Johnson lashes out at EU as he clears first hurdle for Brexit treaty breach

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

What hypocrisy, how many nationalists in the Scottish Parliament, I have to admit we have a few in the House of Commons, but guess what they are Scots Nats too, seriously I don't think you should be preaching about nationalism anywhere on these boards.

 

We dont think we are better than anyone else.

We just want to be the same as everyone else and run our own country.

[Matzzon]

42 minutes ago, transam said:

The ordinary Brit on the street that you know so much about is hardly in an open worldwide book, sunbeam.....????

That goes for all countries. I thought you understood that I meant in politics and official matters as well as authorities. However, I seem to have overestimated possible capabilities. ????

 

Or are you meaning that the arrogance is not shining through enough?

Edited September 16, 2020 by Matzzon

[Rookiescot]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

That's a fair point actually. But both Brexiters and Remainers lost all moral high ground during the run-up to the referendum and afterwards.

 

My eldest daughter was abused verbally and vilified by other students at her university for daring to express different views to the "mob". (She has very different political views to me, as is her right). Those doing the abusing were Remainers.

 

All because Cameron thought he was being clever and could shut up the Tory anti EU faction.

As a remainer I will not condone that kind of behavior. On either side of the debate.

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

If what you think is true then Johnson GAVE the EU the NI revolver. 

He signed the deal.

 

That's what I wrote. He should have been smarter and either inadvertently gave them that, or didn't notice and fell into their trap. Either way he's responsible and therefore must find a way out. His actions now are his attempts (or should we say Cumming's attempts?).

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

As a remainer I will not condone that kind of behavior. On either side of the debate.

 

I voted remain. Most of my UK relations voted to leave. What's noticeable is it tends to be the younger ones that are intolerant of different opinions than their own. Sad.

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

We dont think we are better than anyone else.

We just want to be the same as everyone else and run our own country.

 

Your country is the UK. And has been for several hundred years.

 

Did you read the interesting article on the Shetlands btw? Seems their council is thinking of it's own referendum to be free from Scotland's parliament and governance.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

16 minutes ago, david555 said:

Or even  the whole World …..????

 

Rather like the French, who still think French is an international language France is a colonial power; or the Germans who believe Merkel leads the free world; or the Americans who see the US as the current world's policeman; or the Chinese who want to quietly do what they want and stuff the RoW; or Putin, Erdogan etc

 

The list is endless.

[Baerboxer]

26 minutes ago, david555 said:

Government is simultaneously trying to head off rebellions in both the House of Commons - where Boris Johnson enjoys a working majority of 90 - and the House of Lords, where the Conservatives are outnumbered by 536 opposition to 250 Tories ????

 

The House of Lords, can at best, cause slight delay. No veto. The large opposition is thanks to previous Labour regimes creating peerages for people who donated large amounts of money to their party! A relic that's been turned into a pantomime of an old boys and gals club.

Edited September 16, 2020 by Baerboxer

[superal]

17 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Brexiteers always claimed the reason Mays deal was a failure was because the EU did not believe the UK was ready to leave without a deal.

Well Johnson put the no deal revolver on he table and has been playing with it ever since.

If he insists on reneging on the WA the EU are going to tell him to just go ahead and use it.

Followed by sanctions, fines and a possible trade war.

Is this what Brexiteers voted for?

I suspect not but they claim they knew what they were voting for. 

coffee , smell , and , the , up , wake ,        can you manage to get words in the right order too make sense because your posts do not , simply  conjecture and quotes without substance . 

[transam]

23 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

But you English nationalists dont mind telling the Scots what they are thinking eh?

Have I, hmmmm, thought I had only told you you were an anti-British Brit, same as the non-Brits spouting their EU club stuff.....????

[transam]

22 minutes ago, robblok said:

No I havent as you deserved those Trans. Its not like you havent done the same.

Have I called you anything personal,  no, not even a fat bloke....You just don't like the truth when it is put in front of you that may hurt...But you never hold back slagging off British folk here.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Have I, hmmmm, thought I had only told you you were an anti-British Brit, same as the non-Brits spouting their EU club stuff.....????

 

The SNP and supporters call people who don't support Scottish independence traitors. Many are ethnic Irish rather than Scots. Fueling anti English sentiment is clearly going to help their cause although Mrs Sturgeon will deny she's anti English in anyway.

 

Actually, as you point our, we're all British. Acts against the UK are treasonous. 

 

It's not English people telling Scottish nationalists what to think. No one does. They think as they wish. But it should be British people who vote in any referendum that fundamentally alters any aspect of the country and / or its constitution. Not a minority of about 4% of the population dictating their will.

[nauseus]

17 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Brexiteers always claimed the reason Mays deal was a failure was because the EU did not believe the UK was ready to leave without a deal.

Well Johnson put the no deal revolver on he table and has been playing with it ever since.

If he insists on reneging on the WA the EU are going to tell him to just go ahead and use it.

Followed by sanctions, fines and a possible trade war.

Is this what Brexiteers voted for?

I suspect not but they claim they knew what they were voting for. 

Rubbish from the off - May was a remainer, then got the PM job, then failed again.

 

We knew what we were voting for and May was not part of the package at the time.

[nauseus]

17 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Sadly, from what I have read, the vast majority of Brexiteers are more than comfortable with this outcome......go figure!

 

It just beggars belief......but I guess, having been indoctrinated by the Mail and Express for 40 odd years, it is difficult to think clearly.

