Trump contradicts CDC director on vaccine, masks: 'He was confused'

[watthong]

Remember Redfield the time you chuckled and nodded when Trump called gov Inslee a snake because the poor guy was complaining about lack of federal help in the face of covid? Or the time when you testified at the hearing and said that "we are not allowed - or "set up" (per Fauci) - to do this and that?" even though you were/are the head of the CDC? Probably you were basking in the warm embrace of Trump and couldn't see the bus coming.

[watthong]

 

 

[Morch]

33 minutes ago, J Town said:

The five best ways to beat this thing:

 

1. Wash hands frequently

2. Wear a mask

3. Don't listen to 45

4. Avoid touching your face

4. Cough into your sleeve

 

5. Let's be careful out there.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

38 minutes ago, Poet said:

Don't forget that we were told, by the highest medical authority just a few months ago, to not wear masks.

 

I think the public health officials who took that public posture early on were simply wrong.  Some have subsequently explained that they wanted to preserve the very short supplies of the most effective masks (N95 type) for frontline medical workers as opposed to the general public.

 

That rationale was my speculation at the time for why some health officials were giving that advice early on, when people here were claiming the reason was that masks really aren't effective against the CV, which simply isn't true, if the masks are worn properly and of suitable design and material. But still, that original advice helped undercut the effectiveness of efforts at persuading the public to wear and continue wearing masks.

 

But if you want one factor of judging how the U.S. federal government has criminally MIShandled the CV response, try finding and buying a legitimate authentic N95 mask today, months after the start of the pandemic. You can't. Not even hospitals and medical workers can obtain enough of them even now to meet their own needs, much less those of the general public. Gross failure and criminal mismanagement on the part of Trump's federal government.

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

That's sarcasm, yes?

not from a Texas guy, they don't know that word 555

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

More like brainwashed.  But once Trump is voted out-of-office in Nov, the deprogramming can begin.  Some in his cult, of course, may be beyond hope.  But a crazy old man without the power of the presidency is just a crazy old man.  It will be sad and pathetic to watch Trump post-presidency.

I am really looking forward to seeing it...., do need some good laughs 555

[Meat Pie 47]

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Sure Trump knows better, after all he is living in his own dreamworld.

Yes according to Dr Trump the vaccine will be ready in 3 to 4 weeks

[Canuck1966]

My sister has one of the top jobs in the NHS and the vaccine will 100% be rolled out on the 14th October in the UK

The US will obviously have a similar date too.

She is currently working on the logistics of it.

It's a massive undertaking 

 

NHS staff will get it first followed by people who are most vulnerable. 

 

 

[Canuck1966]

1 minute ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

Yes according to Dr Trump the vaccine will be ready in 3 to 4 weeks

He is 100% correct

[Tug]

56 minutes ago, J Town said:

The five best ways to beat this thing:

 

1. Wash hands frequently

2. Wear a mask

3. Don't listen to 45

4. Avoid touching your face

4. Cough into your sleeve

May I add one I personally when out and about wear a mask and tight fitting sunglasses I keep hand sanitizers in my truck and disinfect towletts as well (to wipe down my keys door handles or shopping cart if going to the store)we all know what to do follow safe protocols and whatever you do don’t listen to trump!!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, Poet said:

It may also turn out that certain categories of air purifier make a big difference.

 

In general, I think every little bit helps...  However, as regards air purifiers (which I use at home, but not for CV purposes), the scientific/medical advice I've read thus far is that they're not likely to be particularly effective in preventing/limiting CV transmission.

 

Reason being, the evidence seems to be that most transmission of CV comes via relatively close personal contact/exposure with an infected person. And a HEPA purifier, while good at what it's intended for, isn't going to protect you when you kiss your wife, or sleep next to her in bed at night, or stand chatting with her in the kitchen (just by way of some typical home life situations).

