Johnson lashes out at EU as he clears first hurdle for Brexit treaty breach

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

I suggest that you do some research rather than simply post your usual Pavlovian response that because Boris said it, it's better than Holy Writ.

 

Then you will know what is obvious to the rest of us; including the DUP who you love to call upon in support of your arguments.

Already there mate. I read the relevant chapters - they are not what you claim. Better you go have a read of it too, rather than The Grauniad.  

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

@nauseus frequently brings this subject up, and every time he proves himself incapable of seeing the difference between an alliance of independent forces and a single force subject to the control of a single bureaucracy.

 

Whether that is a deliberate ploy in an attempt to justify his argument, or due to lack of intellectual ability; only he knows.

Please continue so the rest of us know what you are actually talking about.

[nauseus]

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

OMG !!!!

We better leave NATO as well. Its always talking about better integration of its member states armed forces.

Being a member of NATO also undermines our sovereignty. 

Mmmmmm sovereignty.

 

Is your name Pike, from Dad's Army?

[nauseus]

8 hours ago, luckyluke said:

English being my 4th. language. I  do my best.

Google translation is not always the most accurate.

However pretty sure you understood what I intended to express. 

Which I think is the most important in a conversation between people with different native languages.  

I understood your spite. So there is not conversation to be had. 

[7by7]

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Already there mate. I read the relevant chapters - they are not what you claim. Better you go have a read of it too, rather than The Grauniad.  

 

If you have read the relevant chapters, you have clearly failed to understand them.

 

I will try and make this simple so even you can understand.

 

Whilst the Belfast agreement does not specifically mention that there should be no hard border between North and South, the implication is there and that implication has accepted by all parties ever since.

 

Except for your heroes in the DUP who rejected the whole agreement at the time.

 

Brexit meant that there was now a land border between a non EU state, the UK, and an EU one, the RoI. Under normal circumstances this would not be a problem. The EU has land borders with many non member states with the appropriate controls at those borders. 

 

But as stated, the history and politics of the island of Ireland made this simple arrangement impossible, so a solution had to be found. In May's deal this was the backstop, in Johnson's it is the protocol.

 

Remove that protocol and replace it with nothing means either a hard border or an open one.

 

The EU would understandably find an open border with a non member state unacceptable; and many British citizens and politicians would find it unacceptable as well. Especially those that support Brexit.

 

How would you feel about the UK having an open border with the EU which anyone could easily cross with no checks? Wasn't doing away with that one of the main reasons for Leave winning in 2016?

 

[7by7]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Please continue so the rest of us know what you are actually talking about.

 As made clear by the post I quoted and responded to; I'm talking about your obsession with the imaginary EU army.

[androokery]

So the inevitable conclusion is that there will be a hard border between Rep Ireland and N Ireland and there will probably be violence and unrest involving IRA and others and what is currently happening is just a blame game? Making sure the EU gets the blame for the inevitable consequences of Brexit?

Edited September 16, 2020 by androokery

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

If you have read the relevant chapters, you have clearly failed to understand them.

 

I will try and make this simple so even you can understand.

 

Whilst the Belfast agreement does not specifically mention that there should be no hard border between North and South, the implication is there and that implication has accepted by all parties ever since.

 

Except for your heroes in the DUP who rejected the whole agreement at the time.

 

Brexit meant that there was now a land border between a non EU state, the UK, and an EU one, the RoI. Under normal circumstances this would not be a problem. The EU has land borders with many non member states with the appropriate controls at those borders. 

 

But as stated, the history and politics of the island of Ireland made this simple arrangement impossible, so a solution had to be found. In May's deal this was the backstop, in Johnson's it is the protocol.

 

Remove that protocol and replace it with nothing means either a hard border or an open one.

 

The EU would understandably find an open border with a non member state unacceptable; and many British citizens and politicians would find it unacceptable as well. Especially those that support Brexit.

 

How would you feel about the UK having an open border with the EU which anyone could easily cross with no checks? Wasn't doing away with that one of the main reasons for Leave winning in 2016?

 

Full of yourself again, and got it all wrong again. 

You said:  Now Johnson wants to remove his Northern Ireland Protocol from his withdrawal agreement. This will break the Belfast agreement as it effectively places a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. 

This is simply not what the IMB says. Try get it right rather than drifting into your made up consequences, with which you hope to return to Project Fear. Well it didn't work last time round and it won't work this time.

 

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

your spite.

Your opinion. 

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 your English is far worse.

It is obvious you never been to Pattaya, and met the Britons there. 

