures are lies and it’s far higher , just like most other things they hide. Unfortunately in the next 6 months they will rocket if people don’t get financial help or back to their jobs which unfortunately may now be gone for good in a lot of cases due to the government keeping the country locked down from international flights !

2 hours ago, diks said:

Considering how they drive, yes!

Really everyone ?

19 hours ago, Bangel72 said:

Seems to be a little bit disheartening with the first point of contacts being CDC and police rather than have groups for people to contact who have both the kindness and some level of authority to actually help people.

 

I see the financial problems elevating this risk given the current situation, the loan sharks have been well and truly circling over the last few months with many people likely to lose everything and end in forced labour to pay off debts. 

 

I had a friend contact one of the government supported debt help groups, they said they had to contact local police first, are trust levels there for people to actually seek the help they need?

 

People need actual help before the get to the suicidal stages and that help needs to be trusted and accessible with real potential to address root cause.

 

 

Prove to us you are going to kill yourself, and then we MIGHT help. Maybe. Depends on how serious the situation is.

 

What can one say? This administration is profoundly tone deaf. No wonder, it is populated by very rich men and women, who do not care for the well being of the masses, one iota. It is all about self preservation. They will talk till they are blue in the face about how proud they are to be Thai, and how much they love their country. I call it fake nationalism. Empty suit nationalism. Empty pride. 

 

For many of us, it is all about action. Words mean little. Show us. Show us something. Show us anything! 

Edited September 11, 20205 yr by spidermike007

 

22 hours ago, webfact said:

An operational system should be ready within this year to deal with suicides, which are on the rise.

 

Sure hope the monitoring team is not in the office of a tall building !

 

I wonder what the percentage was for the ruling elite? ????

Closed borders destroy people's life 

More die from anything else then Corona 

But nobody care about anything but corona 

58 people mostly old died in over 6 months 

More die because of Corona problems then from corona 

A still nothing change 

Can only hope they finally realize it 

Only solution is opening a recovering the tourist industry last min a export industry before Thailand is in the passed finished 

Like a man on death bed need electric shock last thing to save him 

If they ensured that the government handouts went to the people who are really in need, it would be a very good start.

 

Same same, siphoned off before it gets to them, or they are not capable of claiming without a lot of assistance which they don’t get

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Of course this hapless administration is going to dispute this. They are filthy, disengenuous, lying, and self preservation is their number one priority. 

 

Did anyone know there was a Mental Health Bureau here? First time I have heard of it in over a decade? Did they fabricate this Bureau out of thin air? If not, they sure have done of great job of keeping it hidden. 

 

Of course suicides will go up here. This is the first time in history nearly the entire economy was deliberately shut down. It was an exercise in insanity. What effect did they think that would have, when the administration was totally unwilling to come up any real assistance money for the masses?

 

Remember, the initial 5,000 baht plan had a rejection rate of 86%! 22 billion for completely useless vanity submarines, but no money for the Thai people. Shows exactly how insincere these toxic, incompetent and nearly useless army people are. 

I think you nailed it Mike. They wrecked a whole economy over 58 deaths Insanity

1 hour ago, JusticeGB said:

Why does the Government destroy the tourism industry when daily road deaths of around 60 people exceed the total deaths from covid19 over 6 months of 58 people and at least an extra 400 suicides. The latter figure will sadly increase as more people will lose their jobs over the coming months. 

Because if they didn't close the borders there probably would have been a massive outbreak as we have seen in the UK and USA and the economy would have been down 50% or more and not just the 20% due to the devastation of the tourism sector.

 

There's a bigger picture.

 

In comparison to countries in the West, Thailand has handled the crisis surprisingly well.