Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus vaccine, says Trump cannot be trusted

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Democrat Biden warns against rushing out coronavirus vaccine, says Trump cannot be trusted

By Joseph Ax

 

FILE PHOTO: Democratic U.S. presidential nominee Joe Biden adjusts his protective face mask before departing for travel to Orlando from Tampa International Airport, Florida, U.S., September 15, 2020. REUTERS/Leah Millis/File Photo

 

WILMINGTON, Del. (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump's charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout.

 

"Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump," Biden said. "At this moment, the American people can’t either."

Biden warned against trying to rush out an unfinished vaccine ahead of the Nov. 3 election.

 

Trump, who has accused Biden and his campaign of stoking doubt among Americans about the efficacy of a vaccine, told reporters at the White House later that Biden should stop promoting "anti-vaccine theories."

 

"They're recklessly endangering lives. You can't do that," said Trump, who predicted at least 100 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine could be distributed by the end of 2020.

 

The coronavirus has caused about 195,000 U.S. deaths, the most of any country, and millions of job losses, becoming a central issue in the presidential campaign. Trump has repeatedly downplayed COVID-19's risks, particularly early in the crisis and has also drawn criticism for ignoring or disputing warnings from scientists and public health officials.

 

Speaking from his home base of Wilmington, Delaware, on Wednesday, Biden argued that such a vaccine should only be approved by adhering to rigorous safety standards.

 

"Scientific breakthroughs don’t care about calendars any more than the virus does. They certainly don’t adhere to election cycles. And their timing, their approval and distribution, should never, ever be distorted by political considerations," he said.

 

Earlier, Republican U.S. Representative Brad Wenstrup, a physician and Trump supporter, dismissed those concerns in a call with reporters, saying the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would ensure any new vaccine was safe.

 

"We believe the FDA is not going to approve something that isn’t safe and effective," Wenstrup said.

 

At the White House, Trump contradicted one of his own top health officials, Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

 

Redfield told a congressional panel on Wednesday that even if a COVID-19 vaccine was approved in the coming weeks, it likely would not be widely available to the public until the middle of next year.

 

"No, I think he made a mistake when he said that," Trump said. "That's incorrect information. I believe he was confused. I think he just misunderstood the question, probably."

 

Biden spoke after being briefed on the virus by several public health experts, including Vivek Murthy, the former U.S surgeon general. His speech was part of a delicate balancing act the former vice president has struck in recent weeks, as Trump has suggested a vaccine could be approved ahead of the election.

 

'TRUST THE SCIENTIST'

Biden, who leads the president in national opinion polls, has questioned whether Trump is pressuring agencies like the FDA to sign off on a vaccine to boost his re-election prospects. At the same time, Biden has been careful to say he wants to see a safe vaccine as soon as possible.

 

"There has to be total transparency, so scientists outside the government know what is being approved," Biden said. "I’m saying, trust the scientist."

 

Health experts have expressed concern that not enough Americans will volunteer to take an approved coronavirus vaccine, in part because of the speed with which it is being created. Most vaccines are developed over a decade or more.

 

In a July Reuters/Ipsos poll, just over 60% of Americans said they were interested in taking a vaccine, around the threshold that experts say is likely to be necessary to halt the pandemic's spread.

 

Trump's penchant for spreading misinformation about the coronavirus may hurt his ability to assure Americans of the vaccine's safety, the poll suggested. Only 15% of respondents said they would be more willing if Trump said the vaccine was safe. More than twice as many said a presidential endorsement would actually make them less interested in taking the vaccine.

 

Biden has sought for months to portray Trump's response to the outbreak as a failure that has caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. His argument was bolstered last week by the release of recorded interviews between Trump and journalist Bob Woodward, in which the president acknowledged deliberately downplaying the deadliness of the virus.

 

(Reporting by Joseph Ax; Additional reporting by Trevor Hunnicutt and Alexandra Alper; Written by James Oliphant; Editing by Scott Malone, Colleen Jenkins and Peter Cooney)

 

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[riclag]

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

Edited September 17, 2020 by riclag

[Fat is a type of crazy]

It's hard to post on these topics each day. Yesterday's topic: Trump lies about the pandemic, puts the safety of his own supporters at risk,  and would do anything to get elected.  Todays topic: Amazing update: Trump lies about the pandemic, puts the safety of his own supporters at risk,  and would do anything to get elected.