If you believe that then no wonder you have difficulty in thinking.

[nauseus]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Its not a threat its what you are getting.

Brexiteers overplayed their hand and now its time to show what you got.

Which is a hand like a foot.

Better than foot in mouth.

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic, bickering, baiting posts and replies removed

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, mrfill said:

No, they didn't. In the case of Nice, the initial deal was poor and got rejected (46%/54%) on a 34% turn out. A much improved deal was negotiated by the Irish and was passed 63%/37%. In the case of Lisbon, the initial deal was poor and got rejected (47%/53%). A much improved deal was negotiated by the Irish and was passed 67%/33%. It wasn't a small shift in voting in either case.

 

Re-negotiation was the key in both events. Not putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "YOU WILL DO IT MY WAY".

Much improved? Wot a larf. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

But it should be British people who vote in any referendum that fundamentally alters any aspect of the country and / or its constitution. Not a minority of about 4% of the population dictating their will.

Good that EU people didn’t demand that when it came to Brexit: “It should be EU people who vote in any referendum that fundamentally alters any aspects of the Union. Not a minority of the population dictating their will.” 
 

If a country wants to leave a union, it should, of course, be up to the country to decide that. It shouldn’t be other countries dictating their will. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

First line just repeats the usual spit and venom. 

Yes, and these are the EU blokes spouting their hate for the UK on here. Sad stuff..

 

 

 

[david555]

23 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Rather like the French, who still think French is an international language France is a colonial power; or the Germans who believe Merkel leads the free world; or the Americans who see the US as the current world's policeman; or the Chinese who want to quietly do what they want and stuff the RoW; or Putin, Erdogan etc

 

The list is endless.

That is why we also  have our say ..... what the brexiteers  find so annoying seems …..????

Edited September 16, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Maybe you should also not forget it was nationalism in Germany and other countries that started it. Europe was preventing this in the last years making an united front. Now its the UK with its nationalist causing trouble. Maybe you should learn more from history then just who fought who but what causes war and see that nationalism is NOT a good thing.

Don't compare like this - it is insulting.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Lormak said:

This seems an opportune time to remind ourselves of a particularly relevant passage from one of Churchill's great speeches, delivered on 4th June 1940....

"We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

 

Not really.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

Oh dead oh dear. What drivel Any duress has been self inflicted by opting to leave the largest trading bloc in the world and believing the sweet lies peddled by the Leavers campaign.

The cost of stupidity as the Thais say.

I understand the resentment against the influx of many east Europeanss, middle class liberal friends of mine complain about the Romanians in particular being rude and demanding, but surely there was a better way to deal with this than standing alone economically.

 

There was - a simple common market.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Patriotism is equally stupid, even more so if it’s following the above definition. Who are “your own people” and how do you “love” them? It’s equally nonsense as being “proud” of “your country”. You typically find this in people who didn’t achieve much they can actually be proud of, and who don’t have many friends and loved ones to actually love. Thus escaping into loving and being proud of something abstract as “my country” and “our people”. 
 

(Not to mention that many people when they say “patriotism” are in fact practicing hate of other people while claiming that is the patriotic thing to do.) 

 

 

 

You talk of nonsense in such a nonsensical way. Fantastico.

[david555]

23 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The House of Lords, can at best, cause slight delay. No veto. The large opposition is thanks to previous Labour regimes creating peerages for people who donated large amounts of money to their party! A relic that's been turned into a pantomime of an old boys and gals club.

I know …. but every time they can send Boris back with message to make his proposal more acceptable …. better than filibustering …! And if no meaning , then why he Boris  is worried ?….. maybe about the message who comes out of it to the world stage ….. "you do not deny your signature or break international treaty or  law unilateral ".

 

About composition  of HOL. you might be right ….. Conservatives probably put their favoring elseward …. "same-same but a bit different" as  we say in Thailand 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, chilli42 said:

As a complete outsider I always wonder why this never seems to come up (the lack of power the UK wields on the global stage). While a member of the EU, the UK was at least part of a significant trading block that enabled some outsized leverage.  Once outside of the EU, the UK really is small and weak.  Just take a look at the global labor productivity rankings ... UK just edges out Italy.  Now to top things off, they want to break the deal they signed up for and alienate the EU, further undermining and making themselves weaker.  As a complete outsider it’s very difficult to understand the economic strategy the the UK is pursuing (the political strategy/agenda is quite transparent).

The referendum determined this course - try and understand the real reasons for the result. Hint: not economic.

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

 

"The EU still have not taken this revolver off the table," Johnson told parliament before the vote

I do think he has it backwards..... U(K)SSR  roulette

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

56 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Its a few clowns. No more than a dozen. 

The 4th picture includes the burning of a US and an Israel flag. You think that picture is from Scotland ????

New game: spot the stars and bars. Took me ages amongst all those jacks.

Edited September 16, 2020 by nauseus

[david555]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

There was - a simple common market.

But you don't like the rules to follow in that option …. end line...., 14 days from midnight and further the clock is ticking .

Forgot E.U.'s  deadline for negotiations...? Unless …. 

Edited September 16, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

53 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

That goes for all countries. I thought you understood that I meant in politics and official matters as well as authorities. However, I seem to have overestimated possible capabilities. ????

 

Or are you meaning that the arrogance is not shining through enough?

I guess yours is anyway.