[Scott]

Posts critical of English language skills have been removed.   If you continue you will face a suspension. 

 

 

[transam]

15 hours ago, david555 said:

Than you are not as clever as other brexiteers , I call my self a European now , as the game Brexiteers  like to play the game from divide and rool ….., did not work and shall not work , we 27 can have some differences , but not in this Brexit game , united we are .

 

And let me now give you latest from Brussels where the opinion is no it shall be a no deal as much we would like different , the expectation  is now for no deal . 

 

You can hear it very soon on your news and  Sky news 

Shame you didn't do that stuff in 1939, eh.....

[david555]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

Shame you didn't do that stuff in 1939, eh.....

Looks mor that a present part of your kind fit to that .....a "lord How  How " would be proud of those ....

[transam]

Just now, david555 said:

Looks mor that a present part of your kind fit to that .....a "lord How  How " would be proud of those ....

Pity you cannot give an answer as to why you didn't, isn't it....?   

[david555]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Pity you cannot give an answer as to why you didn't, isn't it....?   

As i was not born in 39 yet...????

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

As i was not born in 39 yet...????

 

 

But you have had your eyes closed after you were, very convenient eh....????

[Rookiescot]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

Shame you didn't do that stuff in 1939, eh.....

You on about the war again Uncle Albert? 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

You on about the war again Uncle Albert? 

 

I am on about Europe, every aspect of it, and you, as an "anti-Brit" Brit, are looked down upon by me, not that that will affect anything you believe in or say, we had a few of the same ilk during 1939-45 to deal with, didn't we......????

[david555]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

But you have had your eyes closed after you were, very convenient eh....????

13 days for E.U. deadline ...start preparing ????....Boris deadline is no more ...????

[transam]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

13 days for E.U. deadline ...start preparing ????....Boris deadline is no more ...????

You keep avoiding my points, why is that....?

[david555]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

You keep avoiding my points, why is that....?

Wrong not avoiding your point ....just only YOU...????

Same as i avoid a dog turd if in my way...

 

[owl sees all]

Just leave the sinking ship Boris. No need to diss' or lash anyone.

 

Just get on with it.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 As made clear by the post I quoted and responded to; I'm talking about your obsession with the imaginary EU army.

I think it is the EU with the obsession. Read the paper and let me know your thoughts?

[transam]

37 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Again these old-fashioned and irrelevant bluster.

It was Russia that defeated the Nazi army and the Americans who finished the work in Western Europe, mainly to block the Russians.

Without them you would probably be speaking German today.

This in no way detracts from the courage of your fathers who bravely fought the aggressor, like that of all resistance fighters in the occupied countries.

What are you on about, my points are nothing to do with WHO won the war, it is about WHO were complicit in aiding the German government of the day, whether 100% or factions, that is the reason some of you here want to forget that period in time, I don't, because if folk could do then perhaps they could do it again....

[transam]

40 minutes ago, david555 said:

Wrong not avoiding your point ....just only YOU...????

Same as i avoid a dog turd if in my way...

 

That is a reply of the defeated, sound familiar to you......????

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I am on about Europe, every aspect of it, and you, as an "anti-Brit" Brit, are looked down upon by me, not that that will affect anything you believe in or say, we had a few of the same ilk during 1939-45 to deal with, didn't we......????

I can understand your fixation with WW2. It was the last time the UK was a significant factor in world events.

Since then it has been a long, slow, painful decline.

Those days are not coming back. The UK is now an insular, backward looking small island.

Get used to it. Most people have.

[transam]

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

I can understand your fixation with WW2. It was the last time the UK was a significant factor in world events.

Since then it has been a long, slow, painful decline.

Those days are not coming back. The UK is now an insular, backward looking small island.

Get used to it. Most people have.

The Scottish bloke runs down his country again..A salute sir......

 

 

 

[luckyluke]

I don't see the problem with an E.U. army.

Should it represent a greater danger than any other army?

Would they than intend to invade the U.S.A. or Russia or...

Happy to be informed what the concrete risks may be. 

 

[Surelynot]

Just now, luckyluke said:

I don't see the problem with an E.U. army.

Should it represent a greater danger than any other army?

Would they than intend to invade the U.S.A. or Russia or...

Happy to be informed what the concrete risks may be. 

 

For many on here the letters "EU" are the problem......nothing else.

[Rookiescot]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

The Scottish bloke runs down his country again..A salute sir......

 

 

 

UKIP conference? 

It still looks like good old Nige on the far left dont it?

The resemblance is uncanny.