[nakornpingpong]

16 minutes ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-contradicts-his-cdc-director-over-masks-vaccine-timeline-416475

[nakornpingpong]

28 minutes ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

[Tug]

36 minutes ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

Huh your guy is hosting super spreader events he’s got more Americans killed than we lost fighting the Japanese in ww2 + the 26,000 we lost from the 8th Air Force ww2 European theater +30,000 more dead over and above those totals in 7 months no sir trump doesent follow advice we weren’t born yesterday most of us aren’t rubes

[Boon Mee]

5 hours ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

Yessir - that's the difference between a genuine leader and a pupit of the far left such as Biden. 

[Chiphigh]

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Huh your guy is hosting super spreader events he’s got more Americans killed than we lost fighting the Japanese in ww2 + the 26,000 we lost from the 8th Air Force ww2 European theater +30,000 more dead over and above those totals in 7 months no sir trump doesent follow advice we weren’t born yesterday most of us aren’t rubes

So if we use your logic, and I use that term loosely, you can put all deaths from all Sars and influenza outbreaks on whatever president is in office. 

 

Do I have that correct as your stance? 

 

He's responsible for governor's policies of putting covid infected patients back into nursing homes too, if we use your "logic" 

[rupert the bear]

it appears that this political theatre is at a cost to our health,relationships, livelihoods and economies.we see a no of govts trying to hang this out as long as possible,for their own political purposes or having been proven inept and incompetent time after time wish to be seen to be doing something effective,see UK and europe[death and hospital rates have plumetted but cases are up as they test millions who arnt ill.even if the cases are asymptomatic which is proven to spread it with great difficulty].its obvious that biden will suffer if they intro a vaccine before the election and trump will gain.if it goes thru the 3 phase test and clears its good to go but dont let that stand in the way of whatever political bigotry you harbour

[PattayaJames]

6 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It's hard to post on these topics each day. Yesterday's topic: Trump lies about the pandemic, puts the safety of his own supporters at risk,  and would do anything to get elected.  Todays topic: Amazing update: Trump lies about the pandemic, puts the safety of his own supporters at risk,  and would do anything to get elected.

That's the MSM for you, relentless anti Trump propaganda.

Surprised it's taken you 4 years to notice.

[nakornpingpong]

10 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

That's the MSM for you, relentless anti Trump propaganda.

Surprised it's taken you 4 years to notice.

Don't forget to mention the MSM's co conspirators: the scientific community including the President's own Coronavirus Task Force.

[Berkshire]

7 hours ago, nakornpingpong said:

7 hours ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/trump-contradicts-his-cdc-director-over-masks-vaccine-timeline-416475

5555....Trump supporters contradict themselves just like Dear Leader.

 

Biden is right.  Trump could give a flying freak whether the new vaccine works or not or whether it's safe.  He just wants it out there so he can claim victory and take credit for it.  Before the election of course.   

[nakornpingpong]

1 hour ago, Chiphigh said:

So if we use your logic, and I use that term loosely, you can put all deaths from all Sars and influenza outbreaks on whatever president is in office. 

 

Do I have that correct as your stance? 

 

He's responsible for governor's policies of putting covid infected patients back into nursing homes too, if we use your "logic" 

Nothing he wrote said that 100 percent of the deaths are due to Trump. This is not an all or nothing situation. So it's not his logic that is defective.

How many needless Covid-19 deaths were caused by delays in responding? Most of them

https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/19/faster-response-prevented-most-us-covid-19-deaths/

[Ireland32]

What happened to Putiny Vaccine he made his daughter take 

[nakornpingpong]

17 minutes ago, Ireland32 said:

What happened to Putiny Vaccine he made his daughter take 

We'll have to take his word for it that his daughter actually took it. 

[lou norman]

10 hours ago, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

na, he'll wait for herd mentality

[Fat is a type of crazy]

3 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

That's the MSM for you, relentless anti Trump propaganda.

Surprised it's taken you 4 years to notice.

Actually I was taking it the other way round. That he is doing these things. Day after day. I just run out of ways to say how bad he is.

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

So if we use your logic, and I use that term loosely, you can put all deaths from all Sars and influenza outbreaks on whatever president is in office. 

 

Do I have that correct as your stance? 