 

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/do-air-purifiers-work-for-covid-19-what-about-wildfire-smoke/

 

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Put simply, don't count on air purifiers to protect you from virus particles if you're cohabitating with a contagious person. When I talked on the phone with Dr. Richard Shaughnessy, the director of Indoor Air Research University of Tulsa, he said transmission of COVID usually happens due to close contact with an infected person. If you're sitting on a couch and chatting with someone who is infected, an air purifier across the room isn't going to remove all the harmful particles they exhale before they have a chance to reach you.

 

[Mavideol]

usually a vaccine takes 4-5 years to be fully tested for any potential side effects, such side effects can only be detected with the use of such vaccine for long period of time, how can anybody trust a "speed up-politically made" vaccine made in 4-5 months, how safe is it? start using it and 6 months down the road will be removed from the market as the side effect complications start to show up all around the world.... good luck for the ones taking it, not for me, will pass.... thanks

[Poet]

12 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

My sister has one of the top jobs in the NHS and the vaccine will 100% be rolled out on the 14th October in the UK

That's a stunning claim, would be wonderful if true.

Worth noting, though, that they've been working on this for less time than Apple has been working on this year's iPhone, and even that has been delayed until later than the 14th of October.

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Poet

[Meat Pie 47]

50 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

+ social distancing...

The American way

 

[Poet]

13 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

NHS staff will get it first

Typical. They get all the perks.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

May I add one I personally when out and about wear a mask and tight fitting sunglasses I keep hand sanitizers in my truck and disinfect towletts as well (to wipe down my keys door handles or shopping cart if going to the store)we all know what to do follow safe protocols and whatever you do don’t listen to trump!!

 

As I go about my life here, I operate just as if I was living in the U.S., where a maniac is in charge and where nearly 200,000 people have already died of CV and more soon to come.

 

I don't know that I can believe what the Thai govt says. And I don't know if they even have any basis for knowing because of the minimal CV testing that appears to be occurring here. So just to play it safe, I act and behave as if I am living right in the midst of the U.S. CV disaster zone, and take all necessary precautions.

 

 

[Berkshire]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

usually a vaccine takes 4-5 years to be fully tested for any potential side effects, such side effects can only be detected with the use of such vaccine for long period of time, how can anybody trust a "speed up-politically made" vaccine made in 4-5 months, how safe is it? start using it and 6 months down the road will be removed from the market as the side effect complications start to show up all around the world.... good luck for the ones taking it, not for me, will pass.... thanks

There's no way I'd take a vaccine pushed by Trump.  The FDA under Trump is also compromised.  Thankfully, the drug companies involved have pledged to not even request FDA approval until they're certain their vaccine is safe and effective.  Can you imagine a for-profit drug company being more trustworthy than the President? 

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Meat Pie 47 said:

The American way

 

 

More like Trump's way. His rival is routinely disparaged for acting sanely.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Poet said:

Typical. They get all the perks.

 

 

It's the same rationale as saving the best protection gear for medical staff - if they are overwhelmed, then none left to take care of the general populace. Same concept in emergency instructions while flying - put the oxygen mask first on your face, then your child's. Not the other way around.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

17 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

My sister has one of the top jobs in the NHS and the vaccine will 100% be rolled out on the 14th October in the UK

The US will obviously have a similar date too.

She is currently working on the logistics of it.

It's a massive undertaking 

 

NHS staff will get it first followed by people who are most vulnerable. 

 

Presumably you're talking about this trial vaccine in the UK:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coronavirus-vaccine-u-k-trial-restarts-but-scientists-question-lack-of-transparency/

 

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The UK trial of a leading coronavirus vaccine, which was abruptly halted last week because of safety concerns, restarted on Saturday after the university conducting the trial said an independent committee found that it was safe to do so.

 

The University of Oxford and pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca paused enrolment in the global trials of their vaccine candidate on 6 September, after a person participating in the UK trial experienced an adverse reaction.