 

He's responsible for governor's policies of putting covid infected patients back into nursing homes too, if we use your "logic" 

You are incorrect trumps lazy cowardly responce to the virus made trump responsible for 10s of thousands of American deaths he is continuing to hold his rallies with the full knowledge (Bob Woodward) tapes of the lethality of the virus around 2.97% that sir in my mind is a full 100% dereliction of duty to protect the American people he is what he is time for change 

[nakornpingpong]

12 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Wonder if Trump goes to the hairdressers salon without a mask too? That comb over must take some maintaining.

 

Anyways, should Trump not be elected, the Harris administration might be more successful at handling this.

Do you wonder if Pelosi appears indoors before large crowds of maskless supporters?

[FlyingThai]

I’d trust Trump and the task force more than Joe Biden, a man in adult diapers with an attention span of 20 seconds.

 

Trump has no influence on the vaccine entering the market or not. Nobody in the FDA and other departments is going to open himself up to potential menslaughter charges, lawsuits and hearings should something go wrong. If it’s safe then it will go into circulation. If not then it won’t.

 

The pharma companies are indemnified anyway, it’s all about the regulators.

[xofswen]

On 9/17/2020 at 2:01 AM, Tug said:

Huh your guy is hosting super spreader events he’s got more Americans killed than we lost fighting the Japanese in ww2 + the 26,000 we lost from the 8th Air Force ww2 European theater +30,000 more dead over and above those totals in 7 months no sir trump doesent follow advice we weren’t born yesterday most of us aren’t rubes

You are making false statements and assertions which should be omitted from your lies here.

 

Let me say that Biden has always been a grossly dishonest plagiarizing liar. But now he's also likely suffering from senility. It's really pathetic that he's running at all, making outrageous gaffes with every breath, and those close to him supporting him border on elder abuse.

Now anyone blaming 10's, 100's thousand dead Americans on 1 person... how do you find logic in that? Forget about politics, think about the question I just asked. A virus, that started in China and spread around the world infecting millions and killing thousands, how can you logically explain that was 1 single person's fault? On top of that, Trump worked with the experts, he listened and they did everything at the federal level they could to prevent the spread of this virus. A president can only help the states that request help or aid, 10th Amendment. If anyone is to blame, its the failure of state leaders to respond, enforce or regulate properly. (NY-Cuomo.

President Trump is not responsible. Go read the US Constitution.
The response to the (a) pandemic or outbreak is primarily the responsibility of state and local agencies.
Those Federal, state, and local career government bureaucrats in the public health sector are solely responsible for the death totals.
Look at how ignorant the general public is about where the median age of deaths is at. It's 75. The general public believes it's in the 55-65 age range.
That's the failure on the public health sector in educating the masses.
If they educated the masses about the real statistics, they can no longer control the masses by fear and ignorance.

It's good that the voting Americans can see thru what obviously escapes you and most others here and will do the right thing again, at the polls.

 

 I certainly don't seek medical advise from Trump, I consult a doctor for treatment and medication, and so will every America when taking medication and an approved vaccine for covid becomes available. Such nonsense, as expected from Biden.

Edited September 18, 2020 by xofswen

[Morch]

1 minute ago, FlyingThai said:

I’d trust Trump and the task force more than Joe Biden, a man in adult diapers with an attention span of 20 seconds.

 

Trump has no influence on the vaccine entering the market or not. Nobody in the FDA and other departments is going to open himself up to potential menslaughter charges, lawsuits and hearings should something go wrong. If it’s safe then it will go into circulation. If not then it won’t.

 

The pharma companies are indemnified anyway, it’s all about the regulators.

 

Tossing childish insult in the best tradition of the incumbent, somehow manages to ignore Trump's own attention span issues. Did you ever know him to keep on topic much?

 

Trump demonstrated that he can bully certain bodies. He's also setting himself an alibi - 'it's someone else's fault'. Commander in Chief? Only when things go right or can be exploited.

 

If not his call, why does he make promises, then?

 

 

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, xofswen said:

You are making false statements and assertions which should be omitted from your lies here.

 

Let me say that Biden has always been a grossly dishonest plagiarizing liar. But now he's also likely suffering from senility. It's really pathetic that he's running at all, making outrageous gaffes with every breath, and those close to him supporting him border on elder abuse.

Now anyone blaming 10's, 100's thousand dead Americans on 1 person... how do you find logic in that? Forget about politics, think about the question I just asked. A virus, that started in China and spread around the world infecting millions and killing thousands, how can you logically explain that was 1 single person's fault? On top of that, Trump worked with the experts, he listened and they did everything at the federal level they could to prevent the spread of this virus. A president can only help the states that request help or aid, 10th Amendment. If anyone is to blame, its the failure of state leaders to respond, enforce or regulate properly. (NY-Cuomo.