 

 

Not a lot of transparency occurring in the UK with the serious adverse reaction that occurred with one particular trial vaccine recipient:

 

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National Institutes of Health Director Francis S. Collins testified before Congress that the illness that stopped the trial was transverse myelitis, an inflammation of the spinal cord, but the diagnosis was not confirmed by the drug company or by Oxford researchers.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/12/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-resumes/

 

[Phoenix Rising]

Trump contradicts CDC director on vaccine, masks: 'He was confused'

 

The despicable one continues his reign of error..

[Canuck1966]

55 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Presumably you're talking about this trial vaccine in the UK:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coronavirus-vaccine-u-k-trial-restarts-but-scientists-question-lack-of-transparency/

 

 

Not a lot of transparency occurring in the UK with the serious adverse reaction that occurred with one particular trial vaccine recipient:

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/09/12/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-resumes/

 

That patient's illness was nothing to do with the vaccination.  

The roll out is a matter of fact on the 14th October 

[Canuck1966]

1 hour ago, Poet said:

That's a stunning claim, would be wonderful if true.

Worth noting, though, that they've been working on this for less time than Apple has been working on this year's iPhone, and even that has been delayed until later than the 14th of October.

 

it's absolutely 100% fact. I've seen the documentation personally. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

That patient's illness was nothing to do with the vaccination.  

 

 

I haven't seen any impartial proof/evidence that that's actually the case....

 

"MAY NOT" be related is hardly conclusive or absolute.

 

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(Reuters) - The adverse events that led to a pause in trials evaluating AstraZeneca Plc’s COVID-19 vaccine candidate may not have been associated with the vaccine itself, according to a document outlining participant information that was posted online by the Oxford University.

 

Enrollment in the British drugmaker’s global trials of the vaccine, which it is developing with researchers at Oxford University, was paused on Sept. 6, after a participant in its U.K. trial had a serious side effect thought to be a rare spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca/astrazenecas-trial-illnesses-may-not-be-due-to-covid-19-shot-oxford-univ-idUSKBN2672TV

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Justgrazing]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he called Redfield after his testimony

I'd have let it ring .. 

[Canuck1966]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I haven't seen any impartial proof/evidence that that's actually the case....

 

"MAY NOT" be related is hardly conclusive or absolute.

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca/astrazenecas-trial-illnesses-may-not-be-due-to-covid-19-shot-oxford-univ-idUSKBN2672TV

 

They don't care, they just want it out there.  Obviously Boris wants Trump to win and it will help in the trade deal. Any side effects are meaningless to the big picture.

You heard Biden yesterday,  he knows its coming and is trying to undermine the efficacy 

[2 is 1]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

Anyone more open minded and intelligent than Trump can understand that.

That don't need many brain cell!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And more re the Oxford vaccine effort... All of these biotech companies involved have significant financial stakes in their trial vaccines being ultimately allowed and used... And perhaps some of the academic researchers involved as well. So it's not entirely surprising to have them attempting to downplay potential concerns.

 

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine:

 

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“The investigators have inadvisedly been hyping their own vaccine,” Schaffner said. “The Oxford investigators were out there this summer saying, ‘We’re going to get there first.’ But this is exactly the sort of reason … Dr. [Anthony] Fauci and the rest of us have been saying, ‘You never know what will happen once you get into large-scale human trials.’”

 

https://khn.org/news/nih-and-fda-examine-serious-side-effect-that-surfaced-in-covid-vaccine-trial/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

10 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

They don't care, they just want it out there.  Obviously Boris wants Trump to win and it will help in the trade deal. Any side effects are meaningless to the big picture.

 

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That patient's illness was nothing to do with the vaccination.  

 

So now you appear to be pivoting away from your original claim, that the UK patient's illness had "nothing to do" with his receiving the vaccine.  A claim that, thus far, you've provided absolutely zero proof/evidence of....

[steelepulse]

9 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

So now you appear to be pivoting away from your original claim, that the UK patient's illness had "nothing to do" with his receiving the vaccine.  A claim that, thus far, you've provided absolutely zero proof/evidence of....

Nothing to see here.  Just spinal cord issues, not a big deal................................