President Trump is not responsible. Go read the US Constitution.
The response to the (a) pandemic or outbreak is primarily the responsibility of state and local agencies.
Those Federal, state, and local career government bureaucrats in the public health sector are solely responsible for the death totals.
Look at how ignorant the general public is about where the median age of deaths is at. It's 75. The general public believes it's in the 55-65 age range.
That's the failure on the public health sector in educating the masses.
If they educated the masses about the real statistics, they can no longer control the masses by fear and ignorance.

It's good that the voting Americans can see thru what obviously escapes you and most others here and will do the right thing again, at the polls.

 

 I certainly don't seek medical advise from Trump, I consult a doctor for treatment and medication, and so will every America when taking medication and an approved vaccine for covid becomes available. Such nonsense, as expected from Biden.

 

Ignoring the childish, vile nonsense aimed at Biden and other posters.

 

While it's great that you do not seek Trump's medical advice, some people did and were adversely effected. That's on top of the example not set by the President with regard to masks, social distancing and a whole lot of other issues.

[Opl]

57 minutes ago, FlyingThai said:

I’d trust Trump and the task force more than Joe Biden, a man in adult diapers with an attention span of 20 seconds.

 

Trump has no influence on the vaccine entering the market or not. Nobody in the FDA and other departments is going to open himself up to potential menslaughter charges, lawsuits and hearings should something go wrong. If it’s safe then it will go into circulation. If not then it won’t.

 

The pharma companies are indemnified anyway, it’s all about the regulators.

Which Trump do you trust? The one recorded on tape or the one rallying for re-election? 

[puck2]

On 9/17/2020 at 1:52 PM, Boon Mee said:

Yessir - that's the difference between a genuine leader and a pupit of the far left such as Biden. 

"Yessir", stupidity will never die, espially in the USA .......  as proven hereby and other TRUMP-posters in this thrtead.

 

Religion and politics have something in common:  belief !!!

 

And belief is  ---->  NOT knowing (the facts) !!!

Edited September 19, 2020 by puck2

[J Town]

On 9/17/2020 at 8:19 AM, riclag said:

Mr. Trump will use the advice of the task force and experts like he has done since the beginning,just like biden would do imop

How you can post that with a straight "face" boggles the imagination!

[ThailandRyan]

Life is like a bowl of Cherries, unfortunately no matter which one gets picked we always end up in the Pit's.  No winners, and only looser's.  All politicos need to be tossed out, and the war chests they have created to be used to assist the citizens with proper programs where one does not obtain any more benefits then the next.  Yes this post drips with Sarcasm, but all political banter is sarcasm in one way or another and reduces the ability of people from truly rational individuals to raving mad and foaming at the mouth lunatics.

[J Town]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Life is like a bowl of Cherries, unfortunately no matter which one gets picked we always end up in the Pit's.  No winners, and only looser's.  All politicos need to be tossed out, and the war chests they have created to be used to assist the citizens with proper programs where one does not obtain any more benefits then the next.  Yes this post drips with Sarcasm, but all political banter is sarcasm in one way or another and reduces the ability of people from truly rational individuals to raving mad and foaming at the mouth lunatics.

When the US originally formed its union, politicians were on a voluntary basis. It was a no pay gig. Since then, money has corrupted the entire government. Until money is taken out of the equation, there will be no justice, no honesty. Only corporations represented by lobbyists doling out marching orders to politicians who are protected by jack booted military parading as law enforcement. The good news - history books are filled with similar rulers who eventually got eaten by the masses whose backs were up against the wall with no other choices. We're quickly approaching pitchforks and torches.

[steelepulse]

Obviously Biden is saying this out of pure politics, but it's the right decision.  All we need are a bunch of people suffering spinal cord injuries (myelitis) from a rushed vaccine as what happened with the Astrazeneca vaccine.  IIRC, that same vaccine also got a bunch of test monkeys sick.

[steelepulse]

Here's a good article about testing protocols from the various contenders.

 

Under pressure, Pfizer, Moderna (and soon AstraZeneca) publish COVID-19 vaccine protocols

 

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/under-pressure-pfizer-moderna-and-soon-astrazeneca-publish-covid-vaccine-